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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He's out on bond on all his pending charges. Technically the contempt charge is no longer pending, he has been sentenced. ...to death, you say? Very soon but I'll allow it.
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‘Jeffrey Clark betrayed his oath’: Trump DOJ lawyer behind fake electors plot should be disbarred, disciplinary panel saysquote:The District of Columbia’s Office of Disciplinary Counsel issued a recommendation this week battering the credibility of former Donald Trump Justice Department attorney Jeffrey Clark, saying Clark’s “dishonest attempt to create national chaos” in the run-up to Jan. 6 meant the only suitable sanction would be disbarment because, put simply, nothing else would do. And another one bites the dust 
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Retro42 posted:I think you are all missing a key point. Yup, no drugs in jail, no sir. I mean, he won't be going to any jail, of course, but if he did, you really think he can't get drugs?
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May 1, 2024 00:37
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i think you're being ridiculous by thinking trump has some grander plot for anything ever
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May 1, 2024 00:50
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InsertPotPun posted:i think you're being ridiculous by thinking trump has some grander plot for anything ever Trump doesn't, but the people with their hands up his rear end puppeteering him do.
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Deteriorata posted:‘Jeffrey Clark betrayed his oath’: Trump DOJ lawyer behind fake electors plot should be disbarred, disciplinary panel says Are these recommendations binding? It's the state bar association that actually determines a lawyer's ability to practice is it not? Is this the kind of thing that bar associations are pretty much bound to follow once the panel makes this recommendation? (As with Giuliani, Eastman et al)
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Do think Trump will be found gulity for the Stormy Daniels trial? I know being found guilty won't change anything for the chuds, but I hope people still on the fence will wake and vote for Biden this November.
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John Yossarian posted:Do think Trump will be found gulity for the Stormy Daniels trial? I know being found guilty won't change anything for the chuds, but I hope people still on the fence will wake and vote for Biden this November. Way too early to know for sure. Depends on how much doubt Trump's legal team can generate.
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fool of sound posted:Way too early to know for sure. Depends on how much doubt Trump's legal team can generate. Yeah, I worry about that. Trump's attorneys seem really incompenent, but it could be a disaster if just one juror believes him.
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Zwabu posted:Are these recommendations binding? It's the state bar association that actually determines a lawyer's ability to practice is it not? Is this the kind of thing that bar associations are pretty much bound to follow once the panel makes this recommendation? (As with Giuliani, Eastman et al) They’re not actually binding, in that the DC Court of Appeals is the actual decision-maker on disbarring a DC-barred attorney, but the Court of Appeals didn’t construct an office for attorney discipline and hire specialist lawyers for it just to ignore them willy-nilly. I can’t say “all,” but can say “many” such recommendations are approved - the system is biased towards it.
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So you're saying there are many such cases?
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Perfectly normally, healthy lawyer, gets an insurrection... BAM, disbarment! Many such cases!
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Tenkaris posted:I like to imagine Trump is being advised getting jailed would be beneficial to his campaign by riling up the base, and is convincing himself that one night in jail is no big deal at all, and then it happens and he actually can't stand having to sleep on a jail bed and not have a phone or anything else to occupy his pea brain. Do they have Diet Cokes and Big Macs in prison?
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May 1, 2024 12:46
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BiggerBoat posted:Do they have Diet Cokes and Big Macs in prison? They do if you're rich.
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May 1, 2024 13:05
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haven't check in a while, any actual punishments yet?
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May 1, 2024 13:27
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Yep, just got punished for contempt!
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May 1, 2024 13:29
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Subjunctive posted:Yep, just got punished for contempt! With a small fine he can easily afford, and a vague threat of the judge maybe possibly considering jail time I MEAN IT THIS TIME MISTER
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May 1, 2024 13:31
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The judge did also hand out the ice cold punishment of calling his bluff on attending Barron's graduation.
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Tatsuta Age posted:haven't check in a while, any actual punishments yet? They only hand out punishments after the trial. You'll have to wait a few weeks.
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The Bible posted:With a small fine he can easily afford, and a vague threat of the judge maybe possibly considering jail time I MEAN IT THIS TIME MISTER I mean, it seemed to have sorta-kinda worked? At least, I don't think Trump has violated it since then, and he (or someone associated with him) did take down the posts. Maybe two nearly-atrophied neurons in the shriveled up part of his brain responsible for things like "knowing actions have repercussions that are bad for you" gave one last, dying burst of energy to make him realize "Oh, if I post, that can be a BAD thing for me". Aaaaaaand someone posts the 20 Truths he made at 6 am this morning in 3... 2...
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May 1, 2024 13:38
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He was also punished for the E Jean Carroll stuff from the first trial, IIRC.
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Tatsuta Age posted:haven't check in a while, any actual punishments yet? He had to sleep in what I can only assume is an uncomfortable chair at the defense table. That's murder on anyone over 20.
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May 1, 2024 16:42
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i don't mind a small fine at first, you don't want precedent of a judge handing out huge fines first, it won't always be trump on trial; what will be frustrating is how they'll bend themselves into a pretzel to put off anything more, which they wouldn't do for a poor defendant. it'll be some people screaming at everyone for wanting the courts to be more bloodthirty after only 35 to 40 fines.
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Subjunctive posted:He was also punished for the E Jean Carroll stuff from the first trial, IIRC. For some people this won't count. There will always be shifting goal posts on what punishment means for Trump.
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A lot of the time the frustration is more about the scale of the punishment to the crime. Trump has done enough crimes that he should be electric chaired daily for like 7 years but so far he's had some financial impositions made and his feelings were mildly hurt. It's something, but I demand more.
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Fox News (public TV at the gym) is already howling about the mere consideration that Trump might need larger fines or jail to have an actual deterrent effect as some sort of terrible double standard.
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Madkal posted:For some people this won't count. There will always be shifting goal posts on what punishment means for Trump. It's a fair point that fines are ultimately paid by his supporters and thus meaningless in any amount. The counterpoint is that Trump is so cheap that even small fines bother him.
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PharmerBoy posted:Fox News (public TV at the gym) is already howling about the mere consideration that Trump might need larger fines or jail to have an actual deterrent effect as some sort of terrible double standard. gently caress your gym, turn it off lol
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We're just desperate for something to form a tangible obstacle to his November chances. Being bothered won't do it. Four-digit fines won't do it. Deleting a couple of posts won't do it. It's not even clear if a felony conviction or Tish James seizing all his buildings would do it
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I'm hoping it's more of an "Even a god king can bleed" feeling.
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Subjunctive posted:He was also punished for the E Jean Carroll stuff from the first trial, IIRC. What is the punishment? If I'm keeping up the fines are bonded but under appeal, so while the money is tied up it's still his money. A punishment under appeal isn't much of a punishment.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:What is the punishment? If I'm keeping up the fines are bonded but under appeal, so while the money is tied up it's still his money. That's the way the legal system works. Deal with it.
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InsertPotPun posted:i don't mind a small fine at first, you don't want precedent of a judge handing out huge fines first, it won't always be trump on trial; what will be frustrating is how they'll bend themselves into a pretzel to put off anything more, which they wouldn't do for a poor defendant. it'll be some people screaming at everyone for wanting the courts to be more bloodthirty after only 35 to 40 fines. I do because fines should be commensurate on one's ability to pay them. Otherwise fines are completely meaningless as a punitive measure.
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Hobologist posted:I'm hoping it's more of an "Even a god king can bleed" feeling. He's not bleeding. He's likely going to be an actual cash rich billionaire when he can sell his stock in Trump Media. The only way he bleeds for real is if he's not elected. InsertPotPun posted:i don't mind a small fine at first, you don't want precedent of a judge handing out huge fines first, it won't always be trump on trial; what will be frustrating is how they'll bend themselves into a pretzel to put off anything more, which they wouldn't do for a poor defendant. it'll be some people screaming at everyone for wanting the courts to be more bloodthirty after only 35 to 40 fines. If I break the law and they fine me one cent for each infraction then it's just a thing I'm allowed to do.
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Fart Amplifier posted:He's not bleeding. He's likely going to be an actual cash rich billionaire when he can sell his stock in Trump Media. The only way he bleeds for real is if he's not elected. As with all gilded founders, the moment he tries to sell out the party is instantly over and the people running the pump try and beat him to the dump. He has insider trading restrictions, so most of the dump will happen days before he can sell it. No bank is going to take single stock collateral with that much volatility (well, without getting sued to oblivion). The market liquidity of the stock is 325~450 million, and that's assuming you're not double counting dollars anywhere. He would have great difficulty extracting that amount.
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Professor Beetus posted:I do because fines should be commensurate on one's ability to pay them. Otherwise fines are completely meaningless as a punitive measure. At least the judge in the case mentioned an understanding as such, explicitly
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Barrel Cactaur posted:He has insider trading restrictions, so most of the dump will happen days before he can sell it. He's been doing things that have much more serious restrictions without consequence so far. He already likely needs to become president to avoid jail time, and there's no reason to think he'd give a poo poo about insider trading laws when he's likely planning on being able to pardon himself anyway. He literally stole highly classified documents and kept them in a bathroom and a shed. Barrel Cactaur posted:The market liquidity of the stock is 325~450 million, and that's assuming you're not double counting dollars anywhere. He would have great difficulty extracting that amount. Unless a company wants to use it as a way to donate directly to the possible future president.
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May 1, 2024 19:19
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Trump got fined the equivalent of 6000 hamberders, hes feeling the pain
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Fart Amplifier posted:He's been doing things that have much more serious restrictions without consequence so far. The SEC, FINRA, and NASDAQ all operate off NASDAQs open book. He can't sell stocks in his name on the exchange, not just because it's illegal, but because non of the public or private market regulators will let it happen. Any broker he assigned shares too (he literally can't hide this)to are likely open booked too. He can't sell it like that, even if he found a broker willing to play patsy. It would just end up with his accounts frozen, the stock on a trading halt right before his accounts get frozen or likely both because he isn't patient enough to do it the slow way and literally posts a 100 million share market sell order. Even if he does somehow sell the SEC can freeze his bank accounts that have touched the profits. Then he gets dragged to administrative court, fined all the wrongful gains and a penalty, and referred for criminal prosecution. Also he gets privately sued. It's possibly the stupidest crimes to try and commit. Dumber than waddling into the NYSE with a gun and demanding they put the money in the bag. As to a private sale he has to find a sucker, get board approval, and survive the private lawsuits from shareholders against him and the board. His sucker has to be willing to buy a worthless turd in exchange for an unofficial iou from a man famous for doubling down on the squeeze. I don't think the world has a sucker rich enough for "what have you done recently?" To the tune of hundreds of millions to billions. Anyone with that much money is smart enough to string him along to get what they want first.
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The Bible posted:Trump doesn't, but the people with their hands up his rear end puppeteering him do. By the looks of it, many *try* to puppeteer Trump, or think they can use Trump to their benefit. But all fail, because Trump does Trump. It's not possible to manipulate a complete narcissist, especially because he knows he's the god king for millions and millions of Americans.
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