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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The Columbia connection is one of those things that makes me think maybe Israel is integral to US empire and can't be cut loose. i think if youre an elderly educated êlítę then you dont consider human lives or politics or history at all and you just see israel as an artificial satellite united states installed deep in the heart of enemy territory across the world, a feat nearly matched by the soviet union with cuba, hence our polar opposite treatment of the two countries. to abandon israel would be tantamount to castration from this perspective
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i would say “look at all the horrible poo poo the US has done to every member of this family” but that’s all Palestinian families now. I guess the Al-Arians got to experience it in slo mo https://x.com/lailaalarian/status/1785808622921875792?s=46
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The Columbia connection is one of those things that makes me think maybe Israel is integral to US empire and can't be cut loose. It’s very hard to come up with rational reasons for why supporting Israel is the single most important thing in the West, surpassing professed values, money, even national security. But it’s also very hard to come up with rational reasons for why America moved its industrial capacity to China and then started picking fights with China. The only thing I can square it all with is that we’re ruled by absolute morons who think they’re invincible, and who have an understanding of the world frozen in 1991.
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Best Friends posted:The only thing I can square it all with is that we’re ruled by absolute morons who think they’re invincible, and who have an understanding of the world frozen in 1991. That's indisputable, I think. 2008 or so is going to be looked back on as a turning point both for the financial collapse, belligerence towards China, and Georgia War. The contractions with Israel started accelerating around 2006, when their invincible army was publicly defeated, and worldwide public opinion was firmly on the side of the people they attacked. Reading the books on Israel-Diaspora relations, Israel was unable to process people disapproving of their actions abroad, and a siege mentality we can see today really picked up speed.
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the west is ruled by the governance equivalent of a 737 max mcat.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Everyone with power for sure, but I'm not so sure about most of the people without. If that were the case, pro-Palestine protests would have vanished months ago. It's us versus the elites, and the elites are losing this battle quickly - that's why they're trying to put down the college protests so dramatically. the protests are news because they’re an unusual, minority action I think that most of the Americans who are currently polling as anti-Israel can be recaptured by the liberal establishment with some superficial concessions and better speechmaking than we’ve seen out of the Biden camp recently
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Subjunctive posted:the protests are news because they’re an unusual, minority action Maybe some of us milquetoast millennials, but not the youth leading these protests. And to be honest I'm not sure the liberal establishment is capable of superficial concessions and better speechmaking.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The Columbia connection is one of those things that makes me think maybe Israel is integral to US empire and can't be cut loose. US support for Israel is a keystone in the house that is US imperialist policy and going back on it would mean having to also reexamine eighty years and trillions of dollars worth of strategy and actions undertaken by the US to establish and maintain their desired world order. This is also why we're still blockading Cuba, treating Iran and NK as pariah states, spending billions upon billions every year to LARP that we could defend Taiwan from a Chinese invasion, etc. The entirety of US foreign policy is borderline kayfabe at this point because critically examining any aspect of it at this point would be admitting we are the baddies and have been the baddies since like, at a minimum 1945.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Maybe some of us milquetoast millennials, but not the youth leading these protests. And to be honest I'm not sure the liberal establishment is capable of superficial concessions and better speechmaking. the youth leading the protests are exceptional, heroic, morally clear, and driven people. I am humbled by their acts of courage and resolve but they are exceptional, and not the majority even of college students, let alone of the disempowered American population critical support for the students because they might be the spark to a flame that cleanses the world of Israel’s genocidal policies and pan-Western complicity. I hope that the liberal establishment is dumb enough to keep fighting them in ways that expose its own weaknesses, but I think the balance of social influence still lives at the NYT and its analogues
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Subjunctive posted:the youth leading the protests are exceptional, heroic, morally clear, and driven people. I am humbled by their acts of courage and resolve I took the day off and visited an encampment and agree they’re better organized and driven than the 2003 Iraq protests (still the largest in history I believe) I did at their age. Truly impressive people.
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Bouillon Rube posted:It’s my gut feeling that nobody is running the ship at this point. No one person knows exactly why we must remain beholden to this weird parasitic twin across the globe, and honestly they don’t need a reason. Biden is a perfect example of this mindset I think the Democrat machine understands fully well that Israel produces the training and toys that our police can use to brutalize civilians, and that the entrenched wealthy Zionist donors should be kept satisfied. But neoliberal institutional rot has also surgically removed any ability for the machine to think strategically instead of reactively; otherwise they'd be able to realize that the current course of action is catastrophically ill-advised. (And even then I think there are quite a few individual Democrats who are freaking out, but they're either unwilling or unable to actually challenge the leadership)
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Subjunctive posted:the youth leading the protests are exceptional, heroic, morally clear, and driven people. I am humbled by their acts of courage and resolve if Israel were to call a ceasefire fairly soon, then I expect this ends in the short term the way these things have always tended to, with a broad society-wide shift in the range of acceptable discourse and minimal real policy concessions. BDS becomes mainstreamed somewhat, attacks on BDS are henceforth met more often than not with eyerolls, and the new "fringe" position that gets Democrats wetting their pants is the abolition of the state of Israel, and little meaningfully changes politically, for now. if Israel continues plowing forward, the natural tendency of these things to peter out is blunted by the fact that an ongoing genocide is kind of a big deal.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:if Israel were to call a ceasefire fairly soon, won’t happen paul soccer quote
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Israel and Biden's people could do the smart thing and end this genocide now, which would take a lot of the 'juice' out of the protests as you said and might even revitalize Genocide Joe's reelection campaign. None of these people are smart.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:if Israel were to call a ceasefire fairly soon, then I expect this ends in the short term the way these things have always tended to, with a broad society-wide shift in the range of acceptable discourse and minimal real policy concessions. BDS becomes mainstreamed somewhat, attacks on BDS are henceforth met more often than not with eyerolls, and the new "fringe" position that gets Democrats wetting their pants is the abolition of the state of Israel, and little meaningfully changes politically, for now. if Israel continues plowing forward, the natural tendency of these things to peter out is blunted by the fact that an ongoing genocide is kind of a big deal. https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1785638176981143874
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Israel and Biden's people could do the smart thing and end this genocide now, which would take a lot of the 'juice' out of the protests as you said and might even revitalize Genocide Joe's reelection campaign. we can't do it we are forced by some rich people
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If Hamas doesn't drop their demand that I end the war, then I will continue the war If Hamas DOES drop their demand that I end the war, well then that means we agree I will continue the war This is stupidest poo poo ever
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OctaMurk posted:If Hamas doesn't drop their demand that I end the war, then I will continue the war Israel has no stomach for diplomacy but an endless willingness to escalate.
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could you imagine if they shot back lol Lloyd Austin says US troops building Gaza aid pier can return fire if attacked by Hamas nypost.com - Tue, 30 Apr 2024 posted:WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told House lawmakers Tuesday that US forces helping to construct a floating humanitarian pier along the Gaza Strip’s coast may return fire if attacked from the Hamas-run Palestinian enclave — causing an uproar among both Democrats and Republicans.
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Just setting up a justification for getting American boots on the ground to help with the genocide; no big deal.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Just setting up a justification for getting American boots on the ground to help with the genocide; no big deal.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:if Israel were to call a ceasefire fairly soon, israel does not want any ceasefire
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OctaMurk posted:If Hamas doesn't drop their demand that I end the war, then I will continue the war Rome: Total War rear end diplomacy
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There's not a government conspiracy to start general protests across the country, because they're not that smart. That said, if the goal was to spark general protests across the country, what would they be doing differently?
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mawarannahr posted:I think they're talking about the highly likely scenario of Israelis doing the shooting, but these are not mutually exclusive if israel opens fire and kills every single us troop they will be ordered to martyr themselves without returning fire and no matter how facile the pretext they'll blame it on hamas. they're probably gaming it out in the hakirya r/n
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Mandel Brotset posted:also crises are coming more rapidly, giving movements more temporal overlap. experience is a great teacher and there have been near constant opportunities to learn for nearly eight months now Yeah, plenty to learn, I just worry about people's material resources and the ability to resist getting absolutely crushed by the American security state DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The Columbia connection is one of those things that makes me think maybe Israel is integral to US empire and can't be cut loose. Just read the wikipedia page about Jonathan Pollard and what the Israelis put American security state people through over that scandal of an Israeli agent buying American state secrets including communication codes. Imagine any other country treated US officials like that. It's impossible. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 01:49 on May 2, 2024 |
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PostNouveau posted:Brown University managed to get their protestors to disband camp by promising a vote on divestment in October. October huh, wonder what event happened in October…
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Dreylad posted:Yeah, plenty to learn, I just worry about people's material resources and the ability to resist getting absolutely crushed by the American security state the economically immiserated simply cannot afford to protest, particularly those with people who depend on them for basic survival
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Dreylad posted:Yeah, plenty to learn, I just worry about people's material resources and the ability to resist getting absolutely crushed by the American security state and yet the al aqsa flood successfully wiped out one of the security state’s preeminent brigades. life finds a way
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Al! posted:the us would sooner let north dakota go than israel The ruling class outright sees Israel as more of a state than they do many of the actual states (like North Dakota).
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Pookah posted:He is so astonishingly bad at this - completely unable to do anything but sit quietly while the questions are asked and then parrot back canned responses. No ability to dominate the interview or control the line of questioning. it's like setting up your army to only be able to brutalize civilians. When you can simply end the career of any journalist who pushes back, why bother learning to deal with hostile interviews? And just like their lovely army it falls apart as soon as they are confronted with someone who resists.
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This can't be right, every pro-Israeli person has assured me that the war is Hamas' fault because if they accepted Israel's reasonable demands the war would end instantly.
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Al! posted:the us would sooner let north dakota go than israel if we're doing a fire sale on states can whoever's buying take idaho and florida too?
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https://aje.io/qvjfrm?update=2873038quote:The US House of Representatives has passed a bill broadening the definition of anti-Semitism to include the “targeting of the State of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity”. Lmao
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