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Bort and ARob making each other look good* that one time was a very weird year *ok we are grading on a curve here he still led the league in picks
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Silly Burrito posted:
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I'm not sure Allen Robinson was ever that much more than somewhat above average, it's just not that hard to get a thousand yard season if you're being force fed the ball all the time I hated that signing for the Rams at the time and I think that was borne out D-LINK posted:Tyler Boyd is slightly better but way more mentally tough than Diontae Johnson I was actually shocked that Boyd is only two years older than Diontae. I thought he must be at least four years older. All things the same I think I'd take Diontae. I don't think we've really seen all he can do yet given the pacifists' row of quarterbacks the steelers have trotted out during his career.
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Personally I'm really excited for the next 5 months of one on one position drill clips between 7th round picks and the endless debate on whether the match-up is "steel honing steel" or "two used car salesmen whose dads never quite got to own their own dealership so they're still trying the football thing"
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The giants got me good with this last year but also tre hawkins is still ready to blow up in 2024 drat it
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Docjowles posted:For the haters, apparently Nate Tice is leaving the Athletic for an undisclosed job elsewhere in media. I am bummed by this because they had nice friendship chemistry.
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Play posted:I'm not sure Allen Robinson was ever that much more than somewhat above average, it's just not that hard to get a thousand yard season if you're being force fed the ball all the time It is when you're trying to haul in passes from Mitch Trubisky in an offense called by Matt Nagy.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
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Your 2021 1st round busts. https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1786169957140627756?s=46
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Is Najee really a bust or is he just a RB
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a neat cape posted:Is Najee really a bust or is he just a RB ETN got it. The 5th year option for him was like under $7m, so yeah, Najee's a bust sadly. Great story, just a mid player.
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Bucs 2021 first rounder is one year older than Penix.
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a neat cape posted:Is Najee really a bust or is he just a RB The option was only like $6.5m. If your own team doesn’t think you’re worth a Tier 2 FA RB deal I’d say that’s pretty busty.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Your 2021 1st round busts. It should be noted too that is the COVID-19 class. Not saying it's an excuse but something to consider.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Your 2021 1st round busts. Toney was gonna sign for his 5th year option but the Chiefs tossed him the pen
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Who the hell is Caleb Farley. Oh he’s played in like 10 total games for the Titans lol guess that’s why I’ve never heard of him
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a neat cape posted:Is Najee really a bust or is he just a RB He sucks pretty bad when I've watched him play. His vision isn't Richardson levels bad but it's approaching it at times. D-LINK posted:Tyler Boyd is slightly better but way more mentally tough than Diontae Johnson I'd be interested in your take on Diontae. One of my buddies is a steelers fan and he said "dudes always open, but has the worst concentration drops and they get worse when he get angry about not being targeted."
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BlindSite posted:He sucks pretty bad when I've watched him play. His vision isn't Richardson levels bad but it's approaching it at times. To be fair, the guy went from catching passes from a HoFer to Kenny Pickett, and the drop off from even washed-rear end Roethlisberger to Tittie Kisser and Tiny Hands was steep. He's an elite separator, and in fact, he is mostly always open, but he will run backwards and lose yardage in pursuit of YAC, or drop the easiest pass you have ever seen two plays after making a circus catch. He's really frustrating to watch, but he's still kind of productive
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Shrimpy posted:I am bummed by this because they had nice friendship chemistry. Every time I see his name I can't not just remember him as a Wisconsin backup scrub QB
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Diva Cupcake posted:Your 2021 1st round busts. I care about football to the point of regularly posting about it on a dead comedy forum and I have absolutely no idea who Payton Turner and Jamin Davis are
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Mystic Stylez posted:I care about football to the point of regularly posting about it on a dead comedy forum and I have absolutely no idea who Payton Turner and Jamin Davis are 
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Mystic Stylez posted:Jamin Davis are Pretty sure I saw that name on Pornhub.
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I wonder the average number of players each year that have their fifth year options declined. Probably not a thing I can easily look up. Najee Harris is probably the bust that surprises me the most. No such thing as a safe draft pick.
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Docjowles posted:Who the hell is Caleb Farley. Oh he’s played in like 10 total games for the Titans lol guess that’s why I’ve never heard of him He had back problems/surgery before our lovely previous GM drafted him in the first. Then his mom died. Last year the house he owned where his dad was living literally exploded from a supposed gas leak. Dude has had a rough go.
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Mystic Stylez posted:I care about football to the point of regularly posting about it on a dead comedy forum and I have absolutely no idea who Payton Turner and Jamin Davis are Payton Turner was a defensive end that was regularly projected in the third round, but Sean Payton grabbed him in the first. He's been hurt pretty much all the time.
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Silly Burrito posted:Payton Turner was a defensive end that was regularly projected in the third round, but Sean Payton grabbed him in the first. He's been hurt pretty much all the time. The Saints and over drafting defensive ends that spend half their time on IR and aren’t very good when they play. Name a more iconic pairing.
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fsif posted:I wonder the average number of players each year that have their fifth year options declined. Probably not a thing I can easily look up. Note that the 2020 CBA changed the rules from guaranteed for injury (aka not at all) to fully guaranteed, so the numbers should be way higher for declines from 2017 on. Second note, I never want to hear about trading into the first for the 5th year option again, look at all those late 1st round declines, who loving cares. For 2020 it looks like it was 14 straight declined, one extension that was basically the same thing, one ineligible due to a trade, one in prison and 3 guys cut, so 19/20 of 32 2: Chase Young 3: Jeff Okudah 8: Isaiah Simmons 9: C.J. Henderson 11: Mekhi Becton 12: Henry Ruggs 14: Javon Kinlaw 18: Austin Jackson 19: Damon Arnette 20: K'Lavon Chaisson 21: Jalen Reagor 23: Kenneth Murray 24: Cesar Ruiz 26: Jordan Love (doesn't really count) 27: Jordyn Brooks 28: Patrick Queen 29: Isaiah Wilson 30: Noah Igbinoghene 31: Jeff Gladney 32: Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2019: 13 declined / cut / whatever 4: Clelin Ferrell 6: Daniel Jones 10: Devin Bush 15: Dwayne Haskins 18: Garrett Bradbury 22: Andre Dillard 24: Josh Jacobs 27: Jonathan Abram 28: Jerry Tillery 29: LJ Collier 30: Deandre Baker 31: Kaleb McGary 32: N'Keal Harry 2018: 10 10: Josh Rosen 19: Leighton Vander Esch 21: Billy Price 22: Rashaan Evans 25: Hayden Hurst 27: Rashaad Penny 28: Terrell Edmunds 29: Taven Bryan 30: Mike Hughes 31: Sony Michel 2017: 14 2: Mitchell Trubisky 3: Solomon Thomas 4: Leonard Fournette 5: Corey Davis 9: John Ross 13: Haason Reddick 15: Malik Hooker 20: Garett Bolles 21: Jarrad Davis 22: Charles Harris 24: Gareon Conley 26: Takkarist McKinley 28: Taco Charlton 31: Reuben Foster 2016: 14! 8: Jack Conklin 10: Eli Apple 14: Karl Joseph 15: Corey Coleman 19: Shaq Lawson 20: Darron Lee 22: Josh Doctson 23: Laquon Treadwell 25: Artie Burns 26: Paxton Lynch 28: Joshua Garnett 29: Robert Nkemdiche 30: Vernon Butler 31: Germain Ifedi Kalli fucked around with this message at 03:14 on May 3, 2024 |
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is it that much better in the years prior to 2017? 50% hitrate lines up with a study that was done on 2010-2017 drafts (very cursory google search coming off of the vikings sbnation, i did not do much more research than that): "The 33rd Team did a study, based on the 2010-2017 NFL draft classes, which have now all completed their rookie contracts, to see what percentage of players signed a second contract with the team that drafted them. The results aren’t any better than the previous study."  i gave up and went ahead and looked back to 2013 and yeah 12 is pretty much the number 2016: 12 2015: 12 2014: 6 (3 were cut) 2013: 13 (1 was cut)
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i think the note about guaranteed for injury vs fully guaranteed gets countered by the insanely rising cap ceiling which i dont think fifth year options have properly scaled with. the fifth year option isn't the franchise tag, its calculated at a way, way lower rate. even if you end up on the hook after a lovely/injury 4th year, the gamble generally ends up being worth it. only qbs (who's fifth year options will hit that 20-25mil cap hit) will be seen as really bad value if they dont pan out. otherwise most sit somewhere between around 7-15mil, and you need sicko mode players (jamarr chase, micha parsons) whos option would exceed that 20mil mark, which is a good problem to have anyway and you'd still rather option them than franchise them.
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Kalli posted:26: Paxton Lynch laughing about this again
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Mystic Stylez posted:laughing about this again 
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Anyone who had doubts before that clip came out knew right then and there that he was gonna be awful. I’m still amazed he never ended up with the Browns or Bears.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The Saints and over drafting defensive ends that spend half their time on IR and aren’t very good when they play. Name a more iconic pairing. T*m Br*dy and cheating
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fartknocker posted:Anyone who had doubts before that clip came out knew right then and there that he was gonna be awful. I’m still amazed he never ended up with the Browns or Bears. The post-Peyton Broncos are the new home for bust QBs. The best QB they've had since was, what, Flacco?
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Mega64 posted:The best QB they've had since was, what, Flacco? just asking to be tied to a chair and offered a dangerwich.
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