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"philosophy" "specialized education" bwha? ofc at a certain level you need a special keyboard for symbols to just talk about poo poo, just to consider or think about anything that's not a toy example, ex: ∀y∈Y, ∃!x ∈ X such that y = f(x) For every function f, let X be a subset of the domain and Y a subset of the codomain. One has always X ⊆ f−1(f(X)) and f(f−1(Y)) ⊆ Y, where f(X) is the image of X and f−1(Y) is the preimage of Y under f. If f is injective, then X = f−1(f(X)), and if f is surjective, then f(f−1(Y)) = Y. For every function h : X → Y, one can define a surjection H : X → h(X) : x → h(x) and an injection I : h(X) → Y : y → y. It follows that h = I ∘ H. This decomposition as the composition of a surjection and an injection is unique up to an isomorphism, in the sense that, given such a decomposition, there is a unique bijection φ : h(X) → H(X) such that H(x) = φ(h(x)) and I(φ(h(x))) = h(x) for every x ∈ X.  lol they have played us for fools! As an aside i think there's no reason this couldn't be standard knowledge at highschool level or something except the building a society without it is on purpose.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:03
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I guess for the sake of conversation I'd like to hear someone make the case for how these could be foreign drones and why the US would be reacting the way it is. This is a Russian tank in Ukraine with EW equipment haphazardly strapped to the top and it's good enough to stop any drones in the area by knocking out their communication. Anybody telling me the US military doesn't have the ability to easily knock out human made drones over it's most secure airspace is blowing smoke up my rear end.  Like I could maybe see them not want to shoot something down with missiles over that area, but there are lots of capabilities the military currently has that can handle the problem. Additionally, if they were human in origin they would pretty easily be able to track down their origin point considering it wasn't a single flyby and happened repeatedly for a month.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:14
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SniperWoreConverse posted:there's no reason this couldn't be standard knowledge at highschool level or something except the building a society without it is on purpose. ding ding ding
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Apr 18, 2024 15:16
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math and philosophy suck
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Apr 18, 2024 15:20
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math and philosophy are just doing their best 
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Apr 18, 2024 15:29
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[To develop the ideal religion] the first of these critical movements is mystical. This mystical movement means that one is not satisfied with any of the concrete expressions of the Ultimate, of the Holy. One goes beyond them. Man goes to the one beyond any manifoldness. The Holy as the Ultimate lies beyond any of its embodiments. The embodiments are justified. They are accepted but they are secondary. One must go beyond them in order to reach the highest, the Ultimate itself. The particular is denied for the Ultimate One.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:32
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Carp posted:Physics is hungry for magic. When we quantized the atom, we affixed physics into math. Math became not just the language of physics, it became the rigid foundation of physics. Math is not inspiration, it is communication, it is descriptive. The ideas are described by math; we should not look for narratives to fit the math. We do now, we did then so we could progress at a critical time, but now, we need magic. One idea I play with lately is that scientific materialism cannot properly interpret the quantum measurement problem for the same reason it cannot include consciousness, that really these are the same problem. It's okay, I am allowed to think heretical thoughts like this, I left the field.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:37
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they have been thinking that forever. Bohr thought that. I think Feynman said it too
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Apr 18, 2024 15:38
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im_sorry posted:About 20 years ago, we fostered a quaker who had plucked his chest bald. To this day, fully feathered quakers look weird.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:39
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you don’t need to interpret QM tho I think. it still all works just by describing it
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Apr 18, 2024 15:40
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euphronius posted:they have been thinking that forever. Bohr thought that. I think Feynman said it too Feynman said "shut up and calculate!" and that has become the refrain
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Apr 18, 2024 15:44
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euphronius posted:they have been thinking that forever. Bohr thought that. I think Feynman said it too Von Neumann was the dude who really pushed this angle early on, iirc
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Apr 18, 2024 15:52
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D-Pad posted:This is a Russian tank in Ukraine with EW equipment haphazardly strapped to the top and it's good enough to stop any drones in the area by knocking out their communication. Anybody telling me the US military doesn't have the ability to easily knock out human made drones over it's most secure airspace is blowing smoke up my rear end. What about China though? And aren't we currently getting our asses kicked by Houthi drones? I'm not disagreeing, but you wanted conversation lol I'm so far of the opinion that they are more anomalous than simple drones (if they are manmade drones then they are either of a caliber that hasn't been made public or our military is more incompetent that I realized), but I am curious to know how we can rule out the mundane explanations.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:03
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i can also imagine that the military may not think that the drones are anything besides a nuisance at the moment (versus actually stealing secrets or whatever) and don't necessarily want to show off all the countermeasures (and/or don't want to deploy them in a comparatively heavily populated area). i'd want to see more proof of this anomalous behaviour before i'd think they were anything but standard drones
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Apr 18, 2024 16:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5nYjZk7FkQ
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Apr 18, 2024 16:17
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mediaphage posted:i can also imagine that the military may not think that the drones are anything besides a nuisance at the moment (versus actually stealing secrets or whatever) and don't necessarily want to show off all the countermeasures (and/or don't want to deploy them in a comparatively heavily populated area). They look incredibly weak letting these things fly over our domestic bases though, and they're apparently moving equipment around to avoid them. But like you say it may be strategically even worse to reveal countermeasures, like everyone is saying for the current Iran/Israel situation.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:18
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D-Pad posted:This is a Russian tank in Ukraine with EW equipment haphazardly strapped to the top and it's good enough to stop any drones in the area by knocking out their communication. Anybody telling me the US military doesn't have the ability to easily knock out human made drones over it's most secure airspace is blowing smoke up my rear end. if it’s a state actor committing fancy new drones to loiter over sensitive facilities there’s no way they’d send in something that lands when it’s jammed re: looking weak good I’m glad they’re choosing to look weak for once instead of flying off the goddamned handle over something relatively minor WEH has issued a correction as of 16:22 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 16:19
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The Saucer Hovers posted:math and philosophy suck i love that our layer of reality is so shoddy its literally is full of holes
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Apr 18, 2024 16:28
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Fitzy Fitz posted:What about China though? And aren't we currently getting our asses kicked by Houthi drones? I'm not disagreeing, but you wanted conversation lol Not sure what you mean by "what about China". China doesn't have drones immune to every form of countermeasure. Being able to counter EW would require way more power than anything but the largest drones could carry and that type of drone would require major infrastructure to launch that would be easy to detect. It's not like China has a destroyer parked off our coast without us knowing or built an airbase down the road from DC. There are other anti-drone systems besides EW as well. The Houthi drones aren't kicking our asses in a way applicable to this situation. 95% of them are being shot down, they are also not the type of drones that would loiter over a base and are more akin to a guided missile. The ones that are occasionally getting through are either because they are out of range of any ships/planes in the area or part of a very large group and one manages to get through. They are kicking our rear end in the sense we are using $3 million missiles to shoot down $20k drones and having to deploy multiple ships to cover the area that cost millions a day to operate. We are also destroying their launch sites every time they pop up because it isn't hard for the military to track where drones are launched from! As far as a mundane explanation being ruled out let's do a thought experiment. You are China and against all good sense decide you want to carry out a mission on the other side of the world in some of the most secure airspace in the world. You want to use multiple different sizes/configurations of drones and you want to use them to loiter right over an airbase that has America's most advanced fighters repeatedly over a month. Absolute stealth is required to not get caught, any hint you are behind it will set off an international incident and could be considered an act of war. How many people would be required for that? Launching, operating, recovering, maintenance, intel, support staff, etc would all be required. If you want to be land based how do you get all that into the US and hide it? If you want ship launched how do you not get detected being right outside of one of the biggest naval bases on the east coast? Sure, the US military could be caught with their pants down at first, but you are giving them a whole month to get their poo poo together. They even bring in a specialty plane from NASA, how do you hide from that? If China wanted to fly a single drone over the base once it would still be risky, but they could probably pull it off, but repeatedly over a month? Just not happening imo. mediaphage posted:i can also imagine that the military may not think that the drones are anything besides a nuisance at the moment (versus actually stealing secrets or whatever) and don't necessarily want to show off all the countermeasures (and/or don't want to deploy them in a comparatively heavily populated area). I don't buy the line of reasoning that the military just saw them as a nuisance. They had to relocate an entire fighter wing, the wing that protects the capital airspace and is on alert 24/7. That costs major money and degrades their response ability. If you think this wouldn't kick the hornets nest in a big way you are crazy. And again, if they were standard drones, they would have been stopped easily. Even if they didn't want to shoot them down they can use non-lethal countermeasures and even if they didn't want to do that they could easily track their origin point and would absolutely do something about a nest of Chinese spies/military conducting military operations on American soil with impunity.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:34
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vnv nation slaps, they did an orchestral remix of that song iirc that, unsurprisingly, also slaps
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Apr 18, 2024 16:44
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Al! posted:i love that our layer of reality is so shoddy its literally is full of holes  I spent some time meditating on a couple Zen/Zen-like koans recently (as presented in my trusty battered copy of the Little Zen Companion of course). One of which I believe I've posted before, but I believe they relate to questions like this. Hasan Basri posted:Another time I saw a child coming toward me holding a lighted torch in his hand. "Where have you brought the light from?" I asked him. He immediately blew it out, and said to me, "O Hasan, tell me where it is gone, and I will tell you whence I fetched it." Bertolt Brecht posted:What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
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Apr 18, 2024 16:46
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Barry Foster posted:Von Neumann was the dude who really pushed this angle early on, iirc Ty I think I confused him with Feynman
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Apr 18, 2024 16:50
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Apparently that shitbird Greenewald got fed a bunch of documents from AARO about Grusch, some particularly weird stuff in there, e.g. that Grusch at one point was actually scheduled to meet with Kirkpatrick but ghosted him at the meeting. This seems like a prelude to something. https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/foia-documents-reveal-aaros-authorized-and-repeated-attempts-to-engage-with-david-grusch/ Perhaps more importantly there are texts between Melon and Kirkpatrick that are catty as hell but also show Grusch is 100% part of Lue crew
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Apr 18, 2024 17:00
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The closest comparison I guess is the Chinese balloon, which we openly obliterated. And the Chinese owned up to it immediately and apologetically (not sincerely I'm sure). But it went through the expected theatrics. None of this fits my understanding of how this would play out if it were a foreign operation. It's not like there's no precedent for UFOs monitoring military bases. And we've had major, visible flaps over important places before. I forget the characteristics of the DC flap, but that might be worth looking at for comparison.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:00
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actually the Mellon texts make it kinda clear he also thinks AARO was a catch and kill program, and that the IC IG and DOJ are running counter to them by not sharing the stuff Grusch submitted to them
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Apr 18, 2024 17:03
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Tapping out on the mathmatical images for now. Posted before, maybe in this thread, but I once had a computer with all those mystery symbols on it, and periodically I get a hair up my rear end and try to figure out what the deal was supposed to be with that thing and how all that poo poo was supposed to work. I don't have a book on it or anything, but apparently a bijective function is invertible so idk like multiply and divide by the same amount would get you back to the same location. But then it goes on to say this composition of two bijections is also a bijection, but this means the first function must be injective, and the second surjective. (Obviously  ) I can almost feel old brain circuits trying to wake up and am arbitrarily guessing this is somehow related to how you can have /0 problems in arithmetic or something, like you can try to "uninsert" when that's not possible, or create information from nothing, or there is just some in-general relationship where you can use this mumbo jumbo to analyze the normal intuitive math rules we all had to learn. Which even then wasn't very intuitive now that I think about it. I had to drill it until it became intuitive. There isn't much that's "naturally" logical or "naturally" anything about humans, imo. Some basics maybe. I'm gonna have to just accept I'm gonna be mystified on this, and in the meantime get better at time budgeting. I only spent an hour on this but if I end up going down a rabbit hole now then I won't get anything else I want to do actually done. One thing I do like about it is that all the explanatory diagrams and stuff at first glance look highly suspicious and almost occult, lol gonna go ahead and keep that in the notes if I ever get around to making some of these projects.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:18
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Apparently that shitbird Greenewald got fed a bunch of documents from AARO about Grusch, some particularly weird stuff in there, e.g. that Grusch at one point was actually scheduled to meet with Kirkpatrick but ghosted him at the meeting. so June 8 2023 is the first date cited here, which is 3 days after The Debrief published the article that introduced Big Dave to the world, which is the same day Coulthart interviewed him iirc Grusch said he tried to contact AARO several times before going public and was never acknowledged. looks like AARO only started paying attention after he went public lol what nonsense.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:44
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I love VNV Nation too. I was just jamming to this while meditating, then looking at Hades 2 art. I had a great time with the original game, and I am really hype for 2 based on what I've seen of it. Listening to this particular song then seeing this Selene excerpt really hit: 
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Apr 18, 2024 17:46
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i believe that there are both ufos and an unbelievable amount of trash in the upper atmosphere, and if forced to pick one the government will ultimately pick ufos to cover up the sky trash rather than vice versa so i will never trust "disclosure"
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Apr 18, 2024 17:47
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Al! posted:i believe that there are both ufos and an unbelievable amount of trash in the upper atmosphere, and if forced to pick one the government will ultimately pick ufos to cover up the sky trash rather than vice versa so i will never trust "disclosure" the UFOs put the trash there. they're space hooligans throwing beer cans out the window while they knock over our mailboxes
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Apr 18, 2024 17:49
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Barry Foster posted:Von Neumann was the dude who really pushed this angle early on, iirc I think he rejected it because it seems to lead to solipsism in the Wigner's friend experiment (but perhaps not if you believe all minds are one... At least that was my conclusion the last time I tried to think on the subject)
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Apr 18, 2024 17:55
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hell, wheeler thought there was just one electron. haha why not
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Apr 18, 2024 17:56
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there is only one electron
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Apr 18, 2024 17:57
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my bony fealty posted:so June 8 2023 is the first date cited here, which is 3 days after The Debrief published the article that introduced Big Dave to the world, which is the same day Coulthart interviewed him Honestly I don't blame Grusch for ghosting them anyway. They are very obviously a catch and kill operation and that would be obvious to him being a career intelligence guy. He gave his testimony under oath to the IG, it might be different if he had only gone public and refused to talk to anybody at all.
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Apr 18, 2024 18:01
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In those Mellon-Kirkpatrick texts, Mellon says Grusch was reluctant to talk to AARO in part because he didn't know if Kirkpatrick was a target of the criminal investigation.
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Apr 18, 2024 18:09
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It would be very appropriate for Kirkpatrick to be one of the people who threatened Grusch with reprisal in a former role before becoming the AARO head would explain the "bad blood" too
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Apr 18, 2024 18:10
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euphronius posted:there is only one electron it is also the positron
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Apr 18, 2024 18:11
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wait a minute, if antimatter has normal gravity, then how can it have true time reversal?
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Apr 18, 2024 18:14
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captainbananas posted:hell, wheeler thought there was just one electron. haha why not of all the cool and true things in this thread, this is definitely truest
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Kirkpatrick is the sorta guy who would smirk and say "nothing personal" right before he did something extremely lovely and personal to you
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