When Footballers Go Feral: big Tom givin a horse a handbeezy

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Shrapnig: Jan 21, 2005

Thanks Ants posted:

Seems like Wolves have started a game of process of elimination

https://twitter.com/Wolves/status/1783077219293651307

The only speculation I saw about Wolves was a single Reddit post.

# ? Apr 24, 2024 14:38

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# ? May 18, 2024 13:53

Insurrectionist: May 21, 2007

Thanks Ants posted:

Seems like Wolves have started a game of process of elimination

https://twitter.com/Wolves/status/1783077219293651307

PR FIGHT PR FIGHT

surely this is for the best for all parties involved, and not a weird + cowardly reaction for no reason

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:01

Bogan Krkic: Oct 31, 2010; Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

i really hope 18 other clubs come out with the same statement now

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:02

Nuclear Spoon: Aug 18, 2010; I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive

or they just don't want reddit detectives incorrectly accusing two of their young players of being rapists

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:02

the sex ghost: Sep 6, 2009

Bogan Krkic posted:

i really hope 18 other clubs come out with the same statement now

'Bagsy not it' but for players being charged with rape. Incredibly bleak

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:05

Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi: Mar 26, 2005

I honestly don't think Wolves would issue a statement like that in a vacuum. I'm guessing some young Wolves players actually did get harassed or threatened on socials or even on their personal phones/at home, which triggered the club to take action by way of that post.

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:38

Shrapnig: Jan 21, 2005

They were the only club I saw openly mentioned by name, and the only club with two 19 year olds who played this weekend other than United (Garnacho, Mainoo)

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:41

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016

Did any article say they played ? Could've been reserves at the stadium.

In any case I hope it's like the F1 thing and all 20 premier league clubs come out with a statement like that

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:46

Shrapnig: Jan 21, 2005

No, this is all speculation from one reddit post

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:50

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

jesus WEP posted:

i miss when this thread was about someone crashing their lambo into a fence or punching a dj in a dispute over phil collins

look once a footballer becomes an international fugitive for being involved in a major drug operation while playing football in russia theres no coming back

# ? Apr 24, 2024 15:53

Literally Lewis Hamilton: Feb 22, 2005

I saw Liverpool mentioned a few times

# ? Apr 24, 2024 18:05

bradburypancakes: Sep 9, 2014; hmm. hmmmmmmmm

Watch a British libel suit be the thing that finally does SA in

# ? Apr 25, 2024 03:05

emjayo: Apr 11, 2013

"Pooshited" - Oxbridge-educated KC at the Old Bailey.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:03

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

We know it's not Chelsea, there's no way they'd have 2 19 year olds and not lend them out to a random shithole like Galatasary, Heerenveen or worse, Newcastle.

# ? Apr 28, 2024 10:36

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

You could probably do with a good functioning left back right now

# ? Apr 28, 2024 11:12

BrigadierSensible: Feb 16, 2012; I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

The Mirror says that the two alleged rapists have been suspended by their club.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-players-rape-suspended-32667375

# ? Apr 28, 2024 12:46

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016

So they can't say which club suspended their two players, but can sports pages report that x club have suspended two players for unknown reasons?

# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:25

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

I will never get used to the differences between the UK and US press in reporting crimes

# ? Apr 29, 2024 15:42

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I will never get used to the differences between the UK and US press in reporting crimes

It's especially fascinating when considering that his recent death means a lot of people are reliving the loving media circus that was the O.J. Simpson Murder Trial.

Not only could you watch the whole trial on TV, but you could watch a pregame & postgame on Court TV, and if you were in L.A. you could go get street food and merchandise right outside the courthouse.

# ? Apr 30, 2024 01:52

Rascar Capac: Aug 31, 2016; Surprisingly nice, for an evil Inca mummy.

This is not a crime, but he has very definitely gone feral.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

# ? Apr 30, 2024 09:29

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Rascar Capac posted:

This is not a crime, but he has very definitely gone feral.

You say feral, I say hilarious.

# ? Apr 30, 2024 10:01

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

lol

�However once I got her up in the sky it was smooth all the way from there and shout out to my instructor Geoff who was guiding me all the way. This is an experience I will cherish for the rest of my life. Fail Park looks like an even bigger sh*t hole from the Sky.�

# ? Apr 30, 2024 11:18

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Rascar Capac posted:

This is not a crime, but he has very definitely gone feral.

lol

# ? Apr 30, 2024 12:03

jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

lomzus posted:

lol

�However once I got her up in the sky it was smooth all the way from there and shout out to my instructor Geoff who was guiding me all the way. This is an experience I will cherish for the rest of my life. Fail Park looks like an even bigger sh*t hole from the Sky.�

lmao what a boss

# ? Apr 30, 2024 12:23

Cannon_Fodder: Jul 17, 2007; "Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

Finally, a heartwarming tale

# ? Apr 30, 2024 12:53

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

Rascar Capac posted:

This is not a crime, but he has very definitely gone feral.

this dude rules

# ? Apr 30, 2024 15:43

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

ilmucche posted:

So they can't say which club suspended their two players, but can sports pages report that x club have suspended two players for unknown reasons?

Also it's going to be pretty obvious, like that time an Everton player aged 31 was arrested and they only had 2 and one of them played the next game and Gylfi Sigurosson didn't play for them again for some unknown reason.

# ? Apr 30, 2024 15:44

Lightbulb Grease: Aug 9, 2006; Oh, hi girls. Tom Cruise here.; Soiled Meat

Rascar Capac posted:

This is not a crime, but he has very definitely gone feral.

This made me want to look more into Ryan Burge, and I gotta say, lol

# ? Apr 30, 2024 17:44

FullLeatherJacket: Dec 30, 2004; Chiunque pu� essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

as far as I can tell his grievance against Port Vale is that they didn't allow him to become manager, as a 28-year-old nonleague player with zero background in coaching

# ? Apr 30, 2024 18:17

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

FullLeatherJacket posted:

as far as I can tell his grievance against Port Vale is that they didn't allow him to become manager, as a 28-year-old nonleague player with zero background in coaching

could this be because you're getting your information from biased websites like Wikipedia rather than objective sources like Ryanburge.co.uk?

# ? Apr 30, 2024 18:58

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

So that domain is available

# ? Apr 30, 2024 19:32

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

Create an infinite feedback loop by buying it and making it a redirect to his wikipedia page.

EDIT : Someone literally already did.

Dudley fucked around with this message at 12:46 on May 3, 2024

# ? May 3, 2024 12:44

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

It wasn't me but lol

# ? May 3, 2024 12:51

mycatscrimes: Jan 2, 2020

I like that his first example when responding to a wiki editor is that he is six feet tall but their article lists him as five ten.

# ? May 3, 2024 13:06

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

Transfermarkt says he's 6ft.

It also says he's been playing for his current club "Career Break" since 2017.

# ? May 3, 2024 15:45

Akbar: Nov 22, 2004; Hubba-
Hubba.

Dudley posted:

Transfermarkt says he's 6ft.

It also says he's been playing for his current club "Career Break" since 2017.

same, transfermarkt, same

# ? May 4, 2024 07:53

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

I should probably let them know I retired from International Football.

# ? May 4, 2024 09:18

Akbar: Nov 22, 2004; Hubba-
Hubba.

quote:

The Football Association has secretly issued a lifetime ban to a former Chelsea coach in the bullying and racism scandal that led to the club paying out-of-court settlements to a number of former youth-team players.

Gwyn Williams, who held a number of prominent roles at Stamford Bridge for 27 years, was given the biggest punishment available to English football’s governing body after a safeguarding investigation ruled he posed “a risk of harm to children within affiliated football”.

Until now, however, the ban, issued in 2019, has never been made public because the FA takes the unusual stance of not announcing punishments for safeguarding matters — even if it means keeping information from whistleblowers and victims.

In Williams’ case, the people who exposed him were not informed of the decision, even though it involves a high-profile case relating to a Premier League club, a senior figure in the football industry and considerable public interest. As such, many of the victims of Williams’ racist tendencies have never known he was removed from the sport, in the FA’s ruling, “to protect children”.

Williams, 76, was widely seen to have retired after a long career in which he held huge influence at Stamford Bridge and worked with the first team for managers such as Claudio Ranieri and Jose Mourinho. Williams was a close ally to former chairman Ken Bates and widely credited for discovering the young John Terry, a future Chelsea and England captain.

In reality, Williams is banned from football, in every respect bar playing, after subjecting boys as young as 12 to what an inquiry by children’s charity Barnardo’s described as a “daily tirade of racial abuse”.

The FA’s safeguarding and risk assessment reports, which have been seen by The Athletic, also reveal that Graham Rix, formerly Chelsea’s youth-team coach, was suspended from March 2017 to March 2019 while the FA investigated his part in the scandal.

Although this was never announced by the FA, the documents show Rix is serving a lifetime ban from under-18 girls’ football because of his 1999 conviction, aged 41, for two offences of underage sex with a girl of 15. He served half of a 12-month prison sentence before being released and immediately going back to his old job at Chelsea.

Now 66, Rix is the manager of Fareham Town of the Wessex Football League and was previously at AFC Portchester, another part-time Hampshire team. Rix, who won 17 England caps during his playing career with Arsenal, had to undertake a series of educational sessions as part of the FA’s decision to lift his interim suspension.

A safeguarding panel decision in 2019 concluded that Rix “may pose a risk of harm” to children in terms of emotional abuse. However, the FA ruled it did not have enough evidence to substantiate the allegations of racism that were presented to the governing body and later formed part of a High Court action against Chelsea.

Again, the FA kept its findings quiet. “Publication of details can have serious consequences,” the organisation explains in a media guide, addressing its policy on reporting safeguarding suspensions. “This includes re-traumatising victims and/or causing them to re-live harmful abusive experiences. In addition, vigilantism can have harmful effects on innocent people connected to those involved in safeguarding cases.”

The FA’s safeguarding team interviewed 15 witnesses as part of its investigation into Williams, including former colleagues, a number of the players who were abused, and other witnesses from the 1980s and 1990s. The majority confirmed they had heard the Welshman being racist, aggressive and bullying on numerous occasions.

“The language he used towards the black players sometimes was atrocious, shocking,” one well-known former player told the investigation. “He would use all sorts of language. You name it, he said it. He’d use the N-word, black b******. I think he’d said pretty much everything at some point.”

“He would never say it on matchdays where Joe Public was around,” said another player, granted anonymity in the High Court as one of the men, now in their forties and fifties, who successfully sued Chelsea in 2022. “I used to get it systematically — near enough day in, day out, being called a lazy black b******. A little n*****. You name it, I received it.”

In coming to its judgment, the FA considered that Williams had been the subject of two complaints to the Metropolitan Police, including an allegation of sexual assault against one Chelsea youth-team player.

One police investigation lasted seven months and the other three months, without either leading to charges. In both cases, evidence was passed to the FA that Williams had denied any wrongdoing but otherwise said “no comment” throughout his police interviews. The FA decided he did not pose a sexual risk to children.

A 51-page report written by Stefania Sacco, the FA’s safeguarding investigations manager, makes it clear that the former PE teacher tried everything he could, it seems, to avoid answering the FA’s questions.

According to Sacco, the FA emailed his solicitor, Eddie Johns, on eight occasions from February 5 to March 14, 2019, proposing various dates for an interview and copying in Williams every time.

Williams and Johns, she explains, were impossible to pin down, neither accepting nor turning down the dates or even indicating whether Williams was interested in giving his version of events. When a final date was offered and it was made clear it would be the FA’s last attempt to speak to him, there was no reply.

“If Mr Williams had attended an interview, the FA would have had the opportunity to assess whether Mr Williams has any insight about the harm he has caused some players and his understanding about safeguarding,” Sacco writes. “Without this, the FA is able to rely only on the evidence that has been made available.”

Ted Dale, formerly Chelsea’s youth-team coach and assistant academy director, did agree to be interviewed and was asked on a number of occasions whether he had heard Williams being racist.

Dale joined Chelsea in 1980, a year after Williams, and spent 22 years working alongside a man who was described by one former youth-team player from that time as running “a mini apartheid state”.

“I witnessed some comments that I felt, ‘That’s a bit close, that’s a bit near the mark’,” Dale told the investigation. “But never any comments that were racially motivated.”

Dale moved to the FA in 2013 as a senior national coach educator and that could be awkward for the governing body bearing in mind his testimony was openly questioned by the safeguarding team.

“The FA is of the view that Mr Dale was being very careful in what he would state during the interview,” Sacco writes. “This might have been because he was being asked to remember facts that had happened 20 to 25 years previously and also it could be perceived that he did not want to get Mr Williams into trouble."

The FA’s report concluded that Williams “misused the power entrusted in him, causing emotional harm to some of the young players who felt unable to stop his behaviour”.

It was, according to the FA, a culture whereby Williams used racist terms so routinely that it had become, to many, the norm. “Some people stopped questioning its appropriateness and whether anyone was being offended by it, thus continuing to perpetuate the racial abuse by leaving it unchallenged.”

After leaving Chelsea in 2006, Williams had seven years as technical director at Leeds United, where he was reunited with Bates. Williams was sacked by Leeds for gross misconduct after emailing pornographic images to colleagues, including a female member of staff. He went on to have three years as a scout for Hull City.

Johns, who represents Rix and Williams, emailed the FA at one point to argue that any suspension for Williams was “disproportionate and wrong”. Johns, a solicitor for the London legal firm Lawrence Stephens, argued there had been “a gap of many years where Mr Williams worked in football without complaint”.

However, the FA’s safeguarding review panel concluded that Williams had been guilty of “vile abuse” after being placed in a position of trust and that “the only practicable solution is a permanent suspension”.

The three-person panel, chaired by Christopher Quinlan KC, met on May 16, 2019, to consider the risk assessment report.

“The purpose of the order is to protect children,” it concluded. “It is not to punish Gwyn Williams. They (children) are at risk when he is coaching or in some other authoritative role.”

The Athletic contacted Johns to ask if Rix or Williams would comment. He did not reply.

this story just kept on going

# ? May 8, 2024 07:49

greazeball: Feb 4, 2003

Akbar posted:

this story just kept on going

Jesus loving Christ. It just gets worse and worse and then at the end they come right out and admit they don't even really want to punish him... Holy poo poo abolish the loving FA goddamn

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# ? May 18, 2024 13:53

greazeball: Feb 4, 2003

In lighter news (somewhat), Joey Barton is going to get reamed in court and probably lose all his money, so that's something.

�Bankruptcy awaits� Joey Barton as libel cases filed

quote:

Joey Barton could be facing bankruptcy over social media posts that have prompted costly libel action to be taken against him, a former lawyer has claimed.

BBC Radio 2 host Jeremy Vine is suing the ex-footballer for calling him a �bike nonce� in a social media post.

Barton uploaded an image on X, formerly Twitter, featuring Vine and disgraced TV presenter Rolf Harris, together with the comment: �Oh Jeremy Vine. Did you, Rolf-aroo and Schofield go out on a tandem bike ride? You big bike nonce ya!�

A libel claim has been filed at the High Court, naming Vine as the claimant and former Man City, QPR, and Newcastle midfielder Barton as the defendant.

It is the second libel case brought against Barton as a result of his recent activity on social media.

TV pundit and ex-footballer Eni Aluko is also suing him after an online attack about her family, after a series of social media posts about female football pundits and Aluko herself.

According to Clive Wismayer, a former civil litigation solicitor, the legal action could land Barton in serious financial stress.

Similar action taken against actor Laurence Fox has resulted in costs and damages of �2.2 million which do not include his own costs, Wismayer says.

A Go Fund Me promoted by Barton in March to help him �take on� Jeremy Vine has raised �15,934 of its �100,000 target.

# ? May 8, 2024 09:11

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