https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cguou0/update_from_ahgs_on_ricochets_and_shrapnel_changes/ posted:

Hey, everyone!

The teams have been hard at work testing a number of community issues today, mainly focused on the changes to ricochets and shrapnel. In response to a previous front page post we looked into the possibility of rockets and other explosives being affected by ricochets. This has since been debunked by the community, but nonetheless, our Ministry of Defense team also ran a number of tests today and confirmed that rockets and explosives are not ricocheting.

However, we have noticed another issue through these posts and community feedback that has identified the possibility for shots from the R-36 Eruptor to explode and rebound shrapnel at the shooter, which has a high enough damage value to instantly kill the player. To prevent this, we're looking to completely remove the shrapnel effect from the Eruptor but will be increasing its hit damage as a result. This should make it less lethal to the operator but just as powerful against enemies. It should maintain its destructive power, and as it is still classed as explosive, it will not lose the ability to break objects, close holes, destroy fabricators, etc. This will, overall, be a buff to the weapon as shrapnel played an almost negligible part in the damage and power it dealt. Its AOE will be unaffected.

Currently, with the systems in place, only small arms should be able to ricochet on armor. If you see an explosive VFX at the point of impact, the projectile is not causing a ricochet, as explosion effects are not triggered when a ricochet occurs. Shrapnel, however, can still explode outwards from the point of impact and kill the player.

We apologize for this misunderstanding and thank you all for investigating these new changes so diligently, and for passing on your feedback to us. Hopefully this makes sense and these changes should help everyone survive better!

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Friends don't let friends equip the Dagger

Sagebrush posted:

See people keep saying that the laser weapons have no ammo limits, but the actual infinite ammo guns are the electric ones. Where's my electric pistol and electric grenade to go along with my electric shotgun and electric machine gun and electric tower

LazyMaybe posted:

No, they're not ricochets/deflections. They're the yellow shrapnel projectiles eruptor shots release in all directions when they explode.
It's done that the whole time it's been in the game, the only thing that changed is that now the shrapnel can damage the person who fired the eruptor shot. Before they would only impact enemies and teammates.

The devs just a bit ago put out an announcement confirming that it's not ricochets, but instead shrapnel from the shot. As a result they're going to remove the eruptor's shrapnel(so it won't sometimes kill you with bad rng) and boost its explosive AoE to compensate.

NmareBfly posted:

I saw people saying ballistic shield plus dagger is actually pretty good vs bots, you can just shield up and do headshots all day. I have not tried myself.

Guess I'll find out after I grab cutting edge...

Slyphic posted:

That's not really a terrain or weapon problem, that's the new hosed up ricochet mechanic. Devs thought it would be LOL to take one-in-a-million ricochets directly back at your face from your own gun and make them 1-in-1000 and also instantly fatal.

two steps forward, one step back

Sagebrush posted:

So do you think the developers have like a special testing environment setup that is somehow different from the actual game we are all playing, or did they really play test the thermite grenade and go "yep, this is what it should do: absolutely loving nothing"

LazyMaybe posted:

Right after reading this, I went and did 2 helldive blitzes with randoms back to back, using sickle as my primary .
Slightly different stratagem loadouts between them for variety, but both took grenade launcher, my beloved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQajk3Q6VM

HSO made essentially practical difference whatsoever. Someone else took it the first time but we had very few deaths, and no one took it the second time which didn't hold us back at all.
Not that it would have made any difference to my build, particularly the sickle, because I did not die and did not reload the sickle a single time across both these missions.
Nonetheless, we completed all secondary objectives without issue.

So I still no clue what you're talking about when you say you need any amount of heatsinks on the sickle for... whatever difficulty, and absolutely no clue why sickle's heatsinks being reduced would "force" HSO.
I get the impression you are leaning too heavily on your primary(instead of strats/support) to clear enemies and/or are clearing enemies when you don't actually need to, and so are overestimating the volume of primary fire you need to be putting out.

I also would much rather have taken eruptor/breaker/dominator on either of these missions, and consider sickle well below any of those in terms of effectiveness vs bugs.

LazyMaybe posted:

Only just learned that when looking at equipment you can view stats under "career". Relevant because I saw someone who had over 600 melee kills while I have less than 30 lol

LazyMaybe posted:

I don't know why people think the Knight is bad, it's literally just a redeemer but with bigger+more magazines because it's a primary.
Which is to say-it has remarkably similar close range DPS to the Breaker(aka, over 1000), but is some better for tapping things at medium range

peacemaker is still worse than redeemer but it's not actively bad

Insert name here posted:

^^^gently caress I literally took seconds too long to post lol

Also everyone is talking about the Senator but no one has mentioned the biggest buff it got. More damage? Meh. Speed-loader? No one cares about speed-loaders. No, the biggest buff is what happens when you hold down reload for long enough now:
https://i.imgur.com/DgkaFlY.mp4

Risky Bisquick posted:

I wonder how you would deal with a breach yourself or multiple titans, probably run and despawn?

Infidelicious posted:

Bad is a relative thing - if something is wildly outclassed it's bad even if it's not unusable garbage.

The knight is bad because having 40% better DPM than a Redeemer isn't particularly valuable in a primary when you can just take a Redeemer and a different primary that does something different or better.

It frankly doesn't have enough DPM or spare mags for its ROF, doesn't do enough damage to feel worth using on semi auto and has just enough recoil to be annoyingly imprecise if you're firing in short bursts.

Infidelicious posted:

Bad is a relative thing - if something is wildly outclassed it's bad even if it's not unusable garbage.

The knight is bad because having 40% better DPM than a Redeemer isn't particularly valuable in a primary when you can just take a Redeemer and a different primary that does something different or better.

It frankly doesn't have enough DPM or spare mags for its ROF, doesn't do enough damage to feel worth using on semi auto and has just enough recoil to be annoyingly imprecise if you're firing in short bursts.



The Peacemaker has no case where you wouldn't be better off had you brought the Senator or the Redeemer.

It needs like 100 damage to be an actual viable middle ground.

Doctor Zero posted:

Holy poo poo. Meridia is gone.

Insert name here posted:

I really want to like the knight but "annoyingly imprecise when firing in bursts" is definitely one of the main reasons I keep switching away from it.

TaurusTorus posted:

Yeah, anyone have a screenshot of what it looked like before? cause that is an interesting look it has now

Sagebrush posted:

So do you think the developers have like a special testing environment setup that is somehow different from the actual game we are all playing, or did they really play test the thermite grenade and go "yep, this is what it should do: absolutely loving nothing"

redreader posted:

Isn't thermite fire, and doesn't fire only do damage on the host's machine, AND doesn't the actual host swap around each drop, regardless of who is 'hosting' on their ship?

Risky Bisquick posted:

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

The airburst rocket, in addition to having what feels like an incredibly long reload time, also has a nice bug where you get far enough through the animation for it to end and for you to have a shell visibly in the launcher, but still counts as empty and unable to fire.

I'm starting to get pretty disillusioned with the bugs, degradation of performance, and poo poo like the spear still being broken. It's hard to be excited for new stuff when you know it's probably going to be broken when it comes out, or nefed/fundamentally altered shortly thereafter.

And fire weapons still don't work.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

yeah they really should have pumped the brakes on the warbonds. they can't fix basic stuff and keep shoving more on top of it

WoodrowSkillson posted:

yeah they really should have pumped the brakes on the warbonds. they can't fix basic stuff and keep shoving more on top of it

WoodrowSkillson posted:

yeah they really should have pumped the brakes on the warbonds. they can't fix basic stuff and keep shoving more on top of it

redreader posted:

Isn't thermite fire, and doesn't fire only do damage on the host's machine, AND doesn't the actual host swap around each drop, regardless of who is 'hosting' on their ship?

LazyMaybe posted:

And yet, when they polled players on whether they wanted the most, the #1 result was "more mission types and planets" rather than technical fixes.
Joe McAverage videogame player wants endless novelty and nothing else regardless of contexxt. (Of course the devs should slow down regardless, but still.)

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

And fire weapons still don't work.

Lobok posted:

But that's not what we voted for! And this game is all about democracy!