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Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

NeonPunk posted:

You need to get creative with titles for all those administrative jobs. The bloat in the administration across colleges is insane

where else are you going to put all the CIA recruiters and political commissars who punish the students and faculty for wrongthink?

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JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

you really don't know that liberalism is a word that has an actual definition we don't fit?

e:

BillsPhoenix posted:

It's stuff like this that baffles me. Like... you're equally worried about students being influenced by poor protest techniques as you are about the police brutality? The gently caress?

no, it's not showing up with protective equipment that's causing them to get brutalized because they're not prepared to fight back like they should be. whenever protesters fight back, the injuries are less severe because the cops are too busy forming a line and poo poo to be actively brutalizing people 6 on 1

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

JainDoh posted:

you really don't know that liberalism is a word that has an actual definition we don't fit?

hes prevented from being right by a geas

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

and not showing up masked" is not "poor protest technique" it's how you get ID'd by far right bad actors like law enforcement officers and nazis, then harassed/attacked

but 80% of these poor kids think they are allowed to protest peacefully and not be attacked because lib brain

e: also the loving lib brained kids caving in and disbanding when the university lies to them about divestment instead of actually achieving their goals because they believe that the university will negotiate in good faith

JainDoh has issued a correction as of 21:02 on May 1, 2024

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

https://x.com/the_tattooedjew/status/1785536043128611248

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

hailthefish posted:

either syq or gb2dnd

this is the inventor of the anticoat, show some respect

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
anyway it was liberals that called the cops on the students and the liberal president smeared them as antisemites. case pretty much closed

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

hes gonna put em in cages to appeal to trump voters

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

Al! posted:

anyway it was liberals that called the cops on the students and the liberal president smeared them as antisemites. case pretty much closed

gonna need to see some long form voter registration

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

https://x.com/jenelaina/status/1785552871431299320

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

BillsPhoenix posted:

It's stuff like this that baffles me. Like... you're equally worried about students being influenced by poor protest techniques as you are about the police brutality? The gently caress?

Police Brutality in America is like the tides. You can't stop it, at least not in the foreseeable future, so the best practice is to prepare.

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?


lmfao the kids are alright

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

https://x.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1785754132219113553
probably share this, its like 1pm there but lord knows its liable to pop off before dusk

BillsPhoenix
Jun 29, 2023
But what if Russia aren't the bad guys? I'm just asking questions...

Al! posted:

anyway it was liberals that called the cops on the students and the liberal president smeared them as antisemites. case pretty much closed

Agreed, but the protestors are liberals too largely.

It's a loaded term because US media and even conversational usage has nothing to do with the definitions. It's everyone who isn't right wing.

It's all loving terrible as a vote for biden was... a vote for genocide and police state.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

BillsPhoenix posted:

Agreed, but the protestors are liberals too largely.

It's a loaded term because US media and even conversational usage has nothing to do with the definitions. It's everyone who isn't right wing.

It's all loving terrible as a vote for biden was... a vote for genocide and police state.

ok

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

BillsPhoenix posted:

Agreed, but the protestors are liberals too largely.

It's a loaded term because US media and even conversational usage has nothing to do with the definitions. It's everyone who isn't right wing.

It's all loving terrible as a vote for biden was... a vote for genocide and police state.
you aren't able to understand the definitions of words but thatsokay we love you for who you are

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

BillsPhoenix posted:

Agreed, but the protestors are liberals too largely.

It's a loaded term because US media and even conversational usage has nothing to do with the definitions. It's everyone who isn't right wing.

so you should know that leftists tend to do weird poo poo like learn about political theory, and as part of that when we say liberal we mean the actual definition

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

FirstnameLastname posted:

you aren't able to understand the definitions of words but thatsokay we love you for who you are

i don’t

BillsPhoenix
Jun 29, 2023
But what if Russia aren't the bad guys? I'm just asking questions...

FirstnameLastname posted:

you aren't able to understand the definitions of words but thatsokay we love you for who you are

If you went into a random bar, USA, and asked people if socialists were liberal, what would the answer be?

Words change over time, politicized words even do so quickly.

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

okay at this point you've tipped your hand, even intentionally obtuse people aren't this thick. 4/10 trolling from d&d as usual

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

BillsPhoenix posted:

If you went into a random bar, USA, and asked people if socialists were liberal, what would the answer be?

Words change over time, politicized words even do so quickly.

Shut the gently caress up

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

BillsPhoenix posted:

If you went into a random bar, USA, and asked people if socialists were liberal, what would the answer be?

Words change over time, politicized words even do so quickly.

Is your entire posting gimmick just kramering into threads and saying a bunch of dumb poo poo until you get probed?

Because that's my thing. No copying.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

BillsPhoenix posted:

If you went into a random bar, USA, and asked people if socialists were liberal, what would the answer be?

Words change over time, politicized words even do so quickly.

you're not in a random bar dumbass

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

WoodrowSkillson posted:

you're not in a random bar dumbass

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

Retromancer posted:

Is your entire posting gimmick just kramering into threads and saying a bunch of dumb poo poo until you get probed?

Because that's my thing. No copying.

come now, he's Just Asking Questions. JAQing off, if you will

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

FirstnameLastname posted:

hes prevented from being right by a geas

lol

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

https://x.com/StatusCoup/status/1785768168088101288

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The protestors should wear anti-coats to prevent being arrested.

BillsPhoenix
Jun 29, 2023
But what if Russia aren't the bad guys? I'm just asking questions...
Sorry, I'm just mad at the stupid student/police protest poo poo not really doing anything to stop the genocide.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

BillsPhoenix posted:

Sorry, I'm just mad at the stupid student/police protest poo poo not really doing anything to stop the genocide.

gazan students appreciate the solidarity so maybe its actually you who isnt doing anything

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

that's doomer mentality. better things are possible, this shows us how many people want better things, and the universities are 100% feeling the pressure to divest irrespective of media/whitehouse because theyre literally losing money by the hour. there's even something to be said for this many people having their illusions shattered leading to more people wanting better things.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

BillsPhoenix posted:

Sorry, I'm just mad at the stupid student/police protest poo poo not really doing anything to stop the genocide.

Go be a mad bitch somewhere else then

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

BillsPhoenix posted:

Sorry, I'm just mad at the stupid student/police protest poo poo not really doing anything to stop the genocide.

It's because these things are a process, and the violent crackdown on peaceful/not-very-effective protest is what leads otherwise normal Ivy League students to joining the Weathermen. People don't start out as radicals believing that the only solutions lay outside the laws and habits that govern everyday life, they have to get pushed to that realization.

The Troubles started as peaceful/not-very-effective protests inspired by the American Civil Rights movement. Nobody started out with the intention of touting an armalite and blowing up Mountbatten's yacht.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

BillsPhoenix posted:

A portion of liberals are the only ones protesting and seem to be the only group against genocide?
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1785509804514930976

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002


worst mf you know makes an excellent point

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

JainDoh posted:

worst mf you know makes an excellent point

this is the maga communism forum

stumblebum
May 8, 2022

no, what you want to do is get somebody mad enough to give you a red title you're proud of

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's because these things are a process, and the violent crackdown on peaceful/not-very-effective protest is what leads otherwise normal Ivy League students to joining the Weathermen. People don't start out as radicals believing that the only solutions lay outside the laws and habits that govern everyday life, they have to get pushed to that realization.

The Troubles started as peaceful/not-very-effective protests inspired by the American Civil Rights movement. Nobody started out with the intention of touting an armalite and blowing up Mountbatten's yacht.
even deeper than realization on the ideas level is when the system pushes people to the point where they literally have no other choice than to oppose the power structures in order to survive and live

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

BillsPhoenix posted:

Sorry, I'm just mad at the stupid student/police protest poo poo not really doing anything to stop the genocide.

no protest is going to stop it today, tomorrow, or in the next few months. america is still building the capacity to effectively mass protest. for decades after the civil rights movement, protests have been hamstrung and neutered by "peaceful" protest propaganda about how the civil rights movement worked, along with effective management of popular demands by the elites. for a long time they have been very good about letting off the gas on things like gay marriage and keeping people just happy enough that the only protests were marches and other such ineffective methods. That's failing now, they are running out of concessions, and they can't concede on israel without collapsing significant parts of the system.

Occupy was the first wave, BLM was the second, this is the third. There will be more. But each time people have gained institutional knowledge, which has also precipitated the increasingly heavy handed responses by the pigs. Now you have kids reading up on past movements and right out the gate using much better tactics overall, which required an unprecedented show of force in NYC to temporarily stop it. People were showing u pas medics from minute one this time, if anything the only lacking area is other equipment to deal with the violence the pigs are bringing, since the response has been insane even by past american standards.

uncritical support of the kids. even the brown university kids that got hoodwinked since that still caused the ADL to go apoplectic.

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I just wrote an article on 19th century classical education in Germany and the UK as components of the imperial system, since about 80-90% of ICS men went to Cambridge or Oxford, and of the Oxford graduates 90% were classicists. The same thing was true in the German empire from 1871 to 1918, where we can see about half of the people going into administration in East Africa and Germany’s other overseas territories had an education from gymnasiums and universities in the classics.

The emphasis, in both the UK and Germany, in classical education at that time was as a model for empire. Among future army officers, diplomats, and members of the imperial civil service, classical education was designed to instill values promoting a public good. That was the motive behind the explosion in classical education after the Berlin Conference of 1885, the creation of “Empire Builders” to oversee formal imperial administration. This is why culturally you see Newbolt and Kipling emerge as the things every schoolboy is taught, and their German equivalents.

There’s another strain to this as well. Remember that of the graduates entering the ICS half went to Cambridge. The Cambridge graduates were not classicists. They were overwhelmingly, to the same degree that classics dominated at Oxford, about 90%, mathematicians. You see the same pattern in Germany, where you have other elite institutions producing people trained in mathematics, who enter the army, diplomatic corps and civil service.

so what I’m wondering based on your comment, I haven’t listen to that episode yet, is if there are essentially two forms of training that western imperial systems produce candidates through. If we have created two strains of management for Empire, at home and abroad, and of them, at the moment, the mathematical strain is predominant. Look at the 1960s in America, yes you have all of these students receiving classical educations at Harvard, Yale and the other ivies, and they go into the CIA and state department, but at the same time you have about the same number of people trained in mathematics go into the RAND corporation. Is it possible that that same system of education that made the German and British Empires produced the wiz kids like McNamara, Curtis Lemay, Robert Moses, the statisticians, while producing fruity and theatrical Catholics and Episcopalians like Bush Sr., the classicists ?

Because if that’s the case, I wonder if in these elite institutions there was some sort of victory of mathematics over these other disciplines that were being used to promote the creation of empire, and that’s why we’ve seen some of the changes that we’ve seen?

i suspect it's worse and it's more a victory of scientism & taylorism; not so much a victory of mathematics but of measuring itself

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JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

WoodrowSkillson posted:

no protest is going to stop it today, tomorrow, or in the next few months. america is still building the capacity to effectively mass protest. for decades after the civil rights movement, protests have been hamstrung and neutered by "peaceful" protest propaganda about how the civil rights movement worked, along with effective management of popular demands by the elites. for a long time they have been very good about letting off the gas on things like gay marriage and keeping people just happy enough that the only protests were marches and other such ineffective methods. That's failing now, they are running out of concessions, and they can't concede on israel without collapsing significant parts of the system.

Occupy was the first wave, BLM was the second, this is the third. There will be more. But each time people have gained institutional knowledge, which has also precipitated the increasingly heavy handed responses by the pigs. Now you have kids reading up on past movements and right out the gate using much better tactics overall, which required an unprecedented show of force in NYC to temporarily stop it. People were showing u pas medics from minute one this time, if anything the only lacking area is other equipment to deal with the violence the pigs are bringing, since the response has been insane even by past american standards.

uncritical support of the kids. even the brown university kids that got hoodwinked since that still caused the ADL to go apoplectic.

excellent post. protests of this size would have been unimaginable in 2019, and many people thought after 2020 it was sheerly the quarantine that led to the numbers.

JainDoh has issued a correction as of 21:52 on May 1, 2024

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