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Tangent, but I came across this page a while back and it made me laugh. Absurd Trolley Problems 
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Apr 30, 2024 16:54
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Data Graham posted:Don't mean to derail (haha) but the show doesn't seem to really grasp what the fundamental nature of the choice is. The trolley problem is about the concepts of intervention and culpability, i.e. "if by not acting when you have the opportunity, the train kills five people, have you committed murder?" Or "If you intervene and save five people, have you not murdered the one you deliberately turned the train toward?" It's a question about ethics and there is no "right answer".
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Apr 30, 2024 17:05
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I could, but it would require some stretching of what you're apparently supposed to take home from the experience. Given the huge amount of time the episode spends on all the comedy hypotheticals and how it doesn't spend the 10 seconds it would take for Michael or Chidi to explain what the baseline trolley problem and its purpose are, all the iterations have the narrative effect of just making it seem like the show itself doesn't get the point and only knows the trolley problem from memes like ^^ Chidi isn't portrayed as not being able to deal with the hypotheticals because he's fixated on the "wrong" kinds of trolley problems and Michael is trying to set him straight; the show doesn't give us the "straight" side at all (let alone Michael trying to reinforce it in opposition to the Santa Claus ones) so that read doesn't come through for me. If the point was to show Chidi agonizing over the "right" answer when there was none it could have made that point, but it doesn't. Which could be an editing problem, who knows. Again I'm glad the writers at least gamely tried, and it's a tall ask, but the effect is just to muddy the concept for the lay viewer.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:20
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They had moral philosophers as consultants, so I think they just presented it incorrectly to set up Michael sacrificing himself later.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:24
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I like the good place but I hated how narrow their perception of the afterlife was. They essentially made heaven really boring and said "people would rather cease to exist". gently caress that! What a horrible message.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:40
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I'm phoneposting right now so I can't really get into why that's kind of a bad take, but the idea is way deeper than just "heaven is boring"
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Apr 30, 2024 17:45
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Medullah posted:Tangent, but I came across this page a while back and it made me laugh. I’m never getting on a trolley again. This is far too stressful a way to lead my life.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:57
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theflyingexecutive posted:They had moral philosophers as consultants, so I think they just presented it incorrectly to set up Michael sacrificing himself later. Could be. "I solved the trolley problem" is a weird way to put it since it isn't supposed to have a "solution", but it works narratively.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:09
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Data Graham posted:For sure, and I probably learned more about various philosophers from Chidi's lectures than from anything I actually studied anywhere else lol Lol found myself scrambling to look stuff up yeah
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Apr 30, 2024 18:11
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Taear posted:I like the good place but I hated how narrow their perception of the afterlife was. They essentially made heaven really boring and said "people would rather cease to exist". gently caress that! What a horrible message. Did you miss the part where People were in heaven for multiple jeremy bearimies? After enough time, you're going to experience everything you can and be done. It's not that heaven is boring, it's that they already did everything they could do.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:20
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EL BROMANCE posted:I’m never getting on a trolley again. This is far too stressful a way to lead my life. 
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Apr 30, 2024 18:21
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I mostly didn't find The Good Place very funny, but it had some charm. I gave up on it during the Australia arc.theflyingexecutive posted:They had moral philosophers as consultants, so I think they just presented it incorrectly to set up Michael sacrificing himself later. I think this scene just makes it clearer that the show was less interested in being coherent with its moral lesson of the week (which is very much part of what the show was doing) and would just pursue a joke for its own sake.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:25
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Data Graham posted:I could, but it would require some stretching of what you're apparently supposed to take home from the experience. Given the huge amount of time the episode spends on all the comedy hypotheticals and how it doesn't spend the 10 seconds it would take for Michael or Chidi to explain what the baseline trolley problem and its purpose are, all the iterations have the narrative effect of just making it seem like the show itself doesn't get the point and only knows the trolley problem from memes like ^^ I'm a STEM-lord so I probably don't really "get" the trolley problem's intricacies, but I will point out since I watched it just now to get the screenshot for my shitpost, Chidi does introduce the problem as slightly open-ended, because he is the one who introduces the "what if you're a doctor who could save five people by chopping up one person", etc., and rest of Team Cockroach seems to think this is a different ethical dilemma than the trolley one. Of course Michael then eventually uses all of Chidi's alternate examples to show how they're hosed up situations and drives Chidi insane, which is the comedy of the episode, but I took the opening lecture to be Chidi trying to challenge the Cockroaches into applying the learned ethical systems to versions of the problem. Michael just diverts the whole thing because he's a big ol'meaney.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:39
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It's also a comedy show with 22 minutes episodes so even 10 seconds to outline the setup is a lot to devote when it has no impact on the jokes it's trying to setup.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:58
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The one part of The Good Place that didn't work for me was Adam Scott's sleazy devil character. I was really excited when he popped up, but then eh. That could have been a good role for Timothy Olyphant. He could have brought some of that low key dirt bag energy from Go. Edit: the best part was any time Kristen Bell says "shrempies" or the montage of Janet getting deactivated. Or anything Janet did. D'Arcy Carden was INCREDIBLE in that show. Randallteal fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Apr 30, 2024 19:01
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Taear posted:I like the good place but I hated how narrow their perception of the afterlife was. They essentially made heaven really boring and said "people would rather cease to exist". gently caress that! What a horrible message. The point is that the human mind isn't evolved to handle the afterlife as it is often described. You can read every book, watch every tv show, play every game a trillion times, and you will still have the rest of eternity left.
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Apr 30, 2024 19:08
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The background gags would get me in "The Good Place." When they were in Australia, there was a blink and you'll miss it moment where there was an intersection and the street names were THATSNOTAst and THISISAst
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Apr 30, 2024 19:15
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Oasx posted:The point is that the human mind isn't evolved to handle the afterlife as it is often described. You can read every book, watch every tv show, play every game a trillion times, and you will still have the rest of eternity left. Its also not that you cease to exist. You just go on to exist as something else.
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Apr 30, 2024 19:15
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bull3964 posted:The background gags would get me in "The Good Place." Sooooo many restaurant and store puns. Also, Randy "Macho Man" Savage International Airport
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Apr 30, 2024 19:17
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My radar for someone mentioning spectacularly underrated 1999 movie “Go” just went off
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Apr 30, 2024 21:37
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Oh my god. 4 years after the implosion of the Bon Appetit Test Kitchen, Claire Saffitz is once again trying to make things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd0TQeVQ2Z0
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Apr 30, 2024 22:07
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X-O posted:Nah, he's great. His podcast appearances with Conan are some of the best stuff you can listen to. Their friendship is fantastic. I only know Olyphant from Die Hard 4, Deadwood and his odd little cameo in Rango as the Eastwood sound-a-like, but in real life he's a loving weird and funny dude and his interactions with Conan are pretty amazing because Conan constantly calls him out on it and Olyphant just plays it off much to Conan's delight.
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Apr 30, 2024 23:40
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Cojawfee posted:Did you miss the part where People were in heaven for multiple jeremy bearimies? After enough time, you're going to experience everything you can and be done. It's not that heaven is boring, it's that they already did everything they could do. No, I didn't. I don't think there's such a thing as doing everything. The afterlife is just "here, but with some imagination powers" it feels like, that's what I don't like. I'm kinda seeing it as a science fiction concept and I don't feel like they went far enough with it. And obviously you kinda CAN'T but that didn't matter until the way they did the ending. Oasx posted:The point is that the human mind isn't evolved to handle the afterlife as it is often described. You can read every book, watch every tv show, play every game a trillion times, and you will still have the rest of eternity left. Again that's just really narrow. I don't like the perception of the afterlife as they have it, it's just a really blah interpretation.
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May 1, 2024 00:17
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The core idea of an unbroken eternity as yourself is horrifying, dude. There's simply no way to find contentment with unending existence. I'm not saying this to poo poo on the concept of heaven, but whatever comes after is just going to be more of this, with the same core dissatisfactions and ennui. It's one of the most potent philosophical ideas in the show, imo.
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May 1, 2024 00:25
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I take it you're not religious because the biggest religions' heavens boil down to life here, but no powers and a better body and God is more present and you're meant to like that above all other things about it. I'm not sure what more you could ask for from an afterlife than what Good Place offered, it lets you have and do any experience you want, so whatever it is you're asking for is necessarily included Whatever version of heaven or existence you'd prefer is freely attainable. Their version includes all versions by choice, you're saying it's missing things but if you were there and wanted those things, even if you didn't know what those things were, it could be made to be there for you.
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May 1, 2024 00:30
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The fundamental problem with the show's interpretation of things is that it's not actually a real conflict by the stakes of their reality, it exists only to make a point. In a world with Janet, you would only feel what you want to feel. You would only remember what you want to remember. You would never, ever have any problems, because the second you perceive something to be a problem you would change yourself or the world around you for it to not be a problem. They aren't human, they don't operate on human terms. The show requires that they do though so it can have it's big moment on how to live your life and let go. It was always a philosophy based show, the afterlife kick is just the means it used to get people to buy in. After all, everyone hates moral philosophers.
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May 1, 2024 00:41
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I ain’t reading all this but I do agree with whoever said generally the show isn’t funny. Idiom I think?
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May 1, 2024 00:45
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Nah, it was a very funny show.Mulva posted:The fundamental problem with the show's interpretation of things is that it's not actually a real conflict by the stakes of their reality, it exists only to make a point. In a world with Janet, you would only feel what you want to feel. You would only remember what you want to remember. You would never, ever have any problems, because the second you perceive something to be a problem you would change yourself or the world around you for it to not be a problem. They aren't human, they don't operate on human terms. The show requires that they do though so it can have it's big moment on how to live your life and let go. Lobotomizing yourself is... not a real solution
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May 1, 2024 00:54
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Why the hell not, you are dead. You don't have biology, and psychology in human terms is based on absolutes that heaven doesn't work on. You could just craft one perfect moment and live in it forever, it's functionally the same thing as the solution they came up with. Done is done, why is the done where you don't exist better than the done where you are eternally happy? Both are artificial constructs. Both have no intrinsic meaning. One exists to make a point about living, but the dead are definitionally not living. Why should they hold themselves to standards on how to live life that no longer apply?
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May 1, 2024 01:19
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I don't know how to explain to you that that's hosed up. Altering the way your brain reacts to stimuli, the way you as a person behave and think, is the death of the self.
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May 1, 2024 01:23
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I thought she looked kind of familiar but the goth landlady in Dead Boy Detectives is the sister of Kaley Cuoco.
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May 1, 2024 01:25
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muscles like this! posted:I thought she looked kind of familiar but the goth landlady in Dead Boy Detectives is the sister of Kaley Cuoco. Dude it was the same for me. I saw her facial expressions and was like "Where do I know her from????". IMDb up, scrolling and nothing rings a bell, then I noticed her name and it was like Bruce Willis at the end of the Sixth Sense
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May 1, 2024 01:28
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The montage at the beginning of season 2 of The Good Place was one of my favorite TV watching moments ever. Going in I thought them having to figure it out all over again was going to be the whole season. Seeing all those potential storylines turned into quick jokes, particularly the one where Jason figures it out, was a constant series of delights.
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May 1, 2024 01:37
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the first few episodes of Ripley were great but its really ground to a halt after the boat. and none of the characters have any chemistry with each other
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May 1, 2024 01:38
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Arist posted:I don't know how to explain to you that that's hosed up. Altering the way your brain reacts to stimuli, the way you as a person behave and think, is the death of the self. They don't have brains, and are already dead. What are you being precious about?
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May 1, 2024 01:47
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Mulva posted:They don't have brains, and are already dead. What are you being precious about? This is maybe the dumbest post I've ever read
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May 1, 2024 01:56
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The problem is not that they are literally altering their brain chemistry, or that they are literally killing themselves, it is that the person on the other end of that process is, in essence, someone new. You can say the same for the idea of "curing" mental conditions and disorders. The idea of an autism "cure" is extremely controversial, particularly within the autistic community, for exactly this reason. The person who comes out isn't the person who went in, isn't you. They're liable to think and act in entirely different ways.
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May 1, 2024 02:03
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I can't believe Michael would kill Chidi in order to create Chidi-Prime.
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May 1, 2024 02:06
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Truspeaker posted:The montage at the beginning of season 2 of The Good Place was one of my favorite TV watching moments ever. Going in I thought them having to figure it out all over again was going to be the whole season. Seeing all those potential storylines turned into quick jokes, particularly the one where Jason figures it out, was a constant series of delights. Michael being so personally offended by that one was amazing 
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May 1, 2024 02:08
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I am so happy that the guy that introduced me to The Good Place and watched part of season 1 with me managed to not spoil it.
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