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Matinee posted:Leaving an entire movie crew twiddling their thumbs for eight hours is an incredible way to burn money If nobody is out there showing us what it means to be big time, is there really even a Hollywood film industry anymore
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The Rock was my favorite wrestler for years, and I'm honestly taken aback at how much respect I've lost for him in the span of like 6 months. I don't much give a poo poo about him trying to hijack the DC movie franchise, but it gives quite a bit of perspective on the person he's become and how he sees himself. Then he joins the board of directors, hijacks a 4-year storyline, books himself into the main event of WrestleMania, derailing a nearly 2-year program between the Roman and Cody, all to, in The Rock's words, "Save WrestleMania." Like... what the hell are you talking about? Everyone was hyped for WrestleMania! It was positioned to be an all-timer! Now it turns out he's not just a blatant dick to his former promotion and all the people actually putting in the work by showing up and making it all about him. Yes, he was fire on the mic. Yes, WrestleMania turned out great. That's literally the least he could've done after trying to hog the entire spotlight for himself. Then all this poo poo about him being a gigantic rear end in a top hat in Hollywood comes out. What's most pathetic of all is that all the reports of his terrible conduct have come from the people he actually works with, and he knows he can get away with it because of his fame and influence. These spineless worms at the top come issue all these statements directly contradicting all these reports of misbehavior because God forbid they injure their relationship with the guy who played Black Adam in Black Adam. Dude was apparently a super generous, unselfish guy in the cutthroat pro wrestling business, and it loving sucks to see not only that he isn't but that he allowed the money and fame to change him into the prick he is now.
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Can I request a breakdown of how The Rock hosed with DC? I haven't paid attention to comic movies in ages.
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SirPhoebos posted:Can I request a breakdown of how The Rock hosed with DC? I haven't paid attention to comic movies in ages. Yeah, I'll write something up this evening. As someone who loves both wrestling and comic book poo poo, especially when it all goes wrong, it's pretty great stuff.
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Gavok posted:Yeah, I'll write something up this evening. As someone who loves both wrestling and comic book poo poo, especially when it all goes wrong, it's pretty great stuff. Fuggin love how anyone could be like "can someone explain this topic tangentially related to wrasslin" and like clockwork Gavok comes in to drop knowledge bombs. You rule, Gavok.
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Gavok posted:Yeah, I'll write something up this evening. As someone who loves both wrestling and comic book poo poo, especially when it all goes wrong, it's pretty great stuff. Much appreciated! 
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Oh gently caress. I just got a horrible feeling that they're gonna merge Rampage into Dynamite and make it a 3-hour show.
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BLACK ADAM AND HOW THE ROCK WAS DEPOWERED First, a little summary of who Black Adam is as a character. Captain Marvel (now known as Shazam due to legal reasons) was a comic character owned by Fawcett Comics introduced in 1940. Years later, they would be bought out by DC Comics. His deal was that he was a boy Billy Batson, who was given special powers by a wizard where if he said “SHAZAM!” out loud, he would be hit by magic lightning and transform into a beefy Superman-looking adult and have the powers of different gods. He had three main villains: sniveling mad scientist Dr. Sivana, evil genius caterpillar Mr. Mind, and his evil counterpart Black Adam. Black Adam was the Wizard’s initial attempt at creating a god-powered superhero to protect people, only it was an adult in ancient Egypt. Adam started off fine, but soon became a fascist dictator, ruling his own fictional country of Kahndaq. The Wizard sealed him away. Black Adam returned in modern times, acted as a villain, and once again ruled over Kahndaq. He became something of an antihero in the 2000s, joining the Justice Society for a while and being the Vegeta to Shazam’s Goku. While the main DC heroes were explicitly against murder, Black Adam was shredding villains in half and tearing off arms. Most notable was that DC did a weekly comic series called 52 that depicted, in real time, a year when Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were depowered and/or missing. Black Adam was one of the characters it focused on, and while much of it was built around him trying to become a better person, the climax had him go completely insane and jump back into pure villainy. He stayed a villain until the next DC Comics reboot (where he was a villain again), but 52 did have him high-profile enough that comic fans were realizing that he sort of kind of looked like the Rock.  Especially back when he had hair. Since the Rock had left wrestling, seemingly for good, and was still trying to figure out Hollywood, this was everyone’s stunt casting. Warner Bros. was even trying to get a Shazam movie made as early as 2007 and Rock was courted for it, but he wasn’t sure if he wanted to play the goody-two-shoes child in a man’s body hero or the cold-blooded dark version. He eventually settled on Black Adam, though I guess his role in Jumanji was close enough to being Shazam. The Shazam movie was put on hold for years, being nudged awake when the Avengers made Disney so much money that Warner Bros. wondered, “Why the hell aren’t WE doing a shared universe?!” Whatever your opinion of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they at least found years of success with very little in terms of turmoil. The DC Extended Universe, on the other hand, was practically hosed from the beginning and it only got worse. The launching point for the whole continuity was Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel, a grim and frowny take on Superman that made money, created controversy, and at least felt very different from what Marvel was doing. This was followed by Snyder’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which doubled down on the grit and tried to world-build way too hard to its laughable detriment. Snyder wanted this to lead to a massive two-part Justice League movie, but the backlash was immense enough to make Warner Bros. execs nervous. Snyder had his audience, but enough to build a whole expanded universe around? Snyder directed Justice League, but then suffered a terrible personal tragedy and had to step down. The execs were more than happy to have an excuse to get him off the project in a way that didn’t seem like their doing and decided that the DCEU was TOO different from the MCU. They needed to get things on the right track, so they brought in Joss Whedon, who directed the first two Avengers movies, and told him to fix up Justice League. Whedon was fresh off of Avengers 2 being met with a critical shrug and it drove him to completely change over the movie with plenty of reshoots, his infamous brand of humor, and outright alienating members of the cast. It helped kill his career. Justice League was a movie that nobody liked. It felt like it appealed to nobody. This led to the obnoxious “Release the Snyder Cut!” campaign that culminated in Snyder getting a shitload of money to go back and finish off his vision of the movie. With COVID killing the box office, Warner REALLY needed something notable to sell HBO MAX subscriptions. Even Snyder’s detractors could agree that his 4-hour-long slow-motion extravaganza was better than Whedon’s garbage. But I’m just reiterating all of that to set the stage for how aimless the DCEU had become. Marvel built towards Avengers, then used it to expand into new titles and build to more Avengers. DC rushed into Justice League and... they didn’t know what was next. Their cinematic universe was unfocused and despite everything that happened, Whedon’s Justice League was still the canon version that everything was following. Of course, I’m getting away from the Rock in all of this. Rock returned to WWE in the early 2010s, known for how he hosted WrestleMania 27, wrestled Cena at WrestleMania 28, defended the WWE Championship against Cena at WrestleMania 29 (which physically messed him up), and made special appearances at the next three. He’s also remembered for showing up at the end of Royal Rumble 2015 to help his cousin Roman Reigns fight off Kane and the Big Show, only to look visibly confused and annoyed that he was being booed for it. His acting career had really taken off around this time, thanks in part to his increasingly large roles in the Fast and the Furious movies. Soon he was becoming too big to care about WWE. They kept pushing Roman as the top guy and keeping Nia Jax around, just hoping that they could get the Rock to show up again. Maybe they could get Rock vs. Roman at WrestleMania! That was the dream, but he continued to ghost them. It’s believed that one of the reasons Roman’s title reign lasted so many years was because they kept holding onto hope that Rock would do the match. It honestly got kind of sad. They did a show that was all one big tribute to his career, and Rock didn’t even send a video message or anything their way. They even promoted Red Notice, a Netflix movie starring the Rock, and instead of having anything to do with the Rock himself, they just had segments where Vince walked around with an egg prop from the movie and a mystery over who stole it from his office. If you were wondering, it was Austin Theory and his hideous teeth. In 2019, Warner released Shazam starring Zachary Levi as the titular hero, wearing a muscle suit. Really good movie, outside of how Levi and the actor playing young Billy Batson did not seem to be portraying the same personality. Rock did not appear in it, but they did do some exposition that explained Black Adam’s deal and showed him in the form of a magical light construct. It was a good way to set him up for the next installment, much like the movie’s post-credit cliffhanger where the villain Dr. Sivana was in prison, conversing with Mr. Mind. With the Rock’s increasing success in Hollywood, he became increasingly full of himself. A well-spread story about the Fast and the Furious movies is how Vin Diesel, the Rock, and Jason Stathem had protections in their contracts that kept them from losing fights or at least making sure they gave more punches than received. This became more noticeable in his starring roles as he became more protective of his image as an unbeatable badass. With Shazam 2 and Black Adam finally coming out so close apart, it made sense that there would be some synergy. Again, Black Adam is literally the dark version of Shazam, has the same powers, wears a variation of the outfit, and is his predecessor. There is zero reason for why these two shouldn’t be sharing the screen together. But Rock did not like the idea that his theatrical rival would be a child in the form of a doofy guy in a muscle suit. He used his political pull to bigtime Levi and kept them separate. Levi was pissed about this, but Levi is also a piece of poo poo, so gently caress him. I should note that Rock had another DC movie coming out. He starred in the animated movie Superpets, where he voiced Superman’s dog Krypto. In the post-credits, Black Adam and his dog (both voiced by the Rock) confront Superman and Krypto in the park. You see, with all the promotion going into Black Adam, Rock kept claiming, “The hierarchy of power in the DC Universe is about to change.” This was not just a line about how ominous and strong Black Adam was. This was him outright talking about how Black Adam was going to become the new protagonist of the DCEU. The Rock was trying to maneuver himself as the creative figurehead of the universe, much like how Zack Snyder was once seen. The Rock was going to become Kevin Feige and Black Adam was going to be Tony Stark. But he wasn’t going to be doing it opposite of Shazam. No, the DCEU was going to be built on Black Adam vs. Superman. Superman, who only ran into Black Adam a handful of times in the comics. Rock was adamant that this was where things had to go. Speaking of Superman, one of the funniest bits of criticism that came from Black Adam’s trailers was how they were trying to build him up as a violent antihero who had no problem killing. Hawkman would tell him that heroes don’t kill, and he would counter that he’s no hero. This meant absolutely nothing because this is the same cinematic universe where Superman snapped Zod’s neck and was sad for 20 seconds and Batman was a mass murderer. Black Adam was released at the end of 2022. It got middling to negative reviews and most of the positive takes came from Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate, as the movie also featured the Justice Society as supporting heroes. Black Adam himself was just Rock at his most unbeatable and uninteresting. The villain was in no way memorable. It was overall a big nothing of a movie. Still, it did have a post-credits scene where Henry Cavill returned as Superman to have a confrontation with Black Adam. This cliffhanger was the first time we had seen Cavill as Superman since Justice League. It was a huge deal, which is probably why Rock outright told people about the cameo before the movie was even released. Then the Black Adam movie did... something almost nearing okay. You’d hear how much money they made and you’d think it was good on paper, but in terms of budget, marketing, etc., the movie was considered a bomb. Rock did not take this well and posted an Instagram video of him driving around, explaining that, no, Black Adam is absolutely a financial success and big things are in store. You just don’t get math the way the Rock does. It started to feel kind of desperate. As for Shazam 2, it came out to a huge thud. Not surprising, as the trailer gave away the entire plot, the villains were bland, and a special third reason I’ll get into in a second. One of the post-credits scenes was about Dr. Sivana complaining to Mr. Mind that they STILL haven’t gotten around to coming up with a plan like they promised in the previous movie. Another post-credits scene has Shazam offered a spot in the Justice Society by some of the supporting characters from the show Peacemaker. Apparently, actual Justice Society characters from Black Adam were supposed to make the offer, but Rock put the kibosh on it. With Black Adam being perceived as a box office failure, within days, it was announced that, no, Henry Cavill was NOT going to be Superman ever again. In fact, they had announced that James Gunn, the man behind Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy and DC’s THE Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, was going to be rebooting the whole cinematic universe and doing his own drat Superman movie. The Rock was shown the door and all the remaining DC movies on the slate (Shazam 2, Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2) were doomed as they were going out there with everyone knowing that they were part of a dead universe. The Rock is still rich as gently caress and successful, but Black Adam shook him, and his star is dimming. He needs that admiration and feelings of being a winner. He has since gone crawling back to the Fast and Furious people, is now working with A24, and got around to returning WWE’s calls. Nowadays, he and Triple H appear to be having a political behind-the-scenes war of their own.
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the rock posting on twitter that might show up at wrestlemania but not every year
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the rock has a very charming and charasmatic presence like Arnold Schwarzenegger but Arnold was okay with making fun of himself and looking like a fool and also knew how to pick movies that played to his strength
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the rock has a very charming and charasmatic presence like Arnold Schwarzenegger but Arnold was okay with making fun of himself and looking like a fool and also knew how to pick movies that played to his strength Jingle all the Way is still a really loving great movie.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the rock has a very charming and charasmatic presence like Arnold Schwarzenegger but Arnold was okay with making fun of himself and looking like a fool and also knew how to pick movies that played to his strength The rock used to be willing to do that, but somewhere around… skyscraper, if my mental timeline is right, it feels like he lost any ability to laugh at himself
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On The Internet posted:Fuggin love how anyone could be like "can someone explain this topic tangentially related to wrasslin" and like clockwork Gavok comes in to drop knowledge bombs. You rule, Gavok. Reminds me of a thread on old GameFAQs where were arguing whether a baseball pitcher had dirt or pine tar on his jersey. One guy was like, "What, are you some kind of dirt expert or something?" And the guy immediately posts a picture of him holding up a 2nd place 4-H plaque for soil identification.
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Time_pants posted:Reminds me of a thread on old GameFAQs where were arguing whether a baseball pitcher had dirt or pine tar on his jersey. One guy was like, "What, are you some kind of dirt expert or something?" And the guy immediately posts a picture of him holding up a 2nd place 4-H plaque for soil identification. badass
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As that other comic book movie quote that is constantly used goes, you either die a hero...Gavok posted:because this is the same cinematic universe where Superman snapped Zod’s neck and was sad for 20 seconds I REALLY must protest this. I feel the complaint about "Superman snapped Zod's neck" is just presenting what happened at its most basic (yes, Superman did indeed snap Zod's neck) and ignoring the details around the scene. Superman didn't willingly do it, Zod forced his hand by firing heat vision that he was slowly sweeping towards people and going "DO IT OR THEY DIE." Why didn't he just fly away with him since he had him in a firm grip or cover his eyes with his invincible hand or etc etc etc? This is a classic error I've seen a lot of people make, based on the fact they're observing the situation from above, wholly safe. They forget that actually being down on the ground in what the characters know as their reality is completely different. In reality, if poo poo goes down, people don't calmly assess what they could be doing and then do it. They PANIC, they go into immediate fight or flight or general I AM NOT CAPABLE OF THINKING THINGS THROUGH RIGHT NOW mode. Yes, Superman is Superman. But in this movie, at this point, he's also never used his powers for combat before Zod and co started loving everything up, up against a professional soldier of his species who was adapting rapidly to the powers being a Kryptonian on Earth granted him. The whole reason Zod vs Superman made such a mess and smashed a hundred buildings was that Superman was basically flailing and doing his besting through the whole thing: he had no experience in such things. So when the cold hearted soldier went KILL ME OR I KILL THEM, the man Superman was at that point of the character in that point of this version of his fiction wasn't capable of thinking. He was wholly in the grip of emotion. So he tried to make Zod stop by begging, and when that didn't work, he went with the only other option he had at the time. He snapped Zod's neck. Yes, other versions of Superman wouldn't have done that. Other versions that were more experienced, had faced a wider variety of threats, etc etc etc. This was a rookie Superman. And even then, he realized immediately afterwards that he'd made the wrong choice: it was poorly executed, what with his comical yell, but it's supposed to indicate that his superhuman senses made him FEEL that death to his very core, and he was realizing that he could never kill, and would never kill, again. You said he was 'sad for twenty seconds', well the movie was ending. How much of an emotional weight should he have demonstrated in the film's last minutes, or in the next film? You can see how he learned from it in how he fights Doomsday in Dawn of Justice: getting the monster to an isolated area, among other things. Now yes, both films have real deep flaws, and are completely hamstrung by WB going both "WE WANT A PIECE OF THE MCU PIE NOW NOW NOW NOW" and "The Dark Knight made tons of money, every film should be like The Dark Knight!" (Lex Luthor in Dawn is not Lex Luthor, he's a calmer Heath Ledger Joker with some Lex Luthor aspects dusted on him). But I really feel the whole 'Superman snaps Zod's neck', even if we ignore arguments over "Superman should NEVER EVER KILL" (which is an impossible circular arbitrary argument so it's pointless), is incredibly overblown and makes it sound like Superman executed a surrendering foe in cold blood. Yeah, maybe a better made film wouldn't have required me to bend over backwards justifying the scene, but the elements to do so are still there. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 07:50 on May 3, 2024 |
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Gavok posted:It honestly got kind of sad. They did a show that was all one big tribute to his career, and Rock didn’t even send a video message or anything their way.
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snyder really loves the dark knight returns batman and thats the only batman he will ever write. he doesn't understand the character of superman at all and thinks he should just use his superpowers to kill people but then feel bad about it later
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rotinaj posted:The rock used to be willing to do that, but somewhere around… skyscraper, if my mental timeline is right, it feels like he lost any ability to laugh at himself Considering all the PEDs he's on and for how long, I'm amazed he hasn't flipped out in public.
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Superman has specifically killed Zod before more than once, Man of Steel just didn't play it for laughs.
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rotinaj posted:The rock used to be willing to do that, but somewhere around… skyscraper, if my mental timeline is right, it feels like he lost any ability to laugh at himself Arnold also famously knew who to work with. James Wan is James Wan, but other than him The Rock has got Michael Bay and then what?
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Gavok posted:BLACK ADAM AND HOW THE ROCK WAS DEPOWERED I'm gonna have to stop you there. They were both garbage. Awesome post though
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Cornwind Evil posted:As that other comic book movie quote that is constantly used goes, you either die a hero... WHY DON'T YOU SAY THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK!
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Monica Bellucci posted:Considering all the PEDs he's on and for how long, I'm amazed he hasn't flipped out in public. His movie math video was a low-key public flipout
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The greatest sin of Zack Snyder's DC run is that we never get the line "I'm the Goddamn Batman!"
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We've seen the pattern with the Rock a few times. No one likes it when a star comes back for Wrestlemania and steals the spotlight. Fans will look back and contrive to find reasons why they suck. Sometimes there are good reasons, as seems to be the case here, other times people get over it when they go away such as with Bautista in Wrestlemania 30. Everyone was like, oh, this Bautista guy, he's always sucked! What an rear end in a top hat! But then he won our hearts back again. The Rock has a long way to go. He'll have to humble himself immensely. Maybe he can play a comic book villain who is always getting beat up and poops himself but the poop jokes are funny and a story will come out about how he donates .5% of all his profits to end puppy mills and people will say, well, that Rock isn't so bad. At least he is no Hulk Hogan. From there he can host Saturday Night Live and make some more poop jokes and parody himself being a big poopy villain and everyone will be like, "Oh, that Rock! Will he run for President in 2028?" But wait, that's too far, and the cycle will begin anew...
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At one point the Rock knew how to make fun of himself, like when he was the only person in the company that truly believed the Hurricane and mild-mannered backstage reporter Gregory Helms were two different people.
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TVGM posted:But Young Rock showed what a fun presidential candidate he'd be one of the WWE games has the Rock as the president lol
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