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fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

Pidgin Englishman posted:

Battle of Kursk, famous for only being the first 10 days of the 2 month conflict. Wonder how the other 1,000 tanks were lost in July and August?

Also it's interesting that across the 2 months of Kursk they only lost 10% of production. I'm assuming they just stockpiled the difference. Also the production for the other 10 months when there wasn't a famous Armoured battle on, that must have been stockpiled too.

The smart nazi keeps their tanks in the warehouse so the perfidious soviet can't destroy them.

I may be mistaken, but I recall the radio war nerd on kursk saying that the tank loss numbers for Germany are a big ol' unknown, because all they have to work with is reports from commanders saying how many operational vehicles they have. You can do some subtraction on that to work out the losses, but it doesn't account for what's operational via repairs/replenishment.

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/AEI/status/1785017847011533148

GDP metric worship is going to end in the American empire spreadsheeting itself to death.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/AEI/status/1785017847011533148

GDP metric worship is going to end in the American empire spreadsheeting itself to death.

[tripling all weapons procurement prices]

"checkmate, commies"

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
unskewing defense budgets

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
What do you mean they use a different currency in China?!?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/AEI/status/1785017847011533148

GDP metric worship is going to end in the American empire spreadsheeting itself to death.

here's the research: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uplo...ding.pdf?x85095

quote:

As seen in Figure 1, IISS’s approximation is slightly higher—$360 billion, since it considers some form of purchasing power parity and different areas of uncounted expenditure, such as defense research and development (R&D).13 The IISS estimate excludes some expenditures that the SIPRI estimate includes, which contributes to differences in the figures.

While these estimates helpfully demonstrate the fallacy of Beijing’s stated topline, they do not explain the intelligence community’s $700 billion figure. One reason for this shortcoming may be an undercounting of the real buying power of China’s military budget. Many budgetary comparisons operate under a flawed assumption by blankly accepting the market exchange rate conversion between Chinese yuan and US dollars in military spending.14 Simply converting spending in yuan to dollars based on a currency exchange rate overstates American capacity, especially since prices for goods are significantly lower in China.15 For this reason, economies are often measured by purchasing power parity rates to conduct relevant comparisons—which is why China has the world’s largest economy when considering purchasing power parity.16
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For this reason, researchers have attempted to evaluate “military purchasing power parity”—that is, purchasing power parity more finely accounting for military-specific expenditures. Research applying this military purchasing power parity calculation has illustrated that the Chinese defense budget’s true buying power may be nearly double the publicly reported topline.

Therefore, AEI’s model applied a GDP–purchasing power parity adjustment to certain aspects of the Chinese military budget to better llustrate the true buying power of Beijing’s spending.Though not definite, this calculation serves as a general estimate to better inform debate around international comparisons of military spending between the United States and China.

Since salaries and workforce compensation are far lower in China than in the United States, it’s important to also adjust for differences in labor costs, because the market exchange rate will understate the value China derives from its defense budget.22 This is evident in comparing the US and China, as China can afford to pay its enlisted soldiers roughly 16 times less than the salaries of their American counterparts.
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Since no detailed data exist for Chinese military salaries and personnel expenditures, a one-to-one comparison of the labor cost of military personnel is not possible. However, an approximation can be calculated by dividing the average wage of a US government worker ($79,137) by the average wage of a Chinese government worker ($18,341) to create a labor-cost adjustment factor of 4.31 for this estimation

they multiplied China's spending until it was much as the US's lol

also added in the People's Armed Police, because they're totally the military, duh. and the pension costs because its unfair that China funds their pensions through the Ministry of Civil Affairs.

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012
Now I’m imagining a sci-fi story where America’s plan to defeat invading aliens to spend their entire GDP buying a single normal bullet from themselves.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


China spends less on their military than the us, but if you consider factoring in what they would pay if there was as much grift and cost overrun as in the US, they are actually spending three times as much!

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Wait till they factored in the "MIC grift index" in the Chinese spending again, it will blow your mind.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



"every one of ours is worth three of theirs" but not so much in fighting spirit as retail price markup

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
drat china can spend that much militarily AND have high speed trains everywhere and renewable energy? they own even more

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/MilitaryTimes/status/1785747781044359625

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lmao, finally we can outsource maintenance engineers to india

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




like, if the goal is the dubious efficiency of having 1 wrench turner be able to guide a dozen remote ditch diggers at different bases on maintenance tasks, how is strapping 3 pounds of poo poo to your face a huge leap from just pointing a camera at it?

to say nothing of "we need these vehicles back up but the wifi is out and we don't have a qualified tech billet at this base. just do your best with faith based maintenance."

been said a lot in this thread but the lostech/machine spirit tech priest stuff of sci fi wargames is real and happening lol

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

quote:

But, Reventlow noted, Marines are not the first to conduct telemaintenance. The Army has been assisting Ukrainian maintainers during their war with Russia to fix systems on or close to the front lines using remote connections.

Also, the Navy began testing telemaintenance on its aircraft carriers in 2020, the U.S. Naval Institute reported at the time.

And, in the contested logistics environment where Marines expect to fight, sending stuff back may not be an option.

:hmmyes: The best thing to do when facing a deadly, peer enemy is to emit tons of radio signals. You'll look just like a civilian. They'll never expect it.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/AEI/status/1785017847011533148

GDP metric worship is going to end in the American empire spreadsheeting itself to death.

https://x.com/_arenio/status/1785053130280820863

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

D-Pad posted:

Towards the end japanese pilots had like two weeks of training never having shot their weapons or done a carrier landing. Also surprising to find out how many kamikaze pilots were university students who were not at all fanatics, didn't really support the war, and wanted a western style democracy but volunteered anyway.

They weren't really volunteered as much as voluntold. I think the right wing government wanted a post-war environment where the leftish antiwar types were dead so they were compelled to serve.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

:sickos:

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

hahaha yeah sure

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

its opposite day i see

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

https://i.imgur.com/HMmoPCV.mp4

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.
:hmmyes:

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
The Russians used a wrench.

Sanlav
Feb 10, 2020

We'll Meet Again

Cerebral Bore posted:

its opposite day i see

I remember being appalled when I took Electric Circuits junior year. I got a 45 on an exam at the start of term and was really worried I should drop, and then realized it was an A. Students were passing with 10-15% solutions. Just pages of nonsense diffeq submitted, and professors were like ... well you tried and attended. That's a C.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
don't worry guys we have way better engineers than the guys we get to make everything

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Vijay Prashad also calculated that US defence spending is much higher than the reported figure, and details the ways they obfuscate that, which makes things a bit funnier.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



they sell us cheap crap and we lap it up, ergo all they can make is cheap crap simple as

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005


like the whole argument of the report is that chinese defense spending goes 3-5x further than USA defense spending lol

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Military spending and why it's important brought you by the guys that can't figure out why North Korea surpasses their artillery shell production.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I mean if there is at least partial data on personnel costs, procurement, and the overall size of the PLA, how is this such a mystery?

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Sanlav posted:

I remember being appalled when I took Electric Circuits junior year. I got a 45 on an exam at the start of term and was really worried I should drop, and then realized it was an A. Students were passing with 10-15% solutions. Just pages of nonsense diffeq submitted, and professors were like ... well you tried and attended. That's a C.

Yeah u of t was notorious for treating intro calc physics etc like this, write brutally hard exams and have international student TAs who don't have time to teach or get paid to do so, and if you can get into the top half you passed! Even if the pass was like 30%

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Isentropy posted:

Yeah u of t was notorious for treating intro calc physics etc like this, write brutally hard exams and have international student TAs who don't have time to teach or get paid to do so, and if you can get into the top half you passed! Even if the pass was like 30%

I have some funny stories about this, but let me preface by saying U of T publishes their disciplinary reports online, one semester behind, and the amount of cheating that goes on there is staggering.

Even in the humanities, I got a 30% on my final exam in a course on the Hannibalic War, which dragged me down to a C, because my department was trying to prove some point about how tough they were so they could get funding for a dig in Greece.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Sanlav posted:

I remember being appalled when I took Electric Circuits junior year. I got a 45 on an exam at the start of term and was really worried I should drop, and then realized it was an A. Students were passing with 10-15% solutions. Just pages of nonsense diffeq submitted, and professors were like ... well you tried and attended. That's a C.

It's funny tho because at the end of the year when everyone is giving their capstone presentations on stage in their lovely rented men's wearhouse suits the absolute dumbest motherfucker 10 percenter 2.0 GPAs have to show their rear end in front of everyone with the sloppiest worst engineering you have ever seen

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Sanlav posted:

I remember being appalled when I took Electric Circuits junior year. I got a 45 on an exam at the start of term and was really worried I should drop, and then realized it was an A. Students were passing with 10-15% solutions. Just pages of nonsense diffeq submitted, and professors were like ... well you tried and attended. That's a C.
I TA'ed a number of math classes. Professors would always pressure me to grade creatively to pass students who had no idea what was going on. That wasn't an issue for me, because I didn't give a poo poo and was getting paid peanuts anyway.

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

cat botherer posted:

I TA'ed a number of math classes. Professors would always pressure me to grade creatively to pass students who had no idea what was going on. That wasn't an issue for me, because I didn't give a poo poo and was getting paid peanuts anyway.

It truly is a mystery why American infrastructure keeps falling down.

Meanwhile in racist land undergraduate engineering has a ~80% attrition rate due to the difficulty of the course but every graduate comes out ready to work competently in their specialisation.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

We've just ritualized all the hazing so they paint themselves purple and RMC engineering students play increasingly expensive and criminal pranks on their Queens counterparts. That and the Masonic ring presentation ritual thing, the flight suits, and the "callsigns".

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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cagliostr0 posted:

It truly is a mystery why American infrastructure keeps falling down.

Meanwhile in racist land undergraduate engineering has a ~80% attrition rate due to the difficulty of the course but every graduate comes out ready to work competently in their specialisation.

weird how BYD has more car R&D personnel than rest of the world combined

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

Palladium posted:

weird how BYD has more car R&D personnel than rest of the world combined

I doubt China would waste engineers on most of the car r+d. They are far too valuable on structures and dynamic systems to waste time in something a research chemist could handle fine.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Lostconfused posted:

Military spending and why it's important brought you by the guys that can't figure out why North Korea surpasses their artillery shell production.

the VA alone had spent $2 trillon over a decade yet there's still homeless vets which means china must outspend us and suck at whatever they are doing, because

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dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


it’s very much a thing of political economy, I’ll post something more elaborate once I get home

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