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Open Source Idiom posted:I dunno if this is much different from television in the 90s or 80s or 00's or whatever... This is true to an extent, but there are a few key differences in the era of modern streaming TV. First, consider production costs: shows are more expensive to produce these days. That's one reason you see shorter seasons. Amazon is making a bet on this show, and they want to see how it performs before investing too much. With a shorter season and fewer set pieces to use, you aim for a dense story that requires all 8 episodes to tell. Those other mysteries can wrap-up later, once they know the show is a success. There's also a lot of metrics that streaming services review that didn't exist back then. How many episodes did the household watch in a row? How quickly did they finish a season? Metrics like those can be massaged with how the episodes (and their mysteries) are structured. I'm still not entirely sure why Vault 4 refugees were stripping naked to worship their cult leader, but by putting a creepy reveal at the end of an episode, they probably had more people continue their binge sessions. Some of the shows you mentioned have a central mystery as the driving force of the series. Fallout had different reasons for dripping out its plot. Hopefully Fallout isn't that dependent on a single storyline, because the world has plenty of good ones to tell.
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I rewatched the show last week looking for some of the scenes that have raised questions, like Cooper and Maximus in Filly. The most reasonable explanation I have is that it just didn't seem like BoS curiosity got the better of him since whoever was driving this thing clearly wasn't trained, and there was no squire. Mechanically, I like the AP idea of him just being out of it. He did accurately kill several people before that. But as usual, as said here, it's just tv writing. The real question is what did Maximus leg suddenly get trapped and then released from that board at such a convenient timing. That board really changed the story. All praise be to the board.
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May 2, 2024 19:42
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I'm constantly getting stuck in geometry in Bethesda games so that's just the show being more faithful to the material.
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May 2, 2024 20:52
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So Jonathan Nolan has a thing now of multiple storylines, often in different time periods, that climax together I’m remembering that Stephen King’s It did this as well (at least in the book. The movies don’t) Can anyone think of an earlier example of this Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 21:27 on May 2, 2024 |
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May 2, 2024 20:57
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Not earlier but Dunkirk did the same thing and the first season of The Witcher made a messy attempt at it. Or Cloud Atlas.
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May 2, 2024 21:25
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SCheeseman posted:I'm constantly getting stuck in geometry in Bethesda games so that's just the show being more faithful to the material. Great point
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May 2, 2024 22:39
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Steve Yun posted:So Jonathan Nolan has a thing now of multiple storylines, often in different time periods, that climax together I think this is quite a lot of shows tbh. Possibly most genre shows being made these days. The most recent season of Chucky, the most recent season of Resident Alien... they're all shows with multiple subplots that often only tangentially relate to each other and either converge or at least come to a climax around the same time because it's the end of the season. Unless I'm misundertaanding you I reckon it'd be easier to name shows that didn't do this e.g. The Last Of Us
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May 3, 2024 00:00
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Monarch: Legacy of Monsters kind of did it too. Have to hand it to them though, Wyatt Russell playing the younger version of his father Kurt's character worked very well. (There was one particular match cut between the two of them that was just  .)
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May 3, 2024 00:17
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Open Source Idiom posted:
No you’re right I guess I should narrow it to multiple plots that are in different time periods
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May 3, 2024 00:24
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Hey now, you're making me want to rewatch Dark. Careful, I'm not sure I have the time.
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May 3, 2024 00:54
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Cooper just didn't want to take the karma hit of killing Maximus, when he can eliminate him from the fight with one melee hit to that hose. Instead of having to pick up pieces of power armor up to his carry weight and turn them in one by one to a BoS exile to slowly bring his BoS karma back up to zero.
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May 3, 2024 02:57
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Just finished the season and it was pretty good overall. A lot of interesting characters to meet and lots of threads to pick up on. Maybe too many but who knows how long Amazon will keep funding the product. I do have a similar complaints regarding the vaults in that Hank definitely knew or should have been aware that Vault 32 was a destroyed wreck. Why would he need to setup some elaborate marriage sham? It's not even like his wife could have had a change of heart and would come back to Vault 33; he nuked her lol. So why even open Vault 33 to 32 at all? Similarly who actually cleaned up Vault 32? The show definitely made it seem like it was cleaned up extremely quickly so who cleared it up?
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May 3, 2024 06:09
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OGS-Remix posted:The show definitely made it seem like it was cleaned up extremely quickly so who cleared it up? Assuming they can get back into their pods, which seems to be the case, it might have been thawed out middle managers taking a temporary break from refridgeration
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I just thought it was Mr. Handys inside the walls.
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I've been going back through the show and want to go back to a previous post of mine regarding the overseer's terminal being busted up in 32. When Norm and Chet are going through Vault 32, seeing all the carnage, the overseer's terminal is still working. That's how Norm finds out that the exterior door was opened by his mom's pipboy. It's only when everything has been cleaned up that the terminal is destroyed. This just leaves me with further questions. When everyone is going nuts, the overseer of 32 definitely could have contacted 31 or 33. The only thing I can think of is that they got sick of "when things are glum, vote 31" and removed the overseer from 31 and voted in one of their own. So then the new overseer starts looking into things and finds out about the situation with 31, tells people, and then they all go nuts. What I can't wrap my head around is that no one else found out about this. Maybe they didn't contact 33 because they figured (correctly) that there was a 31 stooge installed there too, so there would be no way to get around him to contact someone else. And then it would have to be that Bud is so incompetent and aloof that he can't even tell when someone is trying to break down his door. So I guess when Moldaver and her crew break into the vault, see everyone is dead, she goes through the overseer's terminal and then sees that there are these personnel exchanges. So then she contacts Vault 33 as the overseer to set up an exchange so she can get into Vault 33 and get Hank. But then there's the question of why the terminal is busted up when the vault is cleaned up. What's the point? If Steph is from 31, she knows the deal and would be able to handle knowing about what happened. I know it's just a show and I should really just relax, but everything else about this show feels buttoned up and this feels not that.
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What was the stuff the snakeoil doctor injected the weaselly squire with that turned him into a ghoul? Because, apart from eventually turning you into a mindless cannibal, that stuff seems pretty amazing.
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There is really no reason to think Thaddeus is going to turn into a ghoul specifically, outside of Maximus’s saying so (which hardly strikes me as authoritative).
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May 3, 2024 08:49
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Good luck dealing with the "it was said in the show, it must be true" crowd.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:What was the stuff the snakeoil doctor injected the weaselly squire with that turned him into a ghoul? In New Vegas, Hydra will instantly heal a broken leg, instantly heal a hand that was holding an exploding stick of dynamite, and instantly heal a concussion after you've been hit in the head with a sledgehammer. One trick is to take a dose of Hydra, then quickly step in a bear trap fifty times in a row, and you'll gain a perk that makes your limbs more resistant to damage.
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Fallout was my first CRPG back in 6th grade. I’m overall so pleased with this show. I can forgive a lot in exchange for how well they’ve captured the world of Fallout. It got me to grab the Modiphius ttrpg, something I haven’t collected or played in about three years.
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MMAgCh posted:There is really no reason to think Thaddeus is going to turn into a ghoul specifically, outside of Maximus’s saying so (which hardly strikes me as authoritative). Yeah, Chicken Fucker definitely made some bootleg FEV.
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MMAgCh posted:There is really no reason to think Thaddeus is going to turn into a ghoul specifically, outside of Maximus’s saying so (which hardly strikes me as authoritative). Chicken fucker also says something like "there's a lot of radiation that way, but that won't be a problem for you now" after the treatment, which at the very least sounds ghoul-adjacent.
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I'm wondering if Bud was also micromanaging both Vaults 32 and 33 and keeping their operations separate even from overseers. Like maybe after the Vault 32 riot Hank got a message from Bud saying "yeah we've taken care of the cleanup and reset the Vault with the survivors and a new unthawed overseer, call it a bad harvest or something" and that's the last Hank thought of it.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Chicken fucker also says something like "there's a lot of radiation that way, but that won't be a problem for you now" after the treatment, which at the very least sounds ghoul-adjacent. While ghouls are the more radiationy ones, super mutants also are fine with radiation. Who knows how widely known that is though. Chicken fucker seem like a worldly sort, so may know this. Ghoul does seem more likely with the specific mention about radation though. Seems like the type of line that's meant to be a strong hint. With one of the three main characters being a ghoul as well, also seems like it would be a good choice, as it would be pretty easy to through those two togther for a bit. Old ghoul and person just becoming ghoul.
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e: a reply to completely the wrong thread somehow
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In the lore I believe there are chemicals that can ghoulify yourself though it appears to be in side quests I didnt play. When he got it out the inhaler like delivery my first thought was Jet and the gag was going to be it was something so potent it just made you not care your leg was mangled.
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It could also be the Mysterious Serum, though that one is less about regeneration from injuries and more about long life without the rotting
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It doesn't need an answer. Fallout has always flirted with the idea that there's a little bit of magic and mysticism in the world.
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Remember that every mainline Fallout has had psychic characters.
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Mama Murphy and the Forecaster need to get together.
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MMAgCh posted:There is really no reason to think Thaddeus is going to turn into a ghoul specifically, outside of Maximus’s saying so (which hardly strikes me as authoritative). Sorta true, but that’s a pretty good guess by Maximus given an arrow doesn’t cause death…
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Cojawfee posted:I've been going back through the show and want to go back to a previous post of mine regarding the overseer's terminal being busted up in 32. When Norm and Chet are going through Vault 32, seeing all the carnage, the overseer's terminal is still working. That's how Norm finds out that the exterior door was opened by his mom's pipboy. It's only when everything has been cleaned up that the terminal is destroyed. This just leaves me with further questions. When everyone is going nuts, the overseer of 32 definitely could have contacted 31 or 33. I just don't think those vaults were in regular contact at all, despite being only a door away, and the only ones who had that access were probably all from 31 to begin with. This seemed like it was an intentional part of the experiment.
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TaurusTorus posted:Remember that every mainline Fallout has had psychic characters. Fallout 2 had a legitimate ghost too. Supernatural poo poo is plentiful in the setting, so magical stuff showing up doesn't really bother me much unless you get into literal "a wizard did it."
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Is the one in 4 real or is she like one of those daytime tv scam psychics
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Steve Yun posted:Is the one in 4 real or is she like one of those daytime tv scam psychics She's legit. You just need to get her hopped up on drugs first.
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Steve Yun posted:Is the one in 4 real or is she like one of those daytime tv scam psychics She's real, she can give you the code that shuts down whatever synth you go up against in the main story.
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I think it'd be funnier if Thaddeus turns into a Super Mutant instead of a Ghoul but I think that's a lot of makeup/CGI to put on a secondary character. I also find it funny when Lucy asks them aren't the Brotherhood the good guys and both Thaddeus and Maximus are like well it's complicated in unision.
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Alchenar posted:It doesn't need an answer. Fallout has always flirted with the idea that there's a little bit of magic and mysticism in the world. Yeah, Fallout has never been that realistic a setting, most main game have had some sorta magic, mysticism, paranormal things going on in them. Games are all full of whacky poo poo. Usually lean more on b-movie sci-fi stuff, but straight up supernatural often just happens.
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Mylan posted:Fallout 2 had a legitimate ghost too. Supernatural poo poo is plentiful in the setting, so magical stuff showing up doesn't really bother me much unless you get into literal "a wizard did it." Interesting! So we had the supernatural before the Dunwich Building.
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New Vegas also has ghost whispering to you if you go to the cemetery at night. To be fair that could just be because of all the drugs the courier is constantly on.
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