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Governor Pritzker trying to save Mayor Johnson from himself.
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xbilkis posted:https://twitter.com/TinaSfon/status/1783198731308802204 The lobbyist I know that's currently in Springfield texted me that there's a ton of resistance to the Bears plan right now. That can obviously change of course.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:17
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The sheer gall of the Bears in suggesting this deal is, frankly, impressive. "We hosed you over last time, please let us do it again!"
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Apr 24, 2024 20:23
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sweet geek swag posted:The sheer gall of the Bears in suggesting this deal is, frankly, impressive. "We hosed you over last time, please let us do it again!" Technically - we haven't stopped loving you, but want to keep doing it for another 40 years at minimum.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:29
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sweet geek swag posted:The sheer gall of the Bears in suggesting this deal is, frankly, impressive. "We hosed you over last time, please let us do it again!" There is something perversely hilarious about Ted Phillips' final masterpiece being the purchase of Arlington National, then Kevin Warren was literally hired to shepherd the development of the project, and now the Bears, after getting into a snit with Arlington Heights' school districts, are turning around and begging for billions in taxpayer money for a stadium that is going to be even more inaccessible.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:38
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In Wisconsin the stadium poo poo is shockingly drama free, both the Bucks and Brewers got new stadium funding in pretty easily recently. They figured out to look at the income taxes that are generated by the team and allocate a portion of that for the funding. Done. Take that flatlanders flat income tax.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:41
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ZombieCrew posted:"Remain skeptical" means he hasnt been paid off yet. Dont worry. He'll come around. JB is like someone who isn't going to get paid off. He arguably does not give a poo poo about Chicago or Illinois, except in the way that he wants to be President. So he is going to keep his nose clean as hell of unpopular things. If the Bears stadium plan is unpopular, he is not going to be able to be bought off because he cares more about becoming president than making some small time illinois politics money, as he is already a goddamn billionaire.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:41
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Timby posted:There is something perversely hilarious about Ted Phillips' final masterpiece being the purchase of Arlington National, then Kevin Warren was literally hired to shepherd the development of the project, and now the Bears, after getting into a snit with Arlington Heights' school districts, are turning around and begging for billions in taxpayer money for a stadium that is going to be even more inaccessible. It'll be the crown jewel of the lakefront! also we're going to need a bunch of new offramps next to it to make it look like the Bryne interchange
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Apr 24, 2024 20:42
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These parking lots next to the stadium are hideous. What a waste of good lakefront space.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:45
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Looks like Sewell deal also includes lions picking up his 5th year option before the extension kicks in. If so this deal is super reasonable as it won't even start for 2 years.
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Apr 24, 2024 21:08
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SKULL.GIF posted:These parking lots next to the stadium are hideous. What a waste of good lakefront space. well they wanted to put a second stadium there and look what's happening
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Apr 24, 2024 21:25
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Wouldn't this be hard to pass even if there was political support? The Obama Presidential Library seemed to take years and that was just a library from its most famous resident. George Lucas bailed on an art museum due to the hassle. I can't imagine the legal hurdles a dome stadium with a ton of parking lots would have compared to those.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:06
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Hand Row posted:In Wisconsin the stadium poo poo is shockingly drama free, both the Bucks and Brewers got new stadium funding in pretty easily recently. They figured out to look at the income taxes that are generated by the team and allocate a portion of that for the funding. Done. Actually I think that it's just a matter of our gerrymandered legislature is more easily sold to the highest bidder. That and a prominent republican senator owns a bar in like, Saukville or something that just to happens to have bus service to Brewers and Bucks games. Also, just a few months after the state agreed to throw half a billion dollars at Miller Park, MPS passed a $300 million referendum required to keep basic functions of the district up and running. The way I look at it if the state had given that $500 million to our schools instead of a billionaire owner from California there would have been no need to pass a referendum and thereby raise my taxes. In short, gently caress billionaires.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:47
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The Bucks and Brewers could also theoretically move to different markets if they wanted. The Bears can't really do that. So when it comes to funding, who has more power? JB or Brandon? Brandon's tenure has been such a colossal failure that I can see him pushing this through to take attention away from his other mistakes. Maybe he thinks being the "Mayor who saved the Bears" will get him re-elected. He's incredibly dumb but I hope doesn't have the power to do this on his own.
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Apr 24, 2024 23:11
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ZombieCrew posted:"Remain skeptical" means he hasnt been paid off yet. Dont worry. He'll come around. I just don't see why JB would get on board. It's an incredibly unpopular plan. The guy has aspirations for the Presidency. Why does he care where the Bears play? There's just no upside in this for him.
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Apr 24, 2024 23:13
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Obviously there’s room for “why not both?” but I appreciate the Bears trying to direct their gently caress up to the stadium and not the #1 pick.
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Apr 24, 2024 23:20
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Niwrad posted:The Bucks and Brewers could also theoretically move to different markets if they wanted. The Bears can't really do that. JB definitely has more control just because the state has way more money. The city can’t fund this all on their own.
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Apr 24, 2024 23:21
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Presumably one of the reasons Brandon is behind this is because he gets to say "None of the stadium is being funded by city residents!" and on paper, it's true*. If the City actually had to find its own money for this it would be political suicide to endorse it *just ignore the fact that the hotel tax didn't come close to funding the Soldier Field renovations as planned
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Apr 25, 2024 00:25
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I'm not going to Bears games anyway because even lovely seats cost a bajillion dollars and are usually in below freezing temps. I don't care if the stadium is actually in the city of Chicago. A shitload of teams don't play in the actual city they're named after. Pay for your own drat stadium. The Ricketts did and they're still making money hand over fist. I've been surprisingly ok with Pritzker so far, and I trust that he's not gonna just hand out money to the Bears.
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Apr 25, 2024 00:55
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I'm not going to Bears games anyway because even lovely seats cost a bajillion dollars and are usually in below freezing temps. I don't care if the stadium is actually in the city of Chicago. A shitload of teams don't play in the actual city they're named after. Pay for your own drat stadium. The Ricketts did and they're still making money hand over fist. Hey the new stadium will be a dome at least.
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Apr 25, 2024 01:03
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Jared Goff imo
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Apr 25, 2024 02:07
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Rewatching this guy in honour of Mega-Extension Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0KHOetu_A e: fookin' hell the new episode is 100 minutes long tinstaach fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 02:20
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My last post was a jab a corrupt politicians from IL. I have no knowledge of JB. I dont live in state anymore. Sorry it landed flat.trevorreznik posted:Technically - we haven't stopped loving you, but want to keep doing it for another 40 years at minimum. I hope i have a committed and active relationship for that long.
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Apr 25, 2024 03:06
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I've been surprisingly ok with Pritzker so far, and I trust that he's not gonna just hand out money to the Bears. Pritzker is one of the few politicians that honestly, I might not mind seeing become president. I'm full of bad opinions, but the Democratic Party could (and has) do far worse.
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Apr 25, 2024 03:33
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Canned Sunshine posted:Pritzker is one of the few politicians that honestly, I might not mind seeing become president. I'm full of bad opinions, but the Democratic Party could (and has) do far worse. Pritzker is a good govenor who inherited a tire fire.
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Apr 25, 2024 03:43
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It is extremely funny that the key to being the first uncorruptible Illinois politician is to be richer than your potential bribers. Extremely unfunny that Brandon Johnson is like the ultimate centrist stereotype of the progressive who talks a big game and can't get anything done. He might actually put up sub-Lori approval ratings. I don't live there anymore but every time I see something about the state of the CTA I get sympathetically angry.
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Apr 25, 2024 04:08
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What's funny is that the CTA is actually appreciably more reliable now than it was for the last part of Lightfoot's term, partially because of natural post-COVID recovery, partially because people got so mad at Dorval Carter that he finally felt compelled to actually do some stuff. But Brandon is completely missing out on any opportunity to take credit for that or build on those improvements because he's being weirdly stubborn about firing Carter (zero people in his constituency would be opposed to this move/the vast majority would applaud it) and doesn't really seem to care about transportation stuff in general, even though it's a layup area for improvement and he badly needs good publicity Uhh anyway Da Bears
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Apr 25, 2024 05:25
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Johnson being more inept than Lightfoot is one of the more inexplicable things. She made like everyone mad and you've made them even more mad! Lori had some entertaining moments and you've been either pissing people off or being absent? I do not get it.
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Apr 25, 2024 05:41
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The CTA is really bad still. Also Brandon Johnson called him President Warren in an interview like the guy was elected to the position. When is the next mayoral election?
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Apr 25, 2024 05:42
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Dexo posted:JB is like someone who isn't going to get paid off. There’s no way that moron gets elected when both Gavin and Big Gretch are in similar positions and have bigger name recognition
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Apr 25, 2024 06:00
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:There’s no way that moron gets elected when both Gavin and Big Gretch are in similar positions and have bigger name recognition It's probably better for him to be under the radar right now. He has 4 years The DNC is in Chicago, this is gonna be his unveiling. Dexo fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 06:03
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https://x.com/_NickWhalen/status/1783465785479868482
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Apr 25, 2024 13:03
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Build the statue!
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Apr 25, 2024 14:08
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Can go next to the David Tepper statue I'm petitioning for in front of the columns when the new Stadium is built on the lakefront.
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Apr 25, 2024 14:10
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well this is the last day Caleb Williams gets to feel like a big deal quarterback before he becomes remanded to the dustbin of bears history.
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Apr 25, 2024 15:45
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Hand Row posted:In Wisconsin the stadium poo poo is shockingly drama free, both the Bucks and Brewers got new stadium funding in pretty easily recently. They figured out to look at the income taxes that are generated by the team and allocate a portion of that for the funding. Done. For Fiserv, the City in particular used something called Tax Incremental Financing, which gave the project $47 million, but all that money is paid for by the increase of property tax revenue of the project area for up to 27 years. So, it goes down on paper as the city spends $47 million when the reality is that $47 million wouldn't exist without the project. Now it absolutely is possible that you can gently caress up making the district and end up with an underwater project, just as its likely the project ends up underwater because politicians keep loving with the pay the bond off money to pay for other stuff too. But, its not like that money exists and could have gone to schools and roads instead.
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Apr 25, 2024 15:46
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I've resigned myself to Fashanu and believe he'll be a mild upgrade at LT. Safe, boring pick just like Wright last year. Thank God for the miracle of Lovie + Tepper adding DJ Moore + Caleb Williams on top of bookend tackles.
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Apr 25, 2024 15:48
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Jimong5 posted:But, its not like that money exists and could have gone to schools and roads instead. I never understand this logic. That money could exist for schools and roads instead, it's as easy as passing similar property or other taxes to pay for it. It doesn't really matter all that much if you're using existing funds or new funds to pay for a stadium, it's still money going to a billionaire that could be going to public needs.
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Apr 25, 2024 15:50
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trevorreznik posted:I've resigned myself to Fashanu and believe he'll be a mild upgrade at LT. Safe, boring pick just like Wright last year. Fashanu would be a significant upgrade at LT. I honestly don't get why people are down on him. Also Wright wasnt just a safe, boring pick. He showed flashes of being a difference maker.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:I never understand this logic. That money could exist for schools and roads instead, it's as easy as passing similar property or other taxes to pay for it. It doesn't really matter all that much if you're using existing funds or new funds to pay for a stadium, it's still money going to a billionaire that could be going to public needs. They build something. Property taxes go up due to increased value. Increased property taxes service the debt. Its a loan with extra steps, but it goes on the books as a handout because of where the risk is. Sometimes it gets hosed up and takes 40 years to pay off for various reasons, and sometimes it is paid off in 4 years and the municipality can reap the benefits elsewhere for the next 20 years. I'm confused where you would think the revenue would come from without the new thing being built? The point of financing things this way is the tax increase is localized to the new project.
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