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Sir Tonk posted:is it like the SA mod forum? yes. you can also get into the mod forum by sending me five dollars
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Sir Tonk posted:is it like the SA mod forum? dsa has a forum that only members can access. the majority of people that post on the forums are on the dsa's left end because they currently represent the majority of active dsa members, so people on dsa's right end do not post there because they feel like they get dogpiled whenever they post their stupid takes and also because twitter is more public, they feel like it's a more effective way to pressure the NPC than posting on the forums. this results in members of dsa's right wing like maria constantly violating the dsa forums rules by posting screenshots of the forums instead of just posting summaries of the discussions on the forums and responding to that and also never responding in dsa forum threads about anything that they should respond to, so anyone who doesn't already follow them on twitter never sees their responses either.
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just expell them and be done with it, wreckers go home
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Doktor Avalanche posted:just expell them and be done with it, wreckers go home they can't afford to expel anyone
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Doktor Avalanche posted:just expell them and be done with it, wreckers go home Seriously
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they’re wrecking the sheepdog org
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Is DSA not gonna endorse AOC? I'm seeing Twitter posts angry about the possibility.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Is DSA not gonna endorse AOC? I'm seeing Twitter posts angry about the possibility. I'm pretty sure they already did. Edit: the NYC chapter did. Idk about national.
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the dsa is the finest chud org in the US. proud to be a member.
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So I'm not a smart man. Can one of you nice people break down why you all don't like Trotsky(ists)?
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Lpzie posted:the dsa is the finest chud org in the US. proud to be a member. Gonna have to hand in my chud card if this is true
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Mukulu posted:So I'm not a smart man. Can one of you nice people break down why you all don't like Trotsky(ists)? Everyone has seemingly always hated troskyists throughout history, to the extent that I'm always surprised there are even any trotskyists out there at all. Where do they come from?
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Trotsky was an MI6 agent
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Mukulu posted:So I'm not a smart man. Can one of you nice people break down why you all don't like Trotsky(ists)? Short version is Trotsky split from the rest of the Soviet leadership because Trotsky thought communism was only possible with a world revolution. After he was exiled, he became a very public critic of the soviet union, and tried to create a split of the third international by creating the fourth international. So trostkyists have become infamous for always splitting off from any communist party and for opposing any actually existing communist governments. Irving Kristol started out as a trotskyist before creating the neocon movement.
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Trotsky: the OG wrecker
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'trotskyism' as such wasn't that offensive or crazy as an ideology. it's more a pejorative term now for splitters and outspoken leftist critics of leftist movements and governments. trot criticism usually focuses on real or perceived antidemocratic practices or tendencies in communist parties or governments. sincere or not, it happens to make their rhetoric line up with right-wing, capitalist criticisms of existing communist power structures. 'trots' are therefore viewed with some justification by all sides as subversive and, as in Cuba, sometimes get support and funding from capitalist foreign powers e: that said I think 'trot' isn't a really helpful term to distinguish among leftist groups or tendencies in the US, who more or less all take for granted trotsky's actual ideological differences with the third international and stalinism Cassian of Imola has issued a correction as of 15:45 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Mukulu posted:So I'm not a smart man. Can one of you nice people break down why you all don't like Trotsky(ists)? If you want a much deeper discussion of this, I encourage you to take it to the Marxism thread. But in brief: Trotsky was right imo. But he was such an obnoxious goon about it that he managed to get himself killed. Early Trotskyists saw this not as a political failure on Trotsky's part to learn from but rather an indictment of the Soviet system entirely and Stalin personally as excessively authoritarian. In the decades since, the Trotskyist movement has been an ideological shelter for very annoying contrarians (like Trotsky), which Marxist movements already attract in spades. In my personal experience, a lot of the Trotskyists around where I'm at end up there either because they have an anti-Stalinist view (irrelevant but like Trotsky himself they can't shut up about it), or (more commonly) because they can't hack it in the social circles of other Marxists. This has made them a very attractive current for various global anti-communist interests, because all you need to do it pay a pittance to keep their newspaper running and they'll act as irritating wreckers for you. That said, not all Trotskyist groups are like this, of course. In my view Socialist Alternative is one of the more effective anti-capitalist groups in the United States, in that they've had any effect at all, anywhere. My personal interactions with SA members have generally been productive and they generally demonstrate some kind of internal discipline, which is woefully short supply in the anti-capitalist movement generally.
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Ultimately the reason online anti-capitalists hate Trotskyists is because the haters can't separate memes from reality tho
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and because he was an MI6 agent
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Thank you, Pepe, for demonstrating.
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I guess Trotskyists don't like being reminded of that true fact
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As anyone cracked the code on the Trotskyist-to-NeoCon pipeline?
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War and Pieces posted:As anyone cracked the code on the Trotskyist-to-NeoCon pipeline? I just did, in my earlier post.
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If Trotsky were living among us today, he would do nothing but clap at people on Twitter.
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they are the funny newspaper guys and it is enjoyable to make fun of them. simple as
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One of the more common and socially acceptable ways to sexually harass people at DSA meetings is to say that they're "too hot to trot," or as they call it, bappin'
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khazar sansculotte posted:One of the more common and socially acceptable ways to sexually harass people at DSA meetings is to say that they're "too hot to trot," or as they call it, bappin' joepinetree posted:At its pre-pandemic peak there was certainly a major contingent of creepy guys who legitimately thought "it's ok, im just being sex positive" was a good excuse for hitting on every woman in the org.
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A lot has happened. It's time for a new DSA thread, with that as the op
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some insanely good DSA stories that should be consolidated into the OP of a new thread
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War and Pieces posted:As anyone cracked the code on the Trotskyist-to-NeoCon pipeline? to quote a friend of mine, a neocon is a trotskyist with a teenaged daughter
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Son of Sorrow posted:If you want a much deeper discussion of this, I encourage you to take it to the Marxism thread. But in brief: Trotsky was right imo. But he was such an obnoxious goon about it that he managed to get himself killed. but he was too gooned up to the gils that even being technically right is irrelevant in the end. that’s a vital lesson: never go full gooned
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bedpan posted:some insanely good DSA stories that should be consolidated into the OP of a new thread Sorry, no room in the budget for a new thread this year.
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trotsky was, incidentally, not even theoretically correct, because it was stalin's policy of socialism in one country that allowed the ussr to build up and defeat the nazis before supporting other socialist states around the globe, and cuba, china, vietnam, and so on are all holding strong even now. there is no way to simply wait until the time is right and then launch a global revolution in order to win at one stroke; you have to take and hold territory as the opportunity rises, as is going on right now, and support national, religious, or otherwise particularistic revolts against capitalist hegemony, as are going on right now
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Ferrinus posted:trotsky was, incidentally, not even theoretically correct, because it was stalin's policy of socialism in one country that allowed the ussr to build up and defeat the nazis before supporting other socialist states around the globe, and cuba, china, vietnam, and so on are all holding strong even now. hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds follow up: is it your contention here that the USSR under Stalin generally supported the CCP over the KMT and is responsible for its success
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Cassian of Imola posted:hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds if you're going to pretend that you don't understand why the molotov-ribbentrop pact happened how can you possibly be trusted to discuss the rest of socialist history
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Cassian of Imola posted:hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds Hell yeah
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Stalin loved the Nazis, and Nazi ideology. He smooched every Nazi member he could find. This was true of the whole Petrograd Soviet and thus trickled down to the entire USSR system. This is why WW2 was mostly just German and Soviet troops pretending to shoot each other and die in huge numbers. Typical smoke and mirrors operation.
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Cassian of Imola posted:hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds Lmfao
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Russian guy still laying on the ground at Kursk pretending to be dead. Never give up, never surrender.
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