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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Cable was raised by a gun in a gym and weened on brown liquor. That's what Cable sounds like.

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RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Rewatching original animated X-Men rules and everyone should do it

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

RC Cola posted:

Rewatching original animated X-Men rules and everyone should do it

Yeah it's a lot better written than I remember, but the animation sucks especially compared to '97. Wolverine getting punched up a mile into the air and then becoming a whirling tornado of sentinel death and then getting punched back into the mansion was loving amazing

So like, what percentage of humans are omega sentinels now, like 25%?

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
They just had the Phalanx Covenant last season. Can you really turn the world into totalitarian cyber zombies in back to back seasons?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Oh also who was the shadowy lady in the villain conference call?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

zoux posted:

Oh also who was the shadowy lady in the villain conference call?

I assume just some stooge, or maybe Madem Hydra/viper?

Nikumatic
Feb 13, 2012

a fantastic machine made of meat
She did not get a specific name in the subtitles unlike DOOM and Zemo

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

zoux posted:

Oh also who was the shadowy lady in the villain conference call?

https://twitter.com/BeauDemayo/status/1785687482601988212

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
The biggest suspension of disbelief in this show is the UN being effective.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


I'm going to choose to believe it's Maggie Thatcher

iceyman
Jul 11, 2001

Show good. Couple of points I was confused about.

Why was Val Cooper wearing an OZT jumpsuit? Seemed like an odd choice.

Show Creator said that Bastion can be seen in just about every episode prior implying some sort of twist maybe? But he doesn't seem to be anyone we already knew. So is he just doing a where's Waldo or something?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

iceyman posted:

Show Creator said that Bastion can be seen in just about every episode prior implying some sort of twist maybe? But he doesn't seem to be anyone we already knew. So is he just doing a where's Waldo or something?
Yeah, it's very much a Where's Waldo.

DiscoJ
Jun 23, 2003

iceyman posted:

Show Creator said that Bastion can be seen in just about every episode prior implying some sort of twist maybe? But he doesn't seem to be anyone we already knew. So is he just doing a where's Waldo or something?

Yeah, it's just a set of background cameos/easter eggs. In this thread we spotted the photo with Forge in ep 4. And some Youtube comments spotted him in ep 5 soon after the ep went up.

Full list is here.
https://comicbookclublive.com/2024/...0for%20Ep.%203.

Also, Bastion's origins spin out of the X-Men: TAS s4 episodes 'One Man's Worth'. There we see all 'three' of his parents and the events that led to his birth.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



https://x.com/BeauDemayo/status/1785907858196103578

Not looking good for Wolverine. Not at all.

Forecast of Onslaught is high, though.

Also apparently Colossus turned traitor in this comic. Just more evidence for what I feel is the only really justified path forward which is Rogue and Cyclops joining Magneto. Mabe even Beast or Cable, too.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
Hopefully that doesn't mean we get no-nose Wolvie in S2 though...

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

NikkolasKing posted:

https://x.com/BeauDemayo/status/1785907858196103578

Not looking good for Wolverine. Not at all.

Forecast of Onslaught is high, though.

Also apparently Colossus turned traitor in this comic. Just more evidence for what I feel is the only really justified path forward which is Rogue and Cyclops joining Magneto. Mabe even Beast or Cable, too.

Yeah, this is where Colossus joins the Acolytes after Illyana's death. The big Wolvie Magneto moment happens in the next comic in this story, X-Men (vol 2) 25. (old comic spoiler).

I'm real curious to how they mix bits of Fatal Attractions to the Operation Zero Tolerance/E is for Extinction mash up they have going on.

Spacebump fucked around with this message at 18:04 on May 2, 2024

IBroughttheFunk
Sep 28, 2012
I didn't watch the original cartoon at all as a kid, didn't have any nostalgic connection to it, but decided to give it a go, and....oh holy poo poo, I know this will just be lost in the chorus, but this show is so goddamn good. Not only is it good, it just blows everything Marvel that I've seen over the last few years completely out of the water. It's almost so good that it feels like a fluke compared to everything else. Did the creators just get some extra autonomy when throwing this together, or what?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

IBroughttheFunk posted:

I didn't watch the original cartoon at all as a kid, didn't have any nostalgic connection to it, but decided to give it a go, and....oh holy poo poo, I know this will just be lost in the chorus, but this show is so goddamn good. Not only is it good, it just blows everything Marvel that I've seen over the last few years completely out of the water. It's almost so good that it feels like a fluke compared to everything else. Did the creators just get some extra autonomy when throwing this together, or what?

I really think so, yeah. Beau De Mayo, the showrunner (who is no longer with Marvel, but wrote the first two seasons) has been posting on twitter about his inspiration for everything this season. Like how he's from the Orlando area, and he lost friends in the Pulse shooting, and he wanted to evoke that feeling in episode 5, just as one example. It really does feel like he, and the people with him, were left alone by Marvel, because this was just a "silly animated side project", so they were able to do whatever they want, so they decided swing for the fences and do something special.

Marvel should learn a lesson from this and not interfere so much moving forward. But they will absolutely not do that, I'm sure.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

thrawn527 posted:

I really think so, yeah. Beau De Mayo, the showrunner (who is no longer with Marvel, but wrote the first two seasons) has been posting on twitter about his inspiration for everything this season. Like how he's from the Orlando area, and he lost friends in the Pulse shooting, and he wanted to evoke that feeling in episode 5, just as one example. It really does feel like he, and the people with him, were left alone by Marvel, because this was just a "silly animated side project", so they were able to do whatever they want, so they decided swing for the fences and do something special.

Marvel should learn a lesson from this and not interfere so much moving forward. But they will absolutely not do that, I'm sure.

There is money to be made, so they are full on now. Speaking of which, when are we getting action figures?

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

IBroughttheFunk posted:

I didn't watch the original cartoon at all as a kid, didn't have any nostalgic connection to it, but decided to give it a go, and....oh holy poo poo, I know this will just be lost in the chorus, but this show is so goddamn good. Not only is it good, it just blows everything Marvel that I've seen over the last few years completely out of the water. It's almost so good that it feels like a fluke compared to everything else. Did the creators just get some extra autonomy when throwing this together, or what?

Not as many eyes/executives are on Marvel Animation compared to Marvel Studios movies or TV shows.

Also, X-Men '97 is one of the few Marvel TV shows that actually has a showrunner

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I mean, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF.

Also Feige, or Iger or one of those guys said they were going to take a step back and look at how they make MCU stuff, especially streaming stuff. Maybe this is that?

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
The show was greenlit and well into production before any of those statements were made. X-Men '97 was greenlit under the Bob Chapek/Kareem Daniel regime.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

swickles posted:

There is money to be made, so they are full on now. Speaking of which, when are we getting action figures?

Last July, with another wave a few months ago, and also a set of Funko Pops,

Aertuun
Dec 18, 2012

IBroughttheFunk posted:

Did the creators just get some extra autonomy when throwing this together, or what?

There was a very interesting part of the Galaxy Quest documentary where they mentioned that the recipe for success for any film project was doing it in the shadow of another film production (from the same studio) with a far higher budget.

So the studio suits are distracted and not paying attention to all the good work going on.

In this case, the studio's first act when they started paying attention was to fire the show lead. Hopefully season 2 is far enough along to survive their influence. By season 3 the leaches will have descended.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


zoux posted:

I mean, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF.

Also Feige, or Iger or one of those guys said they were going to take a step back and look at how they make MCU stuff, especially streaming stuff. Maybe this is that?

It is 2004, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

It is 2024, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

Aertuun
Dec 18, 2012

The Grumbles posted:

The audience for all that sharp dialogue about the world today simply isn't those people and isn't what will change them (its us). I think if you sat down with your weirdo bigoted uncle and made him watch X-Men 97 and then talked to him about his politics it would end badly.

There was a very interesting podcast where they talked about a study that was done into audiences and their reactions to different types of comedy.

As it turns out, a significant part of the audience for any TV, film, or comedy show doesn't get satire or any hidden meaning. They take everything said and performed at face value, with no subtext.

This has important implications for anyone doing "ironic" portrayals of racism or extreme views.

I'll see if I can dig up the study.

Soul Glo
Aug 27, 2003

Just let it shine through

Not So Fast posted:

It is 2004, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

It is 2024, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

This but unironically

KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy

The Grumbles posted:

I think that number is probably zero is what I'm saying. Still a great cartoon.

It may not save full on MAGA people but there is a HUGE swath of the public who are towards the middle and the more you can insulate them from getting conned by Fox News or becoming a Trump curious "He was a businessman I guess I might vote for him"-types

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

My brother is watching this show with his 10 year old son, and the kid apparently told him this, “So, when Bastion says 'too little too late' when he finds out Val Cooper released Magneto, is that because he turned Magneto into a Prime Sentinel when he had him captured?” He said he was also thinking about how Bastian, in the previous episode, was commenting on how warmth makes the skin more pliable and easier to work with when shaving him.

No idea if the idea will pan out, but I'm proud of my nephew.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Pinterest Mom posted:

Last July, with another wave a few months ago, and also a set of Funko Pops,

lmao yeah I was gonna say



skill issue?? :confused:

she comes with a green energy blast accessory

because why not

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Sentinel Red posted:

Hopefully that doesn't mean we get no-nose Wolvie in S2 though...

Honestly, this is where X-Men kind of goes off the rails for a while. They get swept up in 90s-00s crossover mania and blockbuster event-o-rama, a bunch of just weird poo poo happens like Feral Wolverine and Xorn and Danger, Marvel really squeezes blood from the mutant stone with X-titles proliferating like nukes in the 60s. I mean, not everything was terrible, but much like Spider-Man around the same timeframe, the ratio of decent to crap really takes a dive. Or soars. Whatever means it got pretty lame overall.

This isn't any kind of complaint or anything, so far the show has shown itself quite adept at sifting through the chaff to find those decent germs, just saying -- they had their work cut out for them, is there ever chaff.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Yeah in two episodes, Bastion has already shown himself to be a more memorable character than he was in the entire OZT crossover that spread across the dozens of X-Books there were at the time.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Not So Fast posted:

It is 2004, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

It is 2024, the future of the MCU is X-men and, possibly, FF

I am looking up photos of professional wrestlers. I do not know if they can act. All I've seen of them are their old photographs.

The Grumbles posted:

I dont mean to be a huge downer or burst your bubble here. It's just that the audience for all that sharp dialogue about the world today simply isn't those people and isn't what will change them (its us). I think if you sat down with your weirdo bigoted uncle and made him watch X-Men 97 and then talked to him about his politics it would end badly.

Yeah, I share this level of nihilism. X-Men has always been some flavor of "woke," and the 90's cartoon wasn't subtle about that aspect at all. But people who literally grew up watching it still accused '97 of "going woke" and ruining their cool very-not-gay cartoon. The level of selective retention they have with media they consume is an issue beyond media literacy. They see what the want to see; "ha ha! The Boys is so based for making GBS threads on 'Brave Maeve!' Vought is actually the Corrupt Left, and Homelander is awesome and right!"

I imagine they view Bastion as a kind of globalist George Soros type trying to incept average Americans with Socialism, while also rejecting the obvious mutants-as-queer metaphor as some kind of "political" Disney corporate dictate they resent and refuse to integrate into their reading.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Xealot posted:

I am looking up photos of professional wrestlers. I do not know if they can act. All I've seen of them are their old photographs.

I mean, Dave Bautista as the Thing wouldn't be the worst idea.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Gaz-L posted:

I mean, Dave Bautista as the Thing wouldn't be the worst idea.

I doubt they'd cast an actor that already has a major MCU character onto another one

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

IcePhoenix posted:

I doubt they'd cast an actor that already has a major MCU character onto another one

It's too bad, I bet the guy that played Captain America would make a passable human torch

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Azhais posted:

It's too bad, I bet the guy that played Captain America would make a passable human torch

ok fine, a major disney mcu character if you want to pretend you didn't know exactly what I was talking about :colbert:

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Eddie Kingston should voice the Thing, anyway.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Azhais posted:

It's too bad, I bet the guy that played Captain America would make a passable human torch

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Cabbit posted:

Eddie Kingston should voice the Thing, anyway.

They do the Champion Of The Universe story, except instead of boxing, Ben starts doing Kawada kicks to the face and gamengiris.

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