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Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

"Israeli attack on nuclear sites to prompt tit-for-tat, pursuing nukes: Iran posted:

Iran warns Israel that if it goes ahead with a retaliation for last week�s attack, Tehran will respond in kind and also pursue a nuclear weapon.

A technician works in the control room at the uranium conversion facility in Isfahan [File: Caren Firouz/Reuters]
By Maziar Motamedi
Published On 18 Apr 202418 Apr 2024

Tehran, Iran � Iran�s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has warned that it would attack Israel�s nuclear sites and may pursue a nuclear weapon if the country strikes at Iran�s nuclear facilities.

The development came on Thursday, after Israeli officials promised a response to Iran�s unprecedented attacks on Israel last week, which were a retaliation for the Israeli military�s suspected targeting of Tehran�s consulate in Syria.

�The nuclear facilities of the Zionist enemy have been identified and all the necessary information from all targets is at our disposal,� the IRGC�s Brigadier General Ahmad Haghtalab was quoted as saying by Iran�s semiofficial Tasnim news website.

�Our fingers are on the trigger of firing strong missiles to destroy the designated targets in response to a potential attack by them,� said the commander of the IRGC division that is tasked with protecting Iranian nuclear facilities.

Haghtalab also gave what is Iran�s highest-level and most direct warning yet that it may abandon its stated policy of refraining from building a nuclear bomb.

�If the fake Zionist regime wants to use the threat of attacking the nuclear centres of our country as a tool, reconsidering the doctrine and policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and deviating from previously stated considerations would be likely and imaginable,� he said.

A view of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility 250km (155 miles) south of Tehran [File: Raheb Homavandi/Reuters]

Iran�s top nuclear facilities, especially the installations at Natanz in central Isfahan, have been subject to multiple significant sabotage attacks blamed on Israel amid a shadow war in more than a decade that also saw several Iranian nuclear scientists assassinated.

But Israel has never directly attacked Iranian soil, let alone its nuclear facilities.

In March 2022, after several high-profile sabotage attacks and as the IRGC said it foiled yet another attack, the new nuclear security command unit of the elite force was first publicly mentioned.

Iran is currently enriching uranium up to 60 percent, which is a short technical step from the more than 90 percent enrichment required for an atomic bomb.

The country also possesses enough fissile material for several bombs, making it a threshold nuclear state.

But it has yet to start on further steps required to actually build a bomb, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and US intelligence assessments.

Even as Iran�s 2015 nuclear deal with world powers gradually faltered following the 2018 unilateral withdrawal by the United States, Tehran had so far said it had no plans to pursue a nuclear weapon.

The warning on Thursday comes as top Iranian political and military leaders have promised a quick and strong response if Israel decides to attack.

Hassan Abedini, an Iranian state media executive and adviser, on Thursday in a post on X published photos of meeting Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the aerospace chief of the IRGC.

According to him, Hajizadeh said the force refrained from using its main ballistic missiles during last week�s attack, including the Khorramshahr, Sajil, Haj Qassem, Kheibar Shekan-2, and the Fattah family of hypersonic missiles.

The IRGC used �minimum capability� and is ready for another significant attack, he was quoted as saying, likely in response to claims by US military officials that Iran depleted a considerable portion of its long-range ballistic missile arsenal.

Israeli missiles hit site in Iran, explosions heard in Isfahan: Report posted:

ABC News reports missiles striking a target in Iran, with Iran�s state TV reporting explosions in Isfahan.

Published On 19 Apr 2024

Israeli missiles have hit a site in Iran, according to the US broadcaster ABC News.

The Iranian state television reported explosions in Isfahan.

Israel had promised to respond after Iran last Saturday launched a barrage of drones and missiles on the country.

The United States and a number of European countries have been calling on Israel not to respond.

More details to come �

Hubbert has issued a correction as of 03:13 on Apr 19, 2024

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# ? May 23, 2024 20:15

D-Pad: Jun 28, 2006

StashAugustine posted:

It's really funny to me that legit the best thing to come out of the Trump administration was the vaccines

It's funny because all they did was waive the usual rules. The real accomplishment was done by those they would identify as the deep state as well as scientists they hate.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 03:15

Proust Malone: Apr 4, 2008

Owlbear Camus posted:

"The USS Ford was lost today with all hands due to a mishap that occurred during routine training."

did it walk down some airplane steps?

# ? Apr 19, 2024 03:17

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Cerebral Bore posted:

the thing is, even assuming that this stuff works perfectly, the submarines you really need to worry about aren't gonna be anywhere near your coasts

rand thinktankers and epic osinters believe that the one weird trick to defeating china off taiwan is to park submarines physically in the taiwan strait and nobody seems to be rebutting them that this is a bad idea publically

# ? Apr 19, 2024 03:32

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/18/politics/chad-us-troops-threat/index.html

quote:

cnn.com
Chad�s government threatens to kick out US troops as Russia expands influence in Africa
Haley Britzky, Oren Liebermann, Natasha Bertrand
6�7 minutes

CNN �

The US risks losing its military presence in another African country as the government of Chad sent a letter threatening to end a critical security agreement, according to four US sources, a move that threatens to cede more US influence in the region to Russia.

In a letter sent to the US defense attach� last week, Chadian officials threatened to cancel the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, which determines the rules and conditions under which US military personnel can operate in the country. While the letter did not directly order the US military to leave Chad, the officials told CNN that it said all US forces would have to leave the French base in N�Djamena.

The letter specifically mentioned the US Special Operations Task Force (SOTF) at the base, an important hub for US Special Operations Forces in the region, two of the sources said. But the task force is not the only contingent of US military personnel at the base, as all US service members in Chad are located in N�Djamena.

Instead, the letter was from the Chief of Air Staff of Chad, Idriss Amine, the intelligence sources said, an unusual way to transfer such a significant message. The letter was typed in French, one of Chad�s official languages, and written on Amine�s official letterhead.

The letter was not sent through official diplomatic channels, according to one of the officials, which is the standard way to handle these issues. The two sources cautioned that letter could be a negotiation tactic by the government of Chad to get a new agreement that better favors their interests.

The exact number of US troops in the country is not clear but one US official said there are fewer than 100 troops there.

CNN has asked Chad�s government for comment.

The move comes just a month after the military government of neighboring Niger ended its agreement with the US military that allowed American personnel to operate in the country.

One of the sources told CNN that the leadership in Chad is following the example set by Niger, attempting to use an opportunity to extract more concessions from the US. But the official said Chad�s threat to terminate the SOFA agreement blindsided US officials.

The move comes at a critical time for US interests in Africa, as American officials have warned that Russian influence is expanding across the continent.

In Niger, a senior airman filed a formal whistleblower complaint, warning that the US ambassador to Niger and the defense attache had �intentionally suppressed intelligence� in an attempt to �maintain a fa�ade of a great country-to-country relationship.�

The complaint alleges that the approximately 1,100 US troops in Niger are being �held hostage� since no new troops can come in to replace those currently deployed. �It is clear that the country of Niger does not want a permanent military presence in their country and they have informed us that we need to leave,� the airman wrote.

The Washington Post first reported on the whistleblower complaint.

In a statement to CNN, Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, head of US Africa Command, said some diplomatic clearances for military flights �have recently been denied or not responded to, which has forced extended deployments in some cases.�

�US Africa Command senior leaders continue to work closely with the State Department and others to ensure US forces deployed to Niger have the support and services they need,� Langley said. A US military official said AFRICOM remains committed to conducting intelligence activities, and that the Defense Department and AFRICOM �are informed daily of the situation on the ground in Niger.�

CNN has reached out to the State Department for comment.

The complaint comes as the Nigerien state broadcaster announced one week ago that Russia had delivered military equipment, including the latest generation of air defense systems, to Niger.

Langley, told the Senate Armed Services Committee in March that Russia is �trying to take over central Africa as well as the Sahel� at an �accelerated pace.�

�(A) number of countries are at the tipping point of actually being captured by the Russian Federation as they are spreading some of their false narratives across Libya and from a strategic answer piece, access and influence across the whole Maghreb,� Langley said. �That is NATO�s southern flank. We need to be able to have � maintain access and influence across the Mahgreb, from Morocco all the way to Libya.�

In a separate hearing with the House Armed Services Committee last month, Langley said Central African countries were �in a dilemma,� needing developmental assistance from countries like Russia and China but balancing those needs against �risks to national sovereignty.�

�In this region, the stakes are high,� Langley said.

Langley visited Chad in January this year alongside AFRICOM�s senior enlisted advisor, Sgt. Maj. Michael Woods. While in the country, Langley met with Chadian military leaders including Gen. Abakar Abdelkerim Daoud, Chad�s Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, according to an AFRICOM press release at the time.

Langley said in the release that AFRICOM �remains dedicated to building enduring partnerships with Chad and other African nations.�

This story has been updated with additional reporting.

CNN�s Jake Tapper contributed reporting.

on an unrelated note chad is rattling the saber to kick out the yankees

# ? Apr 19, 2024 03:37

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

Danann posted:

rand thinktankers and epic osinters believe that the one weird trick to defeating china off taiwan is to park submarines physically in the taiwan strait and nobody seems to be rebutting them that this is a bad idea publically

isn't the Taiwan strait so shallow they could see the submarines from the air?

# ? Apr 19, 2024 03:57

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

jetz0r posted:

Sinking a carrier would cost a lot of money, so people would freak out. Just killing all those sailors without hurting the boat would be no big deal.

I don�t think the US really cares about having the carriers to a degree. The important part is handing out big checks to MIC grifters and a blown up carrier seems like a good excuse to browbeat congress into a few hundred billion in carrier building contracts (carriers will not actually be built deliverable date will be a soft twenty years from now).

The ideal situation is Ukraine and Israel where they can just endlessly spend money on equipment and munitions without any tedious casualty PR to manage (Israel doesn�t make this easy by being so cartoonishly psychotic though), but carriers sinking are just PR situations and not a military disaster.

I don�t think anyone with power actually cares about military capability anymore. As long as the US military has full spectrum dominance of the cultural and funding battle spaces they are winning.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 04:09

dads friend steve: Dec 24, 2004

having one of the main physical embodiments of your military might sunk would absolutely bother people in power lol

# ? Apr 19, 2024 04:22

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Proust Malone posted:

did it walk down some airplane steps?

lmfao

# ? Apr 19, 2024 04:33

BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

StashAugustine posted:

It's really funny to me that legit the best thing to come out of the Trump administration was the vaccines

What about the eviction moratorium?

# ? Apr 19, 2024 04:45

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Gripweed posted:

isn't the Taiwan strait so shallow they could see the submarines from the air?

greatest burger brains think it's not a factor in submarine survivability there

# ? Apr 19, 2024 04:59

DickParasite: Dec 2, 2004; Slippery Tilde

BrotherJayne posted:

What about the eviction moratorium?

Unironically that and the Trump Bucks caused a decrease in suicide rates.

Tbf they were down slightly in 2019, too. I don't know why.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 06:08

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

people were excited for a new half life game.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 10:07

Pidgin Englishman: Apr 30, 2007; If you shoot
you better hit your mark

Speaking of half-life related topics

quote:

I asked Robert McNamara, the secretary of defense during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, what he believed back in the 1960s was the status of technical locks on the Minuteman intercontinental missiles. ... he regarded them as essential to strict central control and preventing unauthorized launch.

...

The Strategic Air Command (SAC) in Omaha quietly decided to set the “locks” to all zeros in order to circumvent this safeguard.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:00

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

How hard is it even to build a nuclear bomb? The technology's been around since the 1940's, it's not like it's some brand new concept. Surprising that more countries don't have them, now I think about it

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:08

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

my understanding is that the technical knowhow and gadgetry required to set off explosives against fissile material in a configuration and with enough precision to trigger a nuclear explosion is fairly well-known and easily achievable given contemporary technology

the tricky part is A. acquiring the fissile material, and B. developing a delivery system for it (i.e. a missile)

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:15

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

enriching uranium is a huge sink of time and resources with no usable product until it all works.

Iran had tech to do low grade enrichment 3-4 years ago, and in the last 2 has started pushing to weapons grade. They probably have enough on hand NOW (the last 6 months) to make 1 or 2 if they used every centrifuge they have for high grade entrichment. They have the enrichment capacity to make one ever 3-4 months from scratch, or furnish their stockpile of existing material into a few bombs worth in a month.

A lot of their enriched material is in gaseous form (Flouride centrifugal process) and needs to be forged into metallics for weapons use. It's not instant, and sitting on it was giving them the grace of god up until now. Amassing it makes you able to do rapid testing once your ready.

Their goal is to save the material till they have the other stuff 100% right, cause a dud that wastes material would set them back months or years if their capacity is diminished by attacks.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:31

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Gripweed posted:

isn't the Taiwan strait so shallow they could see the submarines from the air?

Averages 200 feet deep, and it�s ~100 miles wide at its narrowest point.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:43

Fluffy Bunnies: Jan 10, 2009

it's amazing how literally no one is doing anything to stop this :lol:

fallout tv show like "oops, we fortune tellers". god I hope I'm a thirst trap ghoul.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:52

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Pistol_Pete posted:

How hard is it even to build a nuclear bomb? The technology's been around since the 1940's, it's not like it's some brand new concept. Surprising that more countries don't have them, now I think about it

the general physics is understood, it�s just that obtaining the plutonium is hard, as is rigging up detonators to fire precisely in order to compress the nuclear material to not get a fizzle

# ? Apr 19, 2024 12:16

mycomancy: Oct 16, 2016

So according to this CNBC squawkbox in the hotel I'm in, Israel is currently launching attacks on Iran.

It's beginning to look a lot like WW3 to me!

# ? Apr 19, 2024 12:18

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

US and Philippines will do naval exercise in the SCS

"As part of these much-awaited drills, the forces will sink a target ship, reclaim an island, and sail in waters confronting the South China Sea. However, more interestingly, the ship that has been singled out as a mock target to be sunk by the Allies is a decommissioned Chinese naval tanker."

I see the US is entertaining open a 3rd front?

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:00

Fluffy Bunnies: Jan 10, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:

US and Philippines will do naval exercise in the SCS

"As part of these much-awaited drills, the forces will sink a target ship, reclaim an island, and sail in waters confronting the South China Sea. However, more interestingly, the ship that has been singled out as a mock target to be sunk by the Allies is a decommissioned Chinese naval tanker."

I see the US is entertaining open a 3rd front?

they always do these drills though

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:04

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

the general physics is understood, it�s just that obtaining the plutonium is hard, as is rigging up detonators to fire precisely in order to compress the nuclear material to not get a fizzle

yep, getting concentrations of �weapons grade� isotopes (plutonium is common but other isotopes can be used like isotopes of uranium) is difficult and requires special equipment that the west tries to control access to.

sparking a reaction is easier once you have the material. compression is a method, where an implosion evenly compresses a core of weapons grade material into a small hot mass able to sustain an extreme �super-critical� environment, more neurons produced per fission than was used (quick escalation of fission events, and to us an almost instantaneous big boom), you�ll need an explosive and a �shield� around it to direct the explosive energy inward to the core.

a �gun�-type nuclear weapon design also existed iirc

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:28

Bel Shazar: Sep 14, 2012

mycomancy posted:

It's beginning to look a lot like WW3 to me!

Pretty sure that started in 2014

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:30

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

I saw someone mention the thought that nuclear weapons programs (in America at least) are really just funding scams, and I agree, but that�s par for the course for the MIC

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:30

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

of the USAs nuclear triad, the only one I am pretty sure works is the bombers . but even then I don�t know if the bombs would work

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:32

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Pistol_Pete posted:

How hard is it even to build a nuclear bomb? The technology's been around since the 1940's, it's not like it's some brand new concept. Surprising that more countries don't have them, now I think about it

If I remember right when people were discussinf Oppenhimer, the staff of a mid level technical college could build one with the right resources

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:33

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

there is an interesting and mediocre but entertaining 80s comedy called The Manhattan Project about this very topic, a high school student builds a bomb for the science fair. has John lithgow in it

e: and Cynthia Nixon lol

mags has issued a correction as of 13:37 on Apr 19, 2024

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:34

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

yeah a classic atom bomb itself is deceptively simple to build, but getting the grade of fissile material required is anything but simple. especially with mossad/idf constantly bombing your centrifuges

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:38

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

remember when the UK tested a slbm and it just sort of left the tube and tipped over for a belly flop? lol

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:42

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

Owlbear Camus posted:

remember when the UK tested a slbm and it just sort of left the tube and tipped over for a belly flop? lol

lol if a nuclear exchange occurred (it won�t) it would be supremely awesome if none of ours launch

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:47

Drano: Dec 21, 2004; BEST at removing tough clogs!

mags posted:

there is an interesting and mediocre but entertaining 80s comedy called The Manhattan Project

with the premise of seldom mentioned laser isotope separation!

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:49

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

Drano posted:

with the premise of seldom mentioned laser isotope separation!

the laser scene is pretty cool. the 80s loved lasers

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:50

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

oh yeah the dad from Frasier is also in it

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:50

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

mags posted:

oh yeah the dad from Frasier is also in it

sold

# ? Apr 19, 2024 13:57

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mags posted:

yep, getting concentrations of “weapons grade” isotopes (plutonium is common but other isotopes can be used like isotopes of uranium) is difficult and requires special equipment that the west tries to control access to.

sparking a reaction is easier once you have the material. compression is a method, where an implosion evenly compresses a core of weapons grade material into a small hot mass able to sustain an extreme “super-critical” environment, more neurons produced per fission than was used (quick escalation of fission events, and to us an almost instantaneous big boom), you’ll need an explosive and a “shield” around it to direct the explosive energy inward to the core.

a “gun”-type nuclear weapon design also existed iirc

Note that this 'easier' method only gets you the classic fat man/little boy fission bomb. Modern thermonuclear fusion weapons rely on the same compression->fission principle but at a smaller scale as a boosted primary that produces a burst of x-rays. These x-rays then compress the gas secondary stage to create a much more energetic fusion reaction. They're a smaller and easier to deliver package but require much more precision in design than fission weapons.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 14:16

mags: May 30, 2008; Can't post for 8 hours!

Car Hater posted:

Note that this 'easier' method only gets you the classic fat man/little boy fission bomb. Modern thermonuclear fusion weapons rely on the same compression->fission principle but at a smaller scale as a boosted primary that produces a burst of x-rays. These x-rays then compress the gas secondary stage to create a much more energetic fusion reaction. They're a smaller and easier to deliver package but require much more precision in design than fission weapons.

what if we set off the nuclear bomb with a tiny nuclear bomb

# ? Apr 19, 2024 14:18

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

mlmp08 posted:

Averages 200 feet deep, and it�s ~100 miles wide at its narrowest point.

I don't know oceans is that a lot? 200 feet doesn't seem like a lot.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 14:24

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# ? May 23, 2024 20:15

nikosoft: Dec 17, 2011; ghost in the shell, but somehow much worse; College Slice

Nothus posted:

The degree to which blank checks were handed out and regulations were waived to get a passable vaccine was breathtaking. I've spent my entire adult life in biotechnology and I had never seen anything like it.

The fact that the entire effort has been memory holed makes me shriek like the joker

Hilarious too that a lot of people didn't take the vaccine because 'it was too rushed'. Nah man, IRB actually met to review the protocol the hour it was submitted, rather than taking three loving months to get around to it, like usual, and oops, you need to file an amendment, let's try again in a few months. Also recruitment met their goals in a day due to the overwhelming amount of volunteers, rather than having to beg people to sign up for months and still probably not even hit the cohort count and losing the grant. And then the massive amount of eyes and scrutiny on analysing the adverse effects from all arms, accomplished in part by reporting prioritizing your requests for data same day, instead of sitting on the req for weeks due to lack of manpower.

It's amazing what can be accomplished when everyone works towards the same clear goal. It was the most efficient and successful multi-site clinical trial ever and we'll never do anything like this ever again.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 14:27

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