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mawarannahr posted:Some say they would Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more.
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Madkal posted:How many times can you say Soros. You know the first draft of the tweet was (((Manhattan DA))). I am so glad he got loving trounced by Trump in the primaries. What a loving Reek wannabe. Got drat! That's a mean insult! If you had directed it towards a human, I'd be worried.
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The sheltering state could orchestrate a charge with a heavy sentence that includes years of community service (i.e. paid speeches at gatherings), and he'd never have to be extradited because he'd never finish out his sentence. 
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SpelledBackwards posted:The sheltering state could orchestrate a charge with a heavy sentence that includes years of community service (i.e. paid speeches at gatherings), and he'd never have to be extradited because he'd never finish out his sentence. tbh that sounds like an interesting legal question house arrest, work release, community service
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Apr 21, 2024 03:09
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But what if the state Trump hides in just declines to arrest him for anything? That way, the governor could respond to the demand of the New York governor by saying "Sorry, we don't have Donald Trump; can't help you." Edit: I see that the Supreme Court has said that states can be ordered by federal court to arrest and extradite. However, what if Florida just abolishes the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office and says "Complying with this order would be literally impossible; sorry."? Hobologist fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Hobologist posted:But what if the state Trump hides in just declines to arrest him for anything? That way, the governor could respond to the demand of the New York governor by saying "Sorry, we don't have Donald Trump; can't help you." If Texas rangers can cross state lines to compel texas house democrats to show up for sessions, I think new york can maybe figure something out.
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Failboattootoot posted:If Texas rangers can cross state lines to compel texas house democrats to show up for sessions, I think new york can maybe figure something out. The NYPD is too afraid of being within 500 feet of fentanyl to even think about crossing state borders
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Failboattootoot posted:If Texas rangers can cross state lines to compel texas house democrats to show up for sessions, I think new york can maybe figure something out. But they can bring their bats and balls anywhere. The New York Rangers would be completely out of their element having to walk around everywhere instead of skating.
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Hobologist posted:But what if the state Trump hides in just declines to arrest him for anything? That way, the governor could respond to the demand of the New York governor by saying "Sorry, we don't have Donald Trump; can't help you." At that point it would be up to Biden if he wants to send in the feds to collect him. Raenir Salazar posted:Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more. I want to agree but they are building a streak of actually doing the batshit things they say they will.
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Hobologist posted:But what if the state Trump hides in just declines to arrest him for anything? That way, the governor could respond to the demand of the New York governor by saying "Sorry, we don't have Donald Trump; can't help you." If a state argues in court that it simply does not have any law enforcement agency capable of arresting people within the state borders, then the judge is going to do the judge equivalent of laughing in their drat faces. Florida can say whatever dumb poo poo they want, but federal courts are not obliged to pretend that it's actually credible. The only remotely realistic method of refusing to extradite would be to simply refuse to comply with the court order, and dare the federal government to do something about it. If Trump loses the presidency and gets convicted, then DeSantis will probably give in and extradite. But if Trump wins the presidency, it's unlikely that the federal government will be particularly interested compelling states to comply with the extradition.
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If Trump wins the election there is a very strong argument that federal supremacy means state criminal penalties could not be enforced against him, as unconstitutional interference with the operation of the federal government. Think about it: we don't want DeSantis convicting Biden of criminal liberalisms.
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So it doesn't matter that he's broken state laws and is being indicted/convicted during the election? The President cannot be touched?
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mdemone posted:So it doesn't matter that he's broken state laws and is being indicted/convicted during the election? The President cannot be touched? I mean, it's unsettled law, but it's an argument I have to admit has some weight. Otherwise south carolina charges Abraham Lincoln with illegal slave liberation and welp And given the current Supreme court plus a good argument. . .i wouldn't rely on a conviction holding him in jail if he wins the presidency, no.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:To be clear I don’t think this would happen, but it’s simpler than that. The SCOTUS has no enforcement arm so Florida would just say “no.” SCOTUS used the USMS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marshals_Service
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snopes may say it's false, butquote:Trump Legal Troubles: Odor! Odor in the court!
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Zamujasa posted:snopes may say it's false, but It’s real good, but it’s not gonna beat “white power nap”. Not even the same league.
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My mom worked the burn ward at our local hospital, surviving horrific burns is torture; I won't go into the details other than to say recovery is its own hell and anyone you know that recovered from 3rd degree burns went through some poo poo.
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SpelledBackwards posted:But they can bring their bats and balls anywhere. The New York Rangers would be completely out of their element having to walk around everywhere instead of skating.  This is a good post and is much appreciated
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:To be clear I don’t think this would happen, but it’s simpler than that. The SCOTUS has no enforcement arm so Florida would just say “no.” I’m just going to opine that if your argument is based on the complete collapse of Constitution Article III authority then maybe there’s other issues to address than extradition and you’ve gone far, far, afield.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more. in TYOL 2024 Republican posturing is indistinguishable from dogwhistle antisemitism
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Raenir Salazar posted:Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more. I can see how you earned your PFP. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Raenir Salazar posted:Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more. Yea uh, "Soros-backed". Yikes, I knew that Santis was a shithead, but I honestly had no idea he was an antisemitic shithead.
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For what it's worth, soros has been a boogeyman on the right long enough that you don't necessarily have to read hardcore anti-semitism into it. This is by no means saying that DeSantis is not an anti-semite.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I can see how you earned your PFP. Do you have an argument?
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:For what it's worth, soros has been a boogeyman on the right long enough that you don't necessarily have to read hardcore anti-semitism into it. This is by no means saying that DeSantis is not an anti-semite. Yeah, that loving Soros guy really gets around.
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Maybe but "the antisemitic trope is so widespread it's no longer considered antisemitic" sure is a step backwards.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Political posturing and grandstanding, nothing more. Political posturing to me would be your boilerplate "blue state sham trial, donate to Dipshit PAC" not "Jew billionaire funded witch hunt, I'd hella ignore the law!". Even if it is all empty rhetoric, a sitting governor still said it out loud and these people are always probing for cracks to push norms further into the shitter. And separately stop being charitable to right wing bullshit, Soros conspiracy theory is founded on a solid bedrock of straight up antisemitism.
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There’s a reason Soros is the rich leftish boogie man and not Warren Buffet
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99pct of germs posted:Political posturing to me would be your boilerplate "blue state sham trial, donate to Dipshit PAC" not "Jew billionaire funded witch hunt, I'd hella ignore the law!". Even if it is all empty rhetoric, a sitting governor still said it out loud and these people are always probing for cracks to push norms further into the shitter. That's still posturing when the question was "Would Santos refuse to extradite Trump?" the specific tropes being uttered aren't super relevant.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Do you have an argument? embarrassing. pathetic, even (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BiggerBoat posted:Yeah, that loving Soros guy really gets around. And it's particularly funny because if I recall correctly Soros is relatively uninvolved in politics, no?
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cr0y posted:And it's particularly funny because if I recall correctly Soros is relatively uninvolved in politics, no? He supports some charities and causes that could be framed as being socially conscious i.e. he's a left-wing loony
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cr0y posted:And it's particularly funny because if I recall correctly Soros is relatively uninvolved in politics, no? Soros is not involved directly in politics (i.e. he doesn't support candidates afaik) but his open society initiatives are/were up being very influential in policy, and are generally understood as operating under a theoretical basis opposed to autocracies. The Russian government hates him because his groups promote democratic government, usually with a major soupcon of supporting the civil rights/economic policies that are needed to support it. Soros was a grad student of Karl Popper and was heavily influenced by his political and epistemological philosophy; he credits it as the source of the investment approach that made him his billions. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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There's also my stacks of Soros checks for D votes and every left-leaning post/comment I make online.
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Soros definitely hates Nazis. He was anti-Bush, anti-Trump for being authoritarians, but I don't think he was strong against McCain or Romney. He doesn't give speeches or anything but he does get involved.
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The whole point of bigoted dog whistles is that you have plausible deniability of being a bigot for using one, so it doesn’t matter whether or not DeSenatis knows it’s an anti-Semitic trope to bring up Soros for it to be lovely.
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Apr 21, 2024 21:33
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cr0y posted:And it's particularly funny because if I recall correctly Soros is relatively uninvolved in politics, no? I honestly have no loving idea. But to hear the other side of the aisle tell it, he's sending me 5 figure checks not to work and go harass and protest cops or something. I'm not sure what he does, exactly, but my conservative friends seem to think he's a giant tentacled mind flayer that controls absolutely everything. You'd think someone like me would be more in touch. He doesn't even send me emails.
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That's because the deep state will track your communications through whatever replaced the Carnivore system (going by Deus Ex terms, I'll just call it echelon). The previous R leaders were valiantly enacting environmental policies which were aimed at exterminating Soros' subversive messenger bees, but once Biden took power, his evil machinations led to a bounce back of the bee population in America as you may have heard recently.
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SpelledBackwards posted:That's because the deep state will track your communications through whatever replaced the Carnivore system (going by Deus Ex terms, I'll just call it echelon). Echelon is very real and still in operation today.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:On the eve of judgement trump flees to Florida where an emergency session passes a parity law with new York and dc. the same night he is tried and "convicted" of whatever charges hes about to be convicted of in other states and sentenced to supervised (by his daughter or staff) release for the remainder of his life. Bing bong one secret move prosecutors hate this When the prosecutor objects that its an ex post facto law, and thus he cannot be convicted under it
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