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Surprised this one hasn't been posted yet since it happened over a week ago and there's been a ton of horrifying news footage from it. https://apnews.com/article/uber-driver-killed-scam-4998a42b2e59aed3dda95f983b2f9b52 quote:It was a common scam that ended with an uncommon outcome, tragically in an Ohio driveway. Basically a scammer called an old man while pretending to be a cop and demanded the guy pay $12,000 for a fictitious relative in prison, while also calling an Uber driver to the man's house to grab a package that didn't exist. Driver arrives at the man's house, man sees her and assumes she's in on the grift and came to take his money, man confronts driver with a gun thinking he's being robbed, driver tries to flee, and man shoots and kills her probably thinking she's either reaching for a weapon or leaving to get backup. Just all around lovely for everyone involved. Then later after police arrive the scammer calls the man's house again and talks to an actual cop, still pretending to be a cop himself, and when he finds out he's talking to a real cop he immediately hangs up. Just a disgusting tragic shitshow. Unfortunately scams like this are relatively common in the US. My dad was almost a victim of it several years back. He got a call from some rear end in a top hat claiming to be a cop who demanded something like $500 for failure to show for jury duty. Thankfully we called the real cops and that's how we found out it was a scam, but it was still an incredibly lovely experience. I hope they catch this scammer and give him a worse sentence than the old man. This kind of poo poo shouldn't happen, and the scammer might as well be just as guilty for the driver's death as the old guy, if not more-so.
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 22:39 |
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# ? May 19, 2024 16:23 |
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Old dude shouldn't have shot
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 22:53 |
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yeah the scammer should be charged with murder but the old guy shot a fleeing person and then shot her two more times when she wasn't dead yet. gently caress him.
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 22:55 |
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So old man's claims his plan was what now? Kidnap the scammer? This seems pretty clear cut premeditated murder
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 22:59 |
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I saw the video and that poor woman was very obviously terrified and very obviously didn't know what was going on and what this old crazy person with a gun was talking about. He murdered her.
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 23:05 |
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Yeah but most gun owners didn't murder her
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 23:10 |
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Yeah, he's still putting the value of life below the value of stuff. And not everyone's stuff, dude was perfectly happy stealing the woman's phone from her while attempting to hold her hostage for the police. And he was holding her with the threat of lethal force. Over stuff. I'm sure there will be a song and dance about how he felt threatened, but at the end of the day he was the one that immediately escalated to threatening deadly force and refused to allow the other party to flee, and then executed them when they attempted to against his will. All this rear end in a top hat had to do to stop this tragedy from occurring was not open his door. That's it. He had identified the scam and wasn't going to fall for it. The woman is absolutely dead because of his insane and bloody desire for vengeance over a scam that didn't even work on him. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Bingo
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 23:42 |
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I know that was kind of a rant, but seriously, gently caress the "good guy with a gun" myth. If this guy hadn't thought himself in a Hollywood movie, a woman that was already a victim of a scam and intended him no harm would not be dead. And the man has been so deluded that he thinks this was the correct and good way to handle the situation and he should not be held responsible for his part in the outcome.
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 23:45 |
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Of course it was an old white guy shooting a middle aged black lady Of course that’s how the story’s racial breakdown went
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 23:58 |
how else would it go down? this is America
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:02 |
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He's old and sometimes people get out of jail for being old but I hope he dies in prison.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:04 |
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FoolyCharged posted:Yeah, he's still putting the value of life below the value of stuff. And not everyone's stuff, dude was perfectly happy stealing the woman's phone from her while attempting to hold her hostage for the police. And he was holding her with the threat of lethal force. Over stuff. First off, the old guy should absolutely face consequences for murdering that woman, and I don't want to sound like he shouldn't or like I'm denying that he should. Having said that, $12,000 is a whole lot of "stuff", especially for an elderly retired person on a fixed income. For most people and especially most old people, that's not "I can give this to a thief and eat the loss/get it back later, no biggie" money. It's "I'm never getting this back and I might die this month because now I can't afford to pay my bills or medical costs" money.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:09 |
that's right, old people are the only people afraid of losing their money so they should be able to shoot you
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:15 |
now if you rob a hobo or a young poor person? well that's different they aren't on a fixed income
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:15 |
fixed income is a fake idea and social security gets better inflation adjustments than any cost of living raise I've ever received
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:16 |
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I. M. Gei posted:First off, the old guy should absolutely face consequences for murdering that woman, and I don't want to sound like he shouldn't or like I'm denying that he should. It's the same for me, and if I shot someone because I was mad someone else had tried to scam me out of it, I would hope to God that none of y'all would give me any room for it either. It does not matter how much or how important the stuff is. A human life is more important.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:18 |
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I. M. Gei posted:First off, the old guy should absolutely face consequences for murdering that woman, and I don't want to sound like he shouldn't or like I'm denying that he should. He posted a 200k bond immediately so I don't think he's on fixed income.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:24 |
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Just don’t loving shoot people!
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:26 |
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I. M. Gei posted:Having said that, $12,000 is a whole lot of "stuff" He already knew it was a scam so actually he was risking losing $0 because he was never giving anything to anyone. Killing someone over $12,000 is also really bad and not justifiable, but he killed her over the $0 he was planning to give.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:27 |
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Was the guy actually aware that it was a scam from the start? The story doesn't make it clear, but it sounds like part of him thought it might be legit but he wasn't 100% sure, and that might be why he opened the door and confronted the woman to start with. If he knew it was a scam to begin with then yeah, he should've just not confronted the woman at all and called the cops on the scammer.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:28 |
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Well he had the 12k sitting on his dining table so who knows what he really thought.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:31 |
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Oh well if he wasn't entirely sure that absolutely makes it justified because twelve thousand is a lot and a human life is just like a human life. Edit: it could've been five hundred thousand and still doesn't make it okay for anyone still erring hth
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:35 |
Regardless if he knew it was a scam or not he chased the poor woman around and cold blooded murdered her, she literally was not a threat and wanted to get away Hope he rots in prison
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 00:38 |
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I didn't know you could call an Uber to basically act as a messenger service.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 01:06 |
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there's a weird trend going on with aging white boomer men where they're realizing how old and decrepit they are but still desperately want people to think they're tough guys who would win a fight because they have 60 years of Hollywood action movie brain poisoning
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 01:22 |
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Peepaw just thought it was his turn to shoot someone. He doesn't have many years left after all.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 01:41 |
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I. M. Gei posted:First off, the old guy should absolutely face consequences for murdering that woman, and I don't want to sound like he shouldn't or like I'm denying that he should. Except he didn’t lose $12,000. He didnt lose anything. He’s a murderous psychopath and deserves to die in prison.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:02 |
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but what if we later find out hes mid-way through a dementia death?? i think we should take a step back here and respect our elders by giving them the benefit of a doubt
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:14 |
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the benefit of my doubt handily works just as well inside a prison cell.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:17 |
Yeah I have 0 sympathy for this guy. He thought this person was failing to scam him and shot them. I kind of read it like he got really close to getting scammed, to the point of getting out 12k in money to give, but figured it right at the end. I think he was just embarrassed and mad at this person he thought was part of the scam. A fragile ego can be deadly when broken. Quick Edit: If he turns out to have some kind of serious dementia going on, it should be treated like an insanity defense imo. Lock him away in a hospital, but lock him away none the less. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:45 |
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I'm not joking when I say a whole lot of gun owners are running "am I allowed to shoot them now???" math in their head all the time.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:47 |
On a side note, I hope they also find the scammer and charge that guy with whatever they can. It's not like he could foresee that exact series of events, but play evil games win evil prizes like an involuntary manslaughter charge.wash bucket posted:I'm not joking when I say a whole lot of gun owners are running "am I allowed to shoot them now???" math in their head all the time. Yeah. Lots of gun groups also offer training in exactly what to say to maximize your odds of not getting in trouble after the fact too.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:02 |
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Did anyone look into the background of the woman he I'm sure she was no angel...
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:07 |
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emSparkly posted:Just don’t loving shoot people! the USA will never solve the problem because people LIKE to shoot people
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:07 |
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The stupid old man could have easily said 'I am calling the police' but I guess that's basically attempted murder in of itself.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:14 |
Outrail posted:The stupid old man could have easily said 'I am calling the police' but I guess that's basically attempted murder in of itself. Oh and on his call he tries to lay out the "I feared for my life" defense bullshit they teach to you say. If it weren't for the dashcam, it might have worked considering it was a white man shooting a black woman in rural-ish Ohio.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:27 |
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I love how we just abandoned telephonic communication to the unfettered whims of global scammers to the point that no one in their right mind answers the phone anymore.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:31 |
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wilderthanmild posted:On the dashcam footage, he shoots her shortly after she says she is going to call the police. He shot her in the leg first. This guy was trying to do some dumb action movie poo poo to get the answers he wanted. Oh, well that guy is a straight up murderer then. Old enough to die in prison at least.
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:48 |
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# ? May 19, 2024 16:23 |
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goddamn, op. ain’t no room at all in this horror show to be playing white devil’s advocate
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:56 |