|
Bower’s capacity as a Deebo type do-it-all gadget “weapon” seems specious at best. Other TEs (and RBs and WRs) could provide most of that same utility. Basically any power-slot WR could do the inside-outside thing.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:13 |
|
|
# ? May 26, 2024 17:29 |
|
Bowers had a higher GPS-tracked in-game speed than any NFL tight end in the last 3 years. Then you have guys like Josh Norris complaining that he didn’t run a 40 in shorts pre-draft.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:26 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:Bower’s capacity as a Deebo type do-it-all gadget “weapon” seems specious at best. Other TEs (and RBs and WRs) could provide most of that same utility. No they could not lmao. They were finding success using Bowers on endarounds lmao. Bowers is an absurd athlete.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:32 |
|
Dexo posted:No they could not lmao. Yes, no slot receiver has ever done an end around. I take my criticisms back and am now Bowers fanboi #1.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:41 |
|
I can’t wait to see his full potential unlocked by *checks notes* Nathaniel Hackett
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:41 |
|
Re: Daniels chat, I hope he does well in the NFL, but I can’t shake the feeling that people should be looking more at his ASU years than his LSU years as it relates to how he does coming into the league and his injury-avoidance/decision making, and especially if he goes to a team like the Pats. Some of it can be coached out of him, but he’s not going to have the luxury of a vastly superior OL and 1st round receiving talent in the NFL that he had at LSU, at least not initially.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 21:57 |
|
Docjowles posted:I can’t wait to see his full potential unlocked by *checks notes* Nathaniel Hackett yea this is the big thing, like I'm sure Bowers is an insane athlete and also that he'll be incredibly underused and disappointing in this iteration of the Jets question, how good is Joe Alt? Like in a normal year would he be in contention for the #1 overall?
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:24 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:Yes, no slot receiver has ever done an end around. I take my criticisms back and am now Bowers fanboi #1. I'm not even a huge fanboy lmao. But uh, if you can have a TE who can do RB(H-Back)/TE/WR poo poo, it means you can easily dictate defensive formations and personnel which gives you the ability to attack whatever the defense is going to give you. Will Hackett do it? I don't loving know probably not, like I said the only way I would as a GM draft him is if my HC/OC is like banging the table with plans on how to use and maximize him.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:28 |
|
Relentlessboredomm posted:yea this is the big thing, like I'm sure Bowers is an insane athlete and also that he'll be incredibly underused and disappointing in this iteration of the Jets To devil’s advocate my own point, the odds are probably pretty good that Bowers only has to deal with one year of the current Jets staff. Like they have to all be gone if the Rodgers Gambit crashes and burns again… right?
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:35 |
|
3 DONG HORSE posted:#22 and #64 for the Broncos. Managed two top 100s despite no second! How many picks do you think there are in the first three rounds
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:44 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:Bower’s capacity as a Deebo type do-it-all gadget “weapon” seems specious at best. Other TEs (and RBs and WRs) could provide most of that same utility. The idea isn't what you could have another player do. It's masking your offensive intent. If you have a slot WR out there instead of a TE you can't threaten the run as well, nor can you line up in power formations as easily. TEs also typically require a bigger DB to cover them which is usually occupied by a safety which heavily affects MOFO/MOFC coverage. Granted slot DBs are starting to become bigger and tougher due to teams using traditional boundary receivers inside now but I think most of them would still find it hard to cover a guy like Kelce, let alone tackle him. He's also not alone as a unicorn anymore as more and more people are coming out that are as big and fast. Also as always the question is who do you draft instead? The skill positions are DE, OT, WR, QB, CB and if you take the top 5 guys in each of those categories you still have 7 spots in the first round left over. I highly doubt the QB6/DE6/WR6/CB6/OT6 is more valuable than the TE1 for your team.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:51 |
|
Docjowles posted:To devil’s advocate my own point, the odds are probably pretty good that Bowers only has to deal with one year of the current Jets staff. Like they have to all be gone if the Rodgers Gambit crashes and burns again… right? yea but then the Jets have to hire someone who would use him properly which...
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 22:53 |
|
Relentlessboredomm posted:yea but then the Jets have to hire someone who would use him properly which... Bah gawd is that Josh McDaniels music????
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 23:31 |
|
Presuming Aaron Rodgers is on the field, he’s running the offense so I’m not so worried about Hackett in that scenario. If it’s Tyrod Taylor and Hackett then sure, Bowers is probably just a dude. That said, this will be moot since we’ll trade back and take OT3/4.
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 23:34 |
|
Is Joe Alt as good as Eric Fisher?
|
# ? Apr 21, 2024 23:51 |
|
No Butt Stuff posted:Is Joe Alt as good as Eric Fisher? It’s just 1 data point but Scouts Inc. graded Fisher as a 96 and their 3rd overall that year. They have Alt as a 94 and 4th overall this year. I’d say that’s similar.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 00:24 |
|
IcePhoenix posted:How many picks do you think there are in the first three rounds Why you gotta poo poo on my poo poo parade
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 00:50 |
|
3 DONG HORSE posted:Why you gotta poo poo on my poo poo parade Because gently caress Sean Payton that's why
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 00:57 |
|
No Butt Stuff posted:Is Joe Alt as good as Eric Fisher? He's a much better prospect coming out but who knows, OT is tough. I think I'm more high on Alt than most but I see Joe Thomas potential there.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 00:59 |
|
Don't get me wrong, having 5-6 years of solid LT play would be huge for most franchises, but I don't know if it's the same as swinging on trying to get the next JJ or not. There's something to be said for that level of O-Line play, but god drat would I rather have a guy at 20-something and a premium WR than just Joe Alt.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 02:31 |
|
I have a weird belief that elite WRs aren't that valuable and are getting devalued by new age WRs that are all fast and quick but mediocre sized. There's a lot of teams out there getting by with good passing offenses and traditionally unimpressive WRs. Passing attacks are just so quick now that you no longer really require 6'4 guys that can jump out of the building who typically get taken with premium picks.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 03:22 |
|
Doltos posted:I have a weird belief that elite WRs aren't that valuable and are getting devalued by new age WRs that are all fast and quick but mediocre sized. There's a lot of teams out there getting by with good passing offenses and traditionally unimpressive WRs. Passing attacks are just so quick now that you no longer really require 6'4 guys that can jump out of the building who typically get taken with premium picks. It seems like it's a lot easier to acquire them in trades than LT as well.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 03:27 |
|
Yes but I also like 6’4” 225 lb freaks running a 4.3x
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 04:23 |
|
It’s more valuable to have multiple good wrs than it is to have one stud wr, imo
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 06:32 |
|
Doltos posted:I have a weird belief that elite WRs aren't that valuable and are getting devalued by new age WRs that are all fast and quick but mediocre sized. There's a lot of teams out there getting by with good passing offenses and traditionally unimpressive WRs. Passing attacks are just so quick now that you no longer really require 6'4 guys that can jump out of the building who typically get taken with premium picks. it's not weird, it's the same problem as not being able to win a Super Bowl unless you have a QB on a rookie contract or Patrick Mahomes e: "rookie contract" isn't really accurate but the general principle is that if a QB is taking too much of your cap you can't build a good enough team to win. Mahomes in 2022 at 17.2% of the cap broke the record of 13.1% set by Steve Young in 1994 IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Apr 22, 2024 |
# ? Apr 22, 2024 06:38 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:It’s more valuable to have multiple good wrs than it is to have one stud wr, imo I don't know what's serious and what's ironic anymore but as a Seattle fan you are wrong
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 06:51 |
|
Tom Brady made a very profitable career in New England playing with a smattering of good wideouts, 1 future HOF wideout, and a whole lot of nobodies at wideout.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 07:41 |
|
It's fun to flip through nfldraftbuzz pros and cons and then looking at the NFL combine pros and cons and seeing them just reword their sentences
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 07:46 |
|
Is there a draft profile site worth a poo poo left?
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 08:10 |
|
Ches Neckbeard posted:Is there a draft profile site worth a poo poo left? You're posting on it.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 08:47 |
|
Gonz posted:Tom Brady made a very profitable career in New England playing with a smattering of good wideouts, 1 future HOF wideout, and a whole lot of nobodies at wideout. And yet the New England model hasn't seemed to work too well without it's Tom Brady has it?
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 09:40 |
|
WRs are a premium position. Overdraft them when you can.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 09:59 |
|
A Sneaker Broker posted:WRs are a premium position. Overdraft them when you can. *looks at Matt Millen* WAIT NO
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 10:04 |
|
whoa it's crazy that Sheil Kapadia invented the first time machine: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/4/22/24136788/2024-nfl-mock-draft-predicting-every-pick-first-round
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:38 |
|
We made it! It's draft week. Schefter smoke piece is out: quote:Why the Cardinals are 'in the catbird seat'
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:43 |
|
whos that broooown posted:I don't know what's serious and what's ironic anymore but as a Seattle fan you are wrong Explain your position, poster. My position is simple, logical, and observably true. A component of successful passing offenses is to have wrs that can consistently get opportunities against defensive backs. Due to the inherent benefits of offense (timing, proactive versus reactive, etc), an inferior wr can still get a few opportunities against a superior db… Unless the gap between the inferior wr and superior db is truly large. Few teams have elite cb 1s. Few teams have multiple good defensive backs. As such, if Team X has 3 B wrs and Team Y has 1 A, 1 B, and 1 C db, the advantage is clearly to Team X. A team needs to have enough wr talent than at least some of their wrs can get opportunities against at least 1 of the dbs.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 16:58 |
|
Obviously elite WRs are good too though, I’d be stoked if my team had two clones of Randy Moss and two clones of megatron.
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 16:59 |
|
DJ's final rankings: https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1782422181865017658
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 17:02 |
|
Simple. Logical. Observably true. Dun dun dundundundundunnnnn
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 17:04 |
|
|
# ? May 26, 2024 17:29 |
|
Diva Cupcake posted:DJ's final rankings: Odunze over Nabers… What other rankings from this list were notable to you fellow TFFers?
|
# ? Apr 22, 2024 17:19 |