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Sorry to encourage more superhero movie chat, but another big takeaway from Man of Steel was the amount of destruction Superman caused. It wasn't just about killing Zod, but that the fight with Zod had immense collateral damage that Superman appeared to have no regard for. It was so heavily criticized that it absolutely influenced the plot of Batman v Superman and may have also influenced Age of Ultron. WB had an idea of building a universe around Zack Snyder's vision, whether he would be involved in future projects or not. These movies were all going to exist in the world he created, and it was a dismal and cynical world, and the general audience was not receiving that very well. I don't fault WB for wanting to differentiate their style from what Marvel was doing, and maybe even thinking they'd have a tone similar to the Burton Batman films that people liked so much, but they dropped the ball in choosing Zack Snyder to lead all of this. In 2014, Marvel had sold the world on Guardians of the Galaxy. Many people speculated this film would be a huge misstep for Marvel/Disney, trying to get people to take an interest in a solo film about characters nobody had ever heard of before. But Marvel had built up a lot of good will with moviegoers by this point, and then it had some good trailers that introduced the characters and the tone of the movie and had a talking raccoon shooting people while hanging out with Chris Pratt and a tree person. People were interested. People went to see the movie. People loved the money and the characters. James Gunn was being eyed as the person would would oversee the direction of Marvel's galactic side of things (before being fired because of pressure from chuds digging up old tweets). Like, it was a pretty huge win for Marvel. Now we talk about Deadpool. Ryan Reynolds had been signed on for the character and showed up in X-Men Origins: Wolverine as a horribly butchered version, but he wanted to pursue the character further and provide a more comic-accurate version in a film. Things had moved forward at Fox for a while, before they canned the whole idea. Eventually, the proof of concept video made it to the internet, and got people talking and wanting to see THIS Deadpool in a movie. The response was positive and loud enough, that Fox picked it back up and went on to make the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time, released in early 2016. What does any of this have to do with WB? Everything. If you watch the trailers one after another, Suicide Squad is being presented in a very similar way to how Guardians of the Galaxy was introduced to people, and seems to be right in line with that and Deadpool. And that's not exactly a bad thing... except that the trailer was apparently extremely misleading. This had been a tone created in editing by the people who made the trailer, either because they thought it should be like this, or because WB did. But either way, people LIKED the trailer. People were looking forward to another movie like Guardians or even Deadpool. The problem was that WB didn't have this movie, and they started panicking. They took the movie away from David Ayer, did extensive reshoots, and gave editing to the people that made the trailer, in a desperate attempt to make something people were expecting. And it was a complete mess. Financially, it did well enough, but the backlash for the movie and for WB/DC put it into more of a "Fool me once..." kinda situation, and WB knew they had some really big problems, especially because Wonder Woman and Justice League were on the horizon and would shift the tone wildly back toward Snyder's world after this detour. If you were WB, you could maybe say this would be a "return to form," except the "form" was something people already didn't like, so it wasn't a strong selling point. In short, they had a huge crisis of faith AND identity happening. This would lead to Joss Whedon coming in to Avengers-ify Justice League after Snyder had to step away. The take-away from all of this, though, is that WB had no idea what they were doing or how to fix it. When they stepped in to have a stronger hand in things, it made things worse, so they... stopped doing that. They let directors have a bit more freedom in what they wanted to do again, and because none of them were Zack Snyder, it kinda worked. Aquaman, Shazam, Birds of Prey, and Wonder Woman 84 were all regarded, at the time as "Not Bad" and it almost looked like the ship could be righted. Hey, let's just keep giving people freedom to make stuff how they want! Hey, Disney dropped James Gunn, so let's grab him up and get him to make a new Suicide Squad! Hey, people really liked that movie, so let's just tap him to be the head of rebooting all of this (eventually, after we clear out our backlog of stuff we already had in the pipeline)! Hey, The Rock has a vision for Black Adam! That's not to say that WB was completely hands-off or anything (It was their decision to have a Black Adam movie as a separate vehicle for Johnson in the first place), but I definitely think the state of things at the time really let him flex his muscle and experience a great deal of control over the production. That's a big part of why he lost his poo poo when the movie wasn't a huge success, because it really was "his project." There wasn't anybody else to really deflect to. THIS was The Rock being let off the leash. THIS is what he had to show us for his efforts. Obviously, there were signs of his attitude and weird behaviors prior to this (that's how we got here in the first place), but I think post-Black Adam, The Rock has just kinda given up. "gently caress it, I'm just gonna show up to filming late and piss in bottles because none of this matters. Make me into a CGI scorpion again. Whatever." Edit; tl;dr The Rock is probably really loving miserable right now. Jamesman fucked around with this message at 22:57 on May 3, 2024 |
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Jamesman posted:Sorry to encourage more superhero movie chat, but another big takeaway from Man of Steel was the amount of destruction Superman caused. It wasn't just about killing Zod, but that the fight with Zod had immense collateral damage that Superman appeared to have no regard for. It was so heavily criticized that it absolutely influenced the plot of Batman v Superman and may have also influenced Age of Ultron. lmao no poo poo dude, it was literally the opneing scene to that movie where it was depicted as Super-9/11 that traumatized Batman into wanting to gently caress Superman up.
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May 3, 2024 22:58
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batman vs superman is very bad but it would have been improved if the hulkster had accepted the offer to be superman, jack
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If John Cena ever starts riffing on you in front of a crowd, just wait. He'll eventually conclude by telling everyone that you cant see him, and that's when you counter with this combo: "Well, I definitely can't see your hair-line anymore." "You can be a Hogan fan, but don't steal the horseshoe." "You never go full Hulkster, brother." Hit those three lines in a row and he'll have no choice but to turn heel right then and there.
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May 3, 2024 23:02
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cena cant turn heel because he grants too many wishes for sick children he'd just make you the heel even if he uses heel tactics to kill you
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May 3, 2024 23:05
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:cena cant turn heel because he grants too many wishes for sick children he'd just make you the heel even if he uses heel tactics to kill you What if a dying kid wishes he'd be, like, really loving evil?
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May 3, 2024 23:10
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So in the end, Zach Snyder understands superheroes even less then he understands how to tell a good story. Dwayne Johnson needs to be less insecure. Cena understands he's better at being a goofy muscle man then a serious muscle man. Batista understood he needed to learn how to act and so he did and can be the serious muscle man.
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May 3, 2024 23:16
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Peacemaker is the only good DC show Though the second iteration of Suicide Squad wasn't half bad
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May 3, 2024 23:19
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Grendels Dad posted:What if a dying kid wishes he'd be, like, really loving evil? then the dr of thuganomics will return
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:cena cant turn heel because he grants too many wishes for sick children he'd just make you the heel even if he uses heel tactics to kill you He defended Vince after the Janel Grant lawsuit came out. gently caress him Also the Rock recently started posting tweets whining about cancel culture and woke Both human garbage
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May 3, 2024 23:28
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:cena is everything dwayne wants to be right now lol I feel like a decade ago people were saying that Rock was everything Hogan wanted to be. poo poo really don't change (much).
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May 3, 2024 23:34
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Paul Revere 3000 posted:I feel like a decade ago people were saying that Rock was everything Hogan wanted to be. he still is because the hulkster never broke into hollywood like Cena and Dwayne
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May 3, 2024 23:38
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Peacemaker is the only good DC show If the Rock played Peacemaker, instead of that scene where he has a crying jag in his trailer before Vigilante shows up and gets him to make excuses involving face muscle exercises, Peacemaker would have just been working out normally and then berated Vigilante when he showed up.
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May 3, 2024 23:45
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Peacemaker is the only good DC show
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May 3, 2024 23:48
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the rock's greatest achievement will be Doom
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May 3, 2024 23:49
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Peacemaker is the only good DC show Doom Patrol ruled
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Grendels Dad posted:Oh gently caress off. Sorry the truth makes you mad.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the rock has a very charming and charasmatic presence like Arnold Schwarzenegger but Arnold was okay with making fun of himself and looking like a fool and also knew how to pick movies that played to his strength arnold also knew how to get his rivals to pick bad movies by pretending he was interested then backing out. see stop or mom will shoot. arnold probably has a masters in psycology just from his mr olympia days
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May 4, 2024 02:27
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the way arnold played lou ferrigno while "mentoring" him is legendary
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MrQwerty posted:the way arnold played lou ferrigno while "mentoring" him is legendary Uh-uh. Can't leave the story there.
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Time_pants posted:Uh-uh. Can't leave the story there. I mean, there's a whole-rear end documentary about it that turned Arnold into a famous movie star
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MrQwerty posted:I mean, there's a whole-rear end documentary about it that turned Arnold into a famous movie star Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Gotcha. I didn't know this was that.
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Jamesman posted:Sorry to encourage more superhero movie chat, but another big takeaway from Man of Steel was the amount of destruction Superman caused. It wasn't just about killing Zod, but that the fight with Zod had immense collateral damage that Superman appeared to have no regard for. It was so heavily criticized that it absolutely influenced the plot of Batman v Superman and may have also influenced Age of Ultron. The Rock really broke into the acting scene from WWE, but guys like Bausta and Cena are much better at it them him
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:The Rock really broke into the acting scene from WWE, but guys like Bausta and Cena are much better at it them him Straight up. The roles he was best at were in comedies. Do you remember The Rock's appearance in the Reno 911 movie? Dude was in it for like 2 minutes and it was great! Not a chance in hell he'd ever do anything even remotely like that again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H53kBYo1Jx8
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Rock has turned into his character from The Other Guys, even to the point of doing things he thinks are badass but are actually to his own detriment.
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The Rock was a much better actor before he decided he had a brand
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Time_pants posted:Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Gotcha. I didn't know this was that. there are a few "plotlines" in Pumping Iron, but the most engrossing one is definitely Arnold mentoring Lou in a way only the kind of rear end in a top hat Arnold is can
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:The Rock was a much better actor before he decided he had a brand poo poo. I have never heard it put so succinctly.
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Cubone posted:seriously
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Time_pants posted:Uh-uh. Can't leave the story there. i thought everyone knew. but in pumping iron arnold relentlessly but subtly tears down lou ferrigno so hard that lou who should of won by all rights. kind of threw the competition. the one i remember the most was he took lou and lous parents out to eat and kept talking about how lou isnt ready to win hes to young and how arnold is ready to win. arnold is younger the lou
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arnold is cool as hell
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MILK IS FOR BABIES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOGS9cilKM
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arnold is what so many loser fake self-made men claim to be he came to the country with nothing but through hardwork and determination bullied and tormented lou ferrigno into winning mr olympia and becoming a multi-millionaire
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:arnold is what so many loser fake self-made men claim to be he came to the country with nothing but through hardwork and determination bullied and tormented lou ferrigno into winning mr olympia and becoming a multi-millionaire absolutely, as well as a two-term Governor of California
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arnold's father was a nazi and arnold called him and the other nazis losers in his village losers that should have killed themselves
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ngl pumping iron is one of my favorite movies, like top 10
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some of it is scripted but its a compelling story of one austrian man being an incredible rear end in a top hat its a pro watch
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Arnold is in the wwe all of fame too
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:some of it is scripted but its a compelling story of one austrian man being an incredible rear end in a top hat its a pro watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4MRiUeSE8
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