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Capilarean posted:That's the other thing, I don't remember any of the games even suggesting that Vault-Tec has any post-war presence in the US. I think the show tries to explain this by having them effectively dormant until the events surrounding the show. That'd at least explain why it hasn't been in the games. I'd also be willing to bet that the presumed bigger-bad we see silhouetted is someone from the Enclave.
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I imagine they may expand on the Enclave in future seasons, but I'm guessing the main reason they were used here was because for the plot they needed a technologically adept faction that wasn't affiliated with the BOS and would have a reason to be in possession of pre-war technology. As to how they got the cold fusion tech, I'm guessing they dug it out of some archive. Vault-Tec never really did anything with it as far as we know, they'd just bought it to put it on ice.
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There's a backwards time leap in the flashbacks between episode 1 and 7, it's possible that Moldaver finished the fusion tictac for her vault-tec acquired company, right? I feel like she said they cancelled it but obviously that didn't happen.
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I'm curious how far Vault-Tec is going to go as far as being an overarching villain of the show. What Bud and Barb proposed seemed like a case of pitting the various corporations against each other for competition, but also the various Vaults. And we know that a lot of Vault experiments ended in complete disaster without much in the way of communication with other Vaults. I wonder if Hank is aware of the fate of the other Vaults, then, or if the show plans on revealing that Vault-Tec has some master overseer that is monitoring all of the Vaults from some central location.
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Capilarean posted:That's the other thing, I don't remember any of the games even suggesting that Vault-Tec has any post-war presence in the US. Not true remotely Vault-Tec owned A LOT of things, and did A LOT of shady/ heinous poo poo. There have been other Pre-War individuals orgs that have come out of the waste's shadows and revealed their plans are still very much in motion. Remember the entire point of the Vaults in the first place was that Vault-Tec was trying to create the perfect group of humans loyal to them to reclaim the wastes. It's not outlandish at all to suggest as"Reclamation Day" gets closer the remaining management of Vault Tec locked away are becoming jealous of their competition that rebuilt without them. I think the biggest interesting change to Vault-Tec overtime is that for how rational and pragmatic they claim they are, they have become a cult onto themselves, the culture of perfect Vault living guided by the hand of Capital/ Management. That poo poo is really interesting and exciting to discuss. Vault-Tec has always been portrayed as a nefarious, sinister company. The games have never been shy about showing how hosed up the thoughts and actions of its Executive class were. Vault-Tec being revealed to be a possible secret antagonist in all of this for their own selfish reasons is honestly a natural evolution.
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zoux posted:e: oh, what was your guys' favorite joke in the series? When you say hot shower what does that mean exactly?
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Has the series just kind of retconned things so that everyone alive in the wasteland currently isn't from a vault at some point in their descent? Like... Shady Sands was just people from Vault 15.
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Avalerion posted:Has the series just kind of retconned things so that everyone alive in the wasteland currently isn't from a vault at some point in their descent? Like... Shady Sands was just people from Vault 15. That's like a hundred years ago There would definitely still be biases towards current Vault dwellers still, especially if the common thought is that Vaults are nice holes in the ground, and not horrible draconian hellholes/ experiments into loving gross and macabre poo poo Are people biased against immigrants in the US now, despite having been immigrants themselves 100 years ago?
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Avalerion posted:Has the series just kind of retconned things so that everyone alive in the wasteland currently isn't from a vault at some point in their descent? Like... Shady Sands was just people from Vault 15. New Vegas shows that there are areas of the world that didn't get hit by nukes and people do immigrate/emigrate around. People would naturally be drawn to an area that is offering safety and stability like the NCR.
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Cojawfee posted:If he didn't have an actual education, he might not know much about the original bomb dropping or that they even happened. I agree, I just thought it was a nice little piece of good writing. Like it was a very small line but it caught me off guard but payed off later
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The other consideration here is that that particular area went from a place that was probably fairly secure by the NCR, to a bombed out hellhole where civilization collapsed, AGAIN, in living memory. To say that depressed/ broke people might be an understatement
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TulliusCicero posted:Are people biased against immigrants in the US now, despite having been immigrants themselves 100 years ago? The American immigration experience is climbing up the ladder and then pulling it up behind you.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:When you say hot shower what does that mean exactly? And then the way he takes the hot shower, hunched over, seemingly torn between the uncomfortableness of being drenched with the pleasure of, well, a hot shower. TulliusCicero posted:Are people biased against immigrants in the US now, despite having been immigrants themselves 100 years ago? Lol there are many current first generation immigrants who are biased against immigrants in the US. People are stupid hypocrites.
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zoux posted:And then the way he takes the hot shower, hunched over, seemingly torn between the uncomfortableness of being drenched with the pleasure of, well, a hot shower. I know, that was my point
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Capilarean posted:One thing that's bugging me that hasn't really been mentioned: What's the deal with The Enclave? I just think of them as gladio cells.
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dr_rat posted:Fallout 4 has at least the guy who door knocks you to sign up for the vault, the fridge kid, and I think his two parents. arlen glass, the comic book addled radio guy.
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thebardyspoon posted:I enjoyed most of the individual scenes of this show but the larger plot utterly falls apart if you think about it for a second. So Moldaver is implied to have been in love with Rose, Lucys mom and also wants to finish off her pre war lifes goal of cold fusion, with the latter presumably being more important than honoring the former. I liked the show a lot, but you make very good points. Capilarean posted:One thing that's bugging me that hasn't really been mentioned: What's the deal with The Enclave? I only ever played a little bit of Fallout 3, and I had no clue what the hell the Enclave's deal was. Weird, oppressive science group is about all I got. Nancy posted:The Enclave has to be included because it's a brand feature Pretty much!
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Lord Hydronium posted:I imagine they may expand on the Enclave in future seasons, but I'm guessing the main reason they were used here was because for the plot they needed a technologically adept faction that wasn't affiliated with the BOS and would have a reason to be in possession of pre-war technology. As to how they got the cold fusion tech, I'm guessing they dug it out of some archive. Vault-Tec never really did anything with it as far as we know, they'd just bought it to put it on ice. It seems like the Enclave is also descended from Vault-Tec in the show. In the game, I thought they're somehow connected to Vaul-Tec but it's never exactly nailed down?
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In the games the Enclave are basically "what if the deep state was real?"
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UnknownMercenary posted:In the games the Enclave are basically "what if the deep state was real?" Who i— what th— I'm gonna kick your loving rear end, who is this!
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Arc Hammer posted:Who i— what th— I'm gonna kick your loving rear end, who is this! If this isn't in the show word-for-word, I'm gonna be upset. I think the Fallout canon should include the fact that this season of this show is really good.
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I think that any power armor that appears in the Mojave should be the T51B, the objectively superior suit. I liked how this show confirmed that the T60 model is just an upgraded T45 complete with all the same lovely faults of the original suit.
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that had been the case since fallout 76.
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Arc Hammer posted:I think that any power armor that appears in the Mojave should be the T51B, the objectively superior suit. Hey, speaking of those faults, if The Ghoul knew about the chest plate fault, and could exploit it so easily, why didn't he waste Maximus easily in Philly, and was just firing like crazy against him? I know the answer is "main character syndrome", but still. edit: Maybe he had different bullets in his gun at the time that couldn't pierce that spot. He clearly has different kinds of rounds. Never mind, good enough for me.
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I think he could tell Maximus wasn't skilled with the suit, so he wanted to toy with him. He knew the knights at the end were dangerous, so he used the exploit.
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thrawn527 posted:Hey, speaking of those faults, if The Ghoul knew about the chest plate fault, and could exploit it so easily, why didn't he waste Maximus easily in Philly, and was just firing like crazy against him? I parsed this as Cooper not wanting to/not having much reason to kill Maximus at that point. He toyed with him a bit, but still didn't majorly harm him even after he incapacitated him with the hose deal. e: yeah that ^
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thrawn527 posted:Hey, speaking of those faults, if The Ghoul knew about the chest plate fault, and could exploit it so easily, why didn't he waste Maximus easily in Philly, and was just firing like crazy against him? Yeah in that later scene he purposefully shows off special penetrator rounds that are different from his usual explosive ones he had loaded in the earlier gunfight. I thought it was a nice touch. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Sharkopath posted:Yeah in that later scene he purposefully shows off special penetrator rounds that are different from his usual explosive ones he had loaded in the earlier gunfight. Yeah, I thought of that a moment after I posted. But what the other posters said is also true.
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tadashi posted:It seems like the Enclave is also descended from Vault-Tec in the show. In the game, I thought they're somehow connected to Vaul-Tec but it's never exactly nailed down? This is a Fallout 2 spoiler, but just in case Enclave is what remains of the US Government and the big bad of that game. They got an offshore base and even better then than the BoS. In that particular game, they are the instigators of the Vault-tec experiments and their plan is to wipe out all the surface dwellers and enslave all the vault dwellers. Hence me thinking Vault Tec and Enclave got switched around in the series.
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It's been a long time since I played Fallout 2, but from what I can remember, it was really just the military industrial complex that were the bad guys. Vault-Tec, various elements of the government, particularly the intelligence agencies, several other companies, were all so intertwined that they might as well have just been one entity. I have no idea how anyone could dream up such an unrealistic concept, something like that could never happen for real! They built the vaults to be social experiments, and then built a tricked out Oil Rig in the middle of the ocean. It did technically pump petroleum up from the last known deposit in the deep pacific, but it also had everything they'd need, heavy industrial facilities, science labs, etc. The Enclave can trace their roots back, in an unbroken line, to the actual US Government. You blow up their oil rig in Fallout 2, and because the faction is recognizable, they magically cross the country to be badguys again in Fallout 3, where they are once again destroyed. They're still around in the show because it's a thing people recognize.
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Also, Frank Horrigan. E: I knew I was misremembering the name.
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I think the most incredible thing about this show, and something I have not seen in other adapted media, is how real and "FALLOUT" everything was at the same time When Lucy is interacting with people, you can see her moral choices and compass playing out, as she's challenged constantly by what the wastes throw at her. Her philosophical conflicts with Cooper in particular feel straight out of the games. The characters and their tensions and issues and arguments, feel so real. I forgot I was watching actors on a screen, and just became fully immersed, similar to New Vegas role-playing. It's really an incredibly well made show technically and human character writing wise, and gets constantly at the core parts of Fallout's ethos. Can't gush about this show enough. Best Fallout content since New Vegas, inspired me to write again tbh TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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I figured out who Maximus reminds me of. A cooler version of Eddie Murphy’s nerd character from Bowfinger.
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Enderzero posted:I figured out who Maximus reminds me of. A cooler version of Eddie Murphy’s nerd character from Bowfinger. He's a WAY better and fully realized version of Finn from Star Wars Child soldier, PTSD, thinks his side is the good guys because that's all he knows It's why the real person comes out in his time in the wastes, and particularly with Lucy I grew to really like him by the end, he becomes the Knight he wanted to be, and then realizes these assholes around him aren't even what he wants. Him and Lucy's relationship is so wholesome TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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TulliusCicero posted:He's a WAY better and fully realized version of Finn from Star Wars Well put. I was mostly thinking of vocal inflections and his naivety, but yeah.
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Fallout fans are annoying and there is no mistreatment they do not deserve.
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Chillmatic posted:Fallout fans are annoying and there is no mistreatment they do not deserve.
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Arc Hammer posted:I think that any power armor that appears in the Mojave should be the T51B, the objectively superior suit. I desperately need to see a real T-51b, and then I need them to give it to me.
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Wanna make my cock explode?
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Grand Fromage posted:I desperately need to see a real T-51b, and then I need them to give it to me. Yeah, some actual Paladins stomping around would be dope. Gray haired motherfuckers in t-51b just styling on fools
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