Mandel Brotset posted:

yeah sorry I didn’t mean suggest banning it but I do find the “won’t matter, will be crushed” tone annoying

Lustful Man Hugs posted:

So it's cool to come in this thread and be a doomer. Just remember that the coming doom is the doom of the great satan.

Lasting Damage posted:

Tangentially, I'd like to make the case to the IKs that it's time to ban this kind of posting. To me, arguing how the student protests might affect things domestically in the US is no different from the WWIII type of posting. Its speculation at best and takes the focus of the thread off of the Palestinian struggle for liberation. I think the topic is worth discussing, but maybe elsewhere. I think posting about developments actually happening in regards the protests is good for this thread, but specifically I'm talking about stuff like "oh this is gonna backfire and set off something bigger" or "it's a pointless middle-class performance" ought to forbidden.

FirstnameLastname posted:

the things people are missing about these protests isn't where they're happening but who is involved

This is the segment of society that 10, 20 years from now would be running protection for Israel, these are the people that they would be asking to shut the college down

for a lot of them this is their first impression of Israel, the country's acting like every bad guy from every movie, combined with the nazis. people will remember that poo poo


if Israel doesn't get its hooks into people's careers before they're fully established & self-sufficient, and likewise with their peers, it has very little to build leverage with

Israel has made it both cool to support palestine, and uncool to support Israel, across children, teenagers, young adults -
it'll get you into the halls of power today but it will not get you invited to a party tonight

and what do college students generally value most

israel is cooked

Jen heir rick posted:

this is so crazy cool. These protests seem different somehow. It feels like the powerful are actually scared of these protests. It feels meaningful unlike previous protests that were just ignored.

Destroyenator posted:

Has anyone done the Israeli flag with a snowflake instead of a star yet?

Complications posted:

The Vietnam peace protests accomplished gently caress all, but troops all but totally mutinying and definitely fragging officers ended the war and the draft to boot.

Lasting Damage posted:

I think it's good people are internalizing the idea that these sorts of protests are limited in the effect they can have, but I think its leading some posters to conflate the necessity of working-class consciousness and organization to build a revolutionary movement, with the utility of the middle-class revolt in affecting policy change in the imperial core. People are right to bring up Vietnam; the anti-war movement was never going to produce a proletarian revolution but it's hard to argue that the empire's policy wasn't forced to shift because of unrest at home and in the army.

You just have to have the right expectations. These kids are not going to bring about a collapse of the capitalist empire, but as part of a larger movement, they can help force that empire to retreat from supporting the genocide of Palestinians.

Nothing would give me greater pleasure to see the imperial spear-tip shatter because of mass proletarian revolt here in the US, but at the end of the day, the only thing that will make it do that is the steadfast resolve and heroic resistance of Palestinians. We won't be able to take credit for that inevitable victory. But we can probably help weaken the resolve of the empire against the indomitable will of Palestine.

Tangentially, I'd like to make the case to the IKs that it's time to ban this kind of posting. To me, arguing how the student protests might affect things domestically in the US is no different from the WWIII type of posting. Its speculation at best and takes the focus of the thread off of the Palestinian struggle for liberation. I think the topic is worth discussing, but maybe elsewhere. I think posting about developments actually happening in regards the protests is good for this thread, but specifically I'm talking about stuff like "oh this is gonna backfire and set off something bigger" or "it's a pointless middle-class performance" ought to forbidden.

fake edit:

This is kinda the thing I mean

FormaldehydeSon posted:

time for coolzone thread part 2, sounds like we are all lusting for more funny videos of cops tripping and falling over

text editor posted:

I don't know how dependent on foreign aid apartheid South Africa was, but it seems like a bunch of divestments could really cripple Israel even faster than it did in the run-up to the end of apartheid. I mean despite all the free poo poo Israel gets, they were still hitting up US synagogues and IDF-linked orgs for money to buy uniforms and body armor and whatnot and then having to order it from China because despite easily and inexpensive that stuff is to buy or produce, they did not have it stockpiled, did not have the ability to manufacture it, and apparently did not have the money on hand to buy cheap, cheap supplies.


Not to mention they run that Friends of the IDF charity that raises money for soldiers too. I really don't think a country whose military has to partly run on donations can eat a BDS movement with proper momentum

FormaldehydeSon posted:

time for coolzone thread part 2, sounds like we are all lusting for more funny videos of cops tripping and falling over

tristeham posted:

no thank you

tristeham posted:

no thank you

FormaldehydeSon posted:

time for coolzone thread part 2, sounds like we are all lusting for more funny videos of cops tripping and falling over

tristeham posted:

no thank you

text editor posted:

I don't know how dependent on foreign aid apartheid South Africa was, but it seems like a bunch of divestments could really cripple Israel even faster than it did in the run-up to the end of apartheid. I mean despite all the free poo poo Israel gets, they were still hitting up US synagogues and IDF-linked orgs for money to buy uniforms and body armor and whatnot and then having to order it from China because despite easily and inexpensive that stuff is to buy or produce, they did not have it stockpiled, did not have the ability to manufacture it, and apparently did not have the money on hand to buy cheap, cheap supplies.


Not to mention they run that Friends of the IDF charity that raises money for soldiers too. I really don't think a country whose military has to partly run on donations can eat a BDS movement with proper momentum

RealityWarCriminal posted:

Robert Kraft was caught on tape soliciting prostitution but got off on a technicality

World War Mammories posted:

i'll bet he did

Butter Activities posted:

Just watch your toes

Israel is a "startup nation" in the sense that it will die like all those stupid tech companies did when interest rates stopped being negative and money for ultra rich people to invest was no longer free.

CheetoVonTito posted:

I don’t follow football…is the owner of the patriots a big deal?

https://x.com/kahlissee/status/1782826724813656361?s=46

Jen heir rick posted:

this is so crazy cool. These protests seem different somehow. It feels like the powerful are actually scared of these protests. It feels meaningful unlike previous protests that were just ignored.

Spergin Morlock posted:

Putin stole his super bowl ring, then he kissed Tom Brady on the lips

Spergin Morlock posted:

Putin stole his super bowl ring, then he kissed Tom Brady on the lips

Mandel Brotset posted:

lol I thought you all were joking but nope

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-stole-a-super-bowl-ring-from-the-patriots-robert-kraft/

quote:

"It would really be in the best interest of US-Soviet relations if you meant to give the ring as a present," Kraft said he was told on the White House call in 2005.

Spergin Morlock posted:

the Israeli project appears to be a keystone in the edifice built by the transatlantic bourgeoisie. Wonder what happens when it crumbles and falls out

Butter Activities posted:

I’m stealing this from a Jared Bauer video essay but I think his claim is that the split over Israel and Palestine won’t be yet another culture war but is the beginning of the end of the current sort of superstructure of liberalism. The importance of Israel is deeply material. Israel existence as a destabilizing force in the Middle East more than anything is vital for western imperialism. So, because even the most superficially progressive liberal “wokeness” can no longer easily incorporate Israel as it exists, it’s much more likely the center left establishment breaks from sort of “woke” rhetoric to some different framework entirely that can accommodate racism and Islamophobia alongside their domestic agenda more easily.

really queer Christmas posted:

Back in october/November when the protests started going up in strong fashion, I think we kinda threaded the needle on - the protests are good and should be talked about. But random nobodies/us politicians thoughts on the protests is succ zone material. I think we've kinda let too much burger through, and should probably start cracking down on it a bit more. But ultimately, the focus should still be on the genocide - and less about the protests and the discourse around it.

FormaldehydeSon posted:

time for coolzone thread part 2, sounds like we are all lusting for more funny videos of cops tripping and falling over

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tristeham posted:

no thank you

BearsBearsBears posted:

WoodrowSkillson posted:

in the detroit area we had a superior version of chuck e cheese which was "Little Ceasar's Family Fun" and it had more video games, a better play structure, and no irritating and or scary to tiny children musical act. it also had better pizza, and served beer.