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I very much enjoyed the murderers going to a different house and suffering a huge reversal of fate.
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Hey listen I didn't watch the rest of the movie and don't know what's going on in this scene but I'm gonna say it just ain't good!
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Apr 18, 2024 20:32
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I didn't say the rest of the movie isn't good. At any point. That would be ridiculous. I said I didn't like the tone and execution of that one scene and therefore it turned me off to the rest of it.
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Apr 18, 2024 20:35
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:he hasn't made anything outright terrible but he also hasn't made anything that was holy-poo poo-great since Inglorious Basterds Correct.
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Nah, that was the scene I was complaining about too. Part of the problem is the sound design: one of the Manson women gets injured right at the beginning of the scene, and she spends the next five minutes shrieking her head off, which is just physically unpleasant to listen to. The Manson killers are also not very satisfying as victims of hyper violence; unlike nazis or southern slaveowners, it's a lot easier to see them as brainwashed cult members (and thus not really culpable). The nazis and slave owners in their respective movies were also legitimate, serious threats to their protagonists, and in both cases they had scenes where the protagonists were captured and helpless before the tables got turned. Brad Pitt, in contrast, doesn't know who the Manson family is and he just kind of demolishes them without a second thought
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Apr 18, 2024 20:38
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I guess someone that's supposed to be a Charles Manson copycat? It was a crazy bearded dude and two crazy women attacking Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt at their house and it had some of the worst slapstick violence I've ever seen. Absolute weird. It’s one of the funniest most cathartic scene I’ve seen in years. And it’s not Charles Manson. This is where I’d say reading true crime poo poo actually is valuable because while we cannot change the past we can fictionally cathartically murder the people who did this terrible thing and laugh at their misery and pain. Like seeing Hitler’s face explode. It’s wonderful
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Apr 18, 2024 20:40
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Hot take, gently caress the Manson family
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I didn't say the rest of the movie isn't good. At any point. That would be ridiculous. I said I didn't like the tone and execution of that one scene and therefore it turned me off to the rest of it. I mean alright I hate on scenes where I have no context for as well so just joshing. But Ill just say its a buildup from the movie as whole.
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I enjoyed Hateful Eight but it also just made me want to watch The Thing again.
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Aglet56 posted:Nah, that was the scene I was complaining about too. Part of the problem is the sound design: one of the Manson women gets injured right at the beginning of the scene, and she spends the next five minutes shrieking her head off, which is just physically unpleasant to listen to. The Manson killers are also not very satisfying as victims of hyper violence; unlike nazis or southern slaveowners, it's a lot easier to see them as brainwashed cult members (and thus not really culpable). The nazis and slave owners in their respective movies were also legitimate, serious threats to their protagonists, and in both cases they had scenes where the protagonists were captured and helpless before the tables got turned. Brad Pitt, in contrast, doesn't know who the Manson family is and he just kind of demolishes them without a second thought He had a whole encounter with the Manson family and remembers Tex.
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live with fruit posted:He had a whole encounter with the Manson family and remembers Tex. Sure but they're clearly no threat to him. Contrast with, like, Django, where Django has a strong motivation to hate the slaveowners, and there's a middle act where they almost capture and torture him before he escapes. An underdog story is a lot more engaging than "some psychos run into Godzilla and get instantly squished"
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Aglet56 posted:Sure but they're clearly no threat to him. Contrast with, like, Django, where Django has a strong motivation to hate the slaveowners, and there's a middle act where they almost capture and torture him before he escapes. An underdog story is a lot more engaging than "some psychos run into Godzilla and get instantly squished" Hollywood isn't an action movie like Django. Given what the Manson family actually did in real life, there's enough implied threat.
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live with fruit posted:He had a whole encounter with the Manson family and remembers Tex. It’s all pretty well spelled out too. quote:Cliff Booth : [to the Manson Family] Oh... wait a minute. I know you. I know all three of you! Yeah, Spahn Ranch! Spahn Ranch, yeah! Woo!
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Aglet56 posted:Sure but they're clearly no threat to him. Contrast with, like, Django, where Django has a strong motivation to hate the slaveowners, and there's a middle act where they almost capture and torture him before he escapes. An underdog story is a lot more engaging than "some psychos run into Godzilla and get instantly squished" They showed up to Dalton’s house to murder them all. It’s self defense. What should he have done say nah I’m not gonna fight you, you’re just poor brainwashed kids. I think you should come to your senses Lmao
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Apr 18, 2024 20:52
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They're no threat to the Men's Adventure guy who beat the poo poo out of Bruce Lee and is hanging with the trained attack dog. They are very much a threat to Sharon Tate and her manlet friends. That's kind of the point.
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Casimir Radon posted:It’s all pretty well spelled out too. Lol that Tex said the line Manson was famous for. Really do feel like Helter Skelter is a good prequel. And this movie is about I don't know Cliff Booth's dog going back in time to save Sharon Tate E: oh poo poo Tex actually said that to one of his victims
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Apr 18, 2024 21:12
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i guess if you have no idea who the Manson family was or what they did i can see how you might be frustrated at the climax of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
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I think Zodiac could have been even better if a hammered Leonardo Dicaprio and a hosed up Brad Pitt accidentally flame broiled him
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Me walking out of theatre after watching once upon a time in hollywod: “what a weird night stalker movie.”
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Have people not figured out that Tarantino is an exploitation film director yet? His whole deal is making actual Hollywood movies that are bigger budget exploitation films that aren't quite as gross (with some exceptions like Pulp Fiction).
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FlamingLiberal posted:Have people not figured out that Tarantino is an exploitation film director yet? His whole deal is making actual Hollywood movies that are bigger budget exploitation films that aren't quite as gross (with some exceptions like Pulp Fiction). Makes you wonder what historical villain was going to die at the end of The Film Critic.
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live with fruit posted:Makes you wonder what historical villain was going to die at the end of The Film Critic.
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live with fruit posted:Makes you wonder what historical villain was going to die at the end of The Film Critic. "I give this two thumbs....off!"
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean obviously Roger Ebert Didn't Godzilla '96 beat him to it
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feedmyleg posted:Didn't Godzilla '96 beat him to it Godzilla '98. And no, and they even made fun of the movie for including them as characters and not have them get eaten.
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Shageletic posted:Hey listen I didn't watch the rest of the movie and don't know what's going on in this scene but I'm gonna say it just ain't good!
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To commiserate a little on opinions that aren't necessarily built on solid bedrock, I once complained on these forums that It Follows seemed pretty dumb after my room mate had it on in the living room while I was playing a PC game. On the one hand I was rightly ridiculed; on the other hand I still don't like it  it's like the ring but about teenagers loving and the impending doom is a physically manifesting but invisible force constantly approaching you at a walking speed?? Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i guess if you have no idea who the Manson family was or what they did i can see how you might be frustrated at the climax of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Yeah, genuinely it's a fair point that if you don't know anything about the murders or the Manson family then you aren't going to get much out of it. Something that his other movies don't suffer from. I think Tarantino said the same thing in some interview. It's just a "But what if it was a movie?" ending so if you've got no investment in the meta story it's not going to hit. Also it goes both ways that it's less embarrassing/"cringe" if you know that Tex and the rest of the family was supposedly that dumb/edge lordy and really did the "I'm the Devil, and I'm here to do the devil's work" line. Overall it felt fine. Too long and forgettable but not something I regret seeing. I read somewhere that there was an original ending that was about him teaming up with Bruce Lee to do a rescue at the Ranch, which sounded way better and would have had a cooler payoff. So even if it was bullshit it hurt it in my mind. Baron von Eevl posted:I liked that OUaTi...H had a Chekhov's Flamethrower I remember the climactic scene better because when I saw it, right as she's getting flamed in the pool some old woman behind me timidly and very sincerely asked her friends "That isn't how it happened....right?" Which made it much better.
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Oh yeah and Tarantino just throwing shade at Polanski by having Booth being an absolute creep and still being like "having sex with a minor? No thanks, I'm not that loving gross"
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FlamingLiberal posted:Have people not figured out that Tarantino is an exploitation film director yet? His whole deal is making actual Hollywood movies that are bigger budget exploitation films that aren't quite as gross (with some exceptions like Pulp Fiction). he exploited me by not showing up to the screening appearance of True Romance because he had to go home and write (regard some feet pictures and jack off)
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Baron von Eevl posted:Oh yeah and Tarantino just throwing shade at Polanski by having Booth being an absolute creep and still being like "having sex with a minor? No thanks, I'm not that loving gross" Seemed like mostly he just didn't want to go to jail (which he must have been pretty paranoid to even worry about, considering)
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It’s not the only shade thrown at Polanski. There’s also Steve McQueen explaining the backstory to Connie Stevens.quote:Jay loves Sharon. That's what's up. And he knows, as sure as God made little green apples, that one of these days that Polish prick's gonna gently caress things up and when he does, Jay's gonna be there.
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CelticPredator posted:Hot take, gently caress the Manson family Yeah I got annoyed when people were calling that movie reactionary because they were killing “hippies,” like I know that I know probably too much about this stuff but have a little bit of cultural context if you want to have an opinion. At least if you want to have that kind of an opinion anyway.
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who tf is saying that lmao
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Alan Smithee posted:who tf is saying that lmao Aglet56 posted:The Manson killers are also not very satisfying as victims of hyper violence; unlike nazis or southern slaveowners, it's a lot easier to see them as brainwashed cult members (and thus not really culpable). The nazis and slave owners in their respective movies were also legitimate, serious threats to their protagonists, and in both cases they had scenes where the protagonists were captured and helpless before the tables got turned. Brad Pitt, in contrast, doesn't know who the Manson family is and he just kind of demolishes them without a second thought Narrator: they were in fact culpable
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The Manson family were just following orders, your honor.
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Imagining watching Inglorious Basterds without knowing who this Hitler person is
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Pirate Jet posted:The Manson family were just following orders, your honor. They were there to do the devils business thos’t wished to live deliciously
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mycot posted:Imagining watching Inglorious Basterds without knowing who this Hitler person is Hey, I don't watch reality tv, I don't know the names of all these c-list celebrities now days.
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