FlocksOfMice posted:

I listened to like one minute of this and it's one of the most ontologically terrifying things I've ever seen, unironically. Memetically humanity seeks to speciate, doesn't it? it's this why I can't understand Star Citizen? I'm no longer of the kind which has the organs to make sense of it

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Oddly enough it feels like the AAA industry has caught up to the Star Citizen development model where you shove in literally everything regardless of whether it works or how much it breaks flow.

I said come in! posted:

What Star Citizen could have that I think could work is ships that require multiple players to operate, and each person has an important task, with missions that take advantage of those important tasks. Everyone has to work together and communicate otherwise the ship explodes. What Star Citizen has instead is everyone on a ship just kinda clips through the ship and falls through space or a planet and then dies. You can't even actually do anything on the ships anyways, they are just for transporting players around.

Star Wars Galaxies had my idea as a gameplay loop, so i'm not mentioning anything original, just to be clear.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Oddly enough it feels like the AAA industry has caught up to the Star Citizen development model where you shove in literally everything regardless of whether it works or how much it breaks flow.

Time_pants posted:

I thought you were going to say AAA games finally caught up to SC how much money they demand after you already bought the game.

Biplane posted:

Star Trek Bridge Crew already exists, and is actually fun.

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Unlike other game developers who make simple systems but add much variety via those simple systems in a relatively short time CIG are going for more capable complex systems where future expansion is unlimited. Other games do not have nearly the amount of possible attachments Star Citizen and Squadron 42 have planned, indeed very often even with their limited capabilities games often ship with glaring issues like poke-thru and misaligned geometry. There is always a trade-off, you can have development time quality and variety but for each you have to weigh the cost benefit, variety takes time, quality takes time - even more so when you don't want to accept the standard game design limits. As Chris said at the last CitizenCon, they plan to keep improving and adding features and capability for the next decade and beyond, so there is little point in going for sheer volume just to amuse people for a while. They have to plan for the future capabilities to come, not just an 'off the shelf' game engine solution.

Anyone and everyone who follows this project knows that it has never been a project about a 'summer release' and grab as much cash as you can for 6 months while the company switches to a new cash grab product. They are building and expanding the game engine while they build a live release, no-one else does that and there are good reasons why no-one else does that. The reason it seems so odd to some people is precisely because they are used to short term approaches to game development by other game developers who use existing game engine technology. CIG are solving problems and limitations that are just accepted as reality or insurmountable by the standard game developers, they push the limits in just about every single feature they include, often-times far beyond what many even thought possible. Too often the criticisms come from those who spend little to no time actually researching how games are normally made, how things are fudged, faked and quick-fixes are adopted to cut down on development costs and ship games quicker to market. CIG are a victim of their own success, they make the virtually miraculous look simple to the uninformed.

Mirificus posted:

Iron Chef Ramen posted:

I wonder if Pisscat understands that he'll be dead long before Star Citizen is "finished".

Mirificus posted:

Tnuctip posted:

Is the game out yet, think it’s been a year since I last asked?

Tnuctip posted:

Is the game out yet, think it’s been a year since I last asked?

Buce posted:

will all the spaceships be romanceable at launch?

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Payouts are already far, far, far far, far too high.

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Nothing even close to that.

Players seem to think they're entitled to buy anything, any ship they want in the game, through only solo effort and in just a few days of playing... That is not how it should be.

What do you make for an average salary IRL? That should be more in line with what we should expect in the verse... and we're not going to be buying a 44,000,000 Yacht on a regular salary.

Even as a millionaire, there are things out of reach.

Many of the goals in this game are team-based aspirational goals - many covet, few achieve.

This I believe shows how players can't even comprehend this game is going to play so much differently that anything they are used to.

300-400k an hour? Try 300-400k a year.

Players should completely reset their expectations.

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ROFL! Have fun selling your Korean grind mmo to westerners.

Fyi — as people certified and licensed for spaceflight, we are those multi-millionaires in this game.

But at 400k a year, grinding 6 hrs a day, it would take a player about 25 years to afford a connie.

The ship that supposedly players are meant to be able to buy in a month.

Maybe you need to reset your expectations…

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That's where financing comes in!

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

Anyone and everyone who follows this project knows that it has never been a project about a 'summer release' and grab as much cash as you can for 6 months
LOL

DreadUnknown posted:

Starship Simulator is coming out soon aand looks like the peak of these kind of games.

Mirificus posted:

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Take a wild guess.

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I don't really mean to cherry pick, but I wanted to use that quote to maybe expand a larger discussion...

How is that a good thing... "without worrying"?

I feel like "worrying" simply translates into time and consideration we thought we would have to put in even the most mundane tasks, in ways that most other games didn't make us. That, to me, was one of the interesting aspects/possibilities of this game. I want to worry about those things!

The bed mechanic never had any good definition... nor did the idea that you "automatically" make it safely back to somewhere when you log off. So they needed to design something, finally, because I don't think they've ever gave it more thought than "cool beds look cool"

But, they have to find some way to have a cost to simply logging out wherever and logging back in the same place.

Maybe the same "place" is ok, but time will (should*) have elapsed as if we were there in game. So I'd like to see them take that time into account... for example, offline consumption of resources (food, water, oxygen) would be one way. And making sure you have enough of that.

That consumption and safety could be relative... maybe you do have a choice to pitch a tent and truly survive, so you don't have to run back to your ship... but running back to your ship would be the next level of safety. And if that's not enough for you, then you do have the option to go find a station or hangar.


It just doesn't make sense to me that we can go somewhere, log out, and reap the benefits of whatever being in that location means... without having to deal with any of the negative effects or risks as we would if we were online.

So in the end I agree, logging off anywhere should be the deal... but the game needs to give you hard choices to make about what that means for you. I think it should do that by treating it as if you never logged off at all. (there's also a discussion to be had about player persistence in the world and I would be ok with that, but this doesn't have to mean that literally)

Mozi posted:

sometimes i walk outside at night, look up at the boundless array of stars sparkling like jewels in the infinite heavens, and think to myself, man, i wish i was in the 'verse right now

Apollodorus posted:

I wish I lived somewhere with less light pollution, myself.

FlocksOfMice posted:

I love not having time to come back to a game for a few days because I have an actual functional life outside of a video game and finding out my character starved to death in the meanwhile. It's super fun when a game is as demanding as a job.

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Not everyone has 2 hours to prepare and go to a mission to play it for 5 minutes and lose all the time through some unfortunate circumstances then have to restart the process.. At least with lowbie respawn you can get back into the action pretty quickly if you have the right vehicle..

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You prepare today, play tomorrow.

The point was never to "get back into the action quickly" but rather "do everything you can to not leave the action prematurely"

There are other games for the lazy sloppy sweats already.

This was not supposed to be one of them.

Mirificus posted:

Steadiman posted:

"prepare today, play tomorrow" ...lol it's a space ship shooty video game my man, calm down

Steadiman posted:

"prepare today, play tomorrow" ...lol it's a space ship shooty video game my man, calm down