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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Anderson Koopa posted:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams

The teams that got an A+ were the following:

Chicago Bears
Cleveland Browns
LA Chargers
New England Patriots (my team, we only have 2 starters left from that class).

Surely these teams must have seen a lot of success in the post season with their superior drafting 3 years ago.

Time cures all ills.

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Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1784224101189509224

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
I like the idea that a bunch of draftniks copy each other to come to a consensus and then people give grades based on that consensus. It seems so childish to be like you took a guy high who I had low, F-, you took a guy low who I had high, A++!!

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Yeah I don't give a poo poo about draft grades lol

The draft is funny because the public will be like "oh my God that's a reaaaach", and then it comes out like a couple of days later that like a conga line of teams were about to take that player one to two picks later.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Then the player sucks and the cycle starts anew

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Then the player sucks and the cycle starts anew

Or the player is great and the GM poo poo talks the media about their draft class.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

gently caress the pundits. I'm happy with the Panthers draft.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Actually I lied Draft grades are good

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
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Dexo posted:

Actually I lied Draft grades are good



I legitimately wanted that punter.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

People like to lmao at specialists but bad special teams sinks seasons and gets head coaches fired just as bad as a bad defense or offense these days. He's a gun talent and has game changing kicking ability. I had 0 issues with the bears pick.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
I love it. Trenton Gill was rear end last year.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
RE: draft grades

Glances at the Falcons ....

Silly Burrito posted:

I legitimately wanted that punter.

You'll take your UDFA and like it.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



I knew I was a true football degenerate when my reaction to the Bears drafting a punter was to jump out of my chair and yell "gently caress yeah!"

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Dexo posted:

Actually I lied Draft grades are good



Tory Taylor rules so hard


Him and DeJean were the only reason Iowa scored any points

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

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wandler20 posted:

RE: draft grades

Glances at the Falcons ....

You'll take your UDFA and like it.

Our Aussie punter last year was kind of rear end, so let's get another.

Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

Cartridgeblowers fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Apr 28, 2024

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

That's very cool

Comfortador
Jul 31, 2003

Just give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have.

Wait...wait.

I worry what you just heard was...
"Give me a lot of b4con_n_3ggs."

What I said was...
"Give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have"

...Do you understand?

Dexo posted:

Actually I lied Draft grades are good

Lol reading that Rollercoaster was fun.

Black Sunshine
Apr 4, 2004

LEFT 4 DEAD IS A LOT LIKE FOOTBALL - I JERK OFF TO BOTH

BlindSite posted:

People like to lmao at specialists but bad special teams sinks seasons and gets head coaches fired just as bad as a bad defense or offense these days. He's a gun talent and has game changing kicking ability. I had 0 issues with the bears pick.

Half the reason why the Raiders didn't pick #1 overall for most of the 2000's was because they had a fantastic special teams unit.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

it was his college that taught him that. everyone knows

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Jermaine Burton alarms going off

Gareth Gobulcoque
Jan 10, 2008



Bears and Dolphins really did crush it this draft though

Gareth Gobulcoque fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Apr 28, 2024

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

lol

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

This rules, congrats on being a bad influence

Amy Pole Her
Jun 17, 2002
Lmao the edit cracks me up

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

i can't believe you influenced a kid into a life of bengalism

LiquidFriend
Apr 5, 2005

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

:lol:

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

In hindsight, his essay "Studies in Greatness: John Wayne Gacy" should have been a red flag

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

https://youtu.be/glB8HeQtaZY?si=5Uwc2sPU_Kx2xUCr

bows1
May 16, 2004

Chill, whale, chill
https://x.com/kfitz134/status/1784324831531471235?s=46&t=G8Aq6A5iUmw5R1Z4gfWSjw

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

Cartridgeblowers posted:

I don't know much about college football but a kid I taught in eighth grade got drafted to the Bengals so that's cool

Edit: oh no apparently he's a bad person uhhhh well I didn't teach him that I just taught him how to write essays

This is a HIPPA violation

Comfortador
Jul 31, 2003

Just give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have.

Wait...wait.

I worry what you just heard was...
"Give me a lot of b4con_n_3ggs."

What I said was...
"Give me all the 3ggs_n_b4con you have"

...Do you understand?

Asproigerosis posted:

This is a HIPPA violation

Is that like a female Hippo? (It's HIPAA :) )

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t

Doltos posted:

I like the idea that a bunch of draftniks copy each other to come to a consensus and then people give grades based on that consensus. It seems so childish to be like you took a guy high who I had low, F-, you took a guy low who I had high, A++!!

It is absolutely this, it feels like everyone is just copying each other's homework, very few people take risks that aren't dumb hot-takes for engagement. I have never seen a college game and I could easily make a convincing mock draft just by aggregating 5 other writers. I like to review old draft articles or discussions with the benefit of a few years of hindsight just to see how consistently wrong they all are and how meaningless any of this analysis is.

Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 28, 2024

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

The consensus mock aggregates are shockingly accurate and decent indicators. The success of individual draft pick of course varies wildly (Ex/ any OL prospect that goes to Coach Callahan is going to have a higher chance of succeeding than an OL prospect that goes to somebody like Coach Cable) but the overall exercise of grades isn’t without merit.

And most importantly, it’s fun :)

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Alright I didn't love him as a prospect but now I love him as a person

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Based on his press conference, Keon and practical joker Josh Allen should get on like a house on fire.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1784672938295259426
https://twitter.com/LogansTwitty/status/1784349890421653920
https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1784385995409924332
Considering that Diggs was the embodiment of "WR tweet: the enemy speaks kindly & holds a knife" , the contrast couldn't be more stark.

Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Apr 28, 2024

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Someone aggregated all the lovely post-draft grades so you don’t have to bother clicking.

https://twitter.com/rnbwcv/status/1784675268193305036?s=46

Anderson Koopa
Jun 9, 2006

Diva Cupcake posted:

Someone aggregated all the lovely post-draft grades so you don’t have to bother clicking.

https://twitter.com/rnbwcv/status/1784675268193305036?s=46

Looking at that one Atlanta Falcons draft grade like :nws:(It's from Super Troopers, so it isn't egregious, but the guy is missing some clothing)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWplN5sA14:nws:

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

It’s appropriate because Charles McDonald is a Falcons fan.

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Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
Forgive me if anyone else has brought this up, but isn't the "always trade down" crowd missing the obvious that this is only a functional strategy if you have someone willing to give a fair value for the trade down?

Takes two to tango and all that. The NFL is very chummy so it wouldn't be surprising if there were plenty of times a team would maybe wish to trade down, but none of their friend-teams were interested, so you just make the pick.


different but related thing
There was a guy on kevin clark's podcast talking about how you should value a draft by the second contract values of the picks, which is fine but the value of the rookie deal is huge part of why a pick in itself is valuable. Teams really like a functional player on a cheap deal. Even if their second contract is just at the median, those initial cheap years are great ROI.

Also ignores developmental guys whose second deals will be lower

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 29, 2024

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