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Mandoric posted:Retaining walls are more, in my experience, for making the most of tight space by strictly terracing switchbacks and the like. For big pit mines, it's easier to just let it all fall and not build that close to their edges. I agree in general, don't use walls unless you need to - just let it fall and don't have stuff too near the top edge. I'm not a wall expert and I've not done switchbacks yet so maybe there are pro techniques I am missing. One thing not mentioned is you can fit 2 tiers in a single mining square if the top one is on the "back" side. This is relevant because you can't mine a square where a wall is. Here's an example of what I did with that giant coal mine on gold peak. I built a ramp on coal, making walls as I go because I foolishly built way, way too close to the mine. This was a lot of pause-build hassle every time I scooped near it.  Once I hit the bottom I filled in a new ramp with slag and rock and then mined out the old ramp because it was made of coal.  Once I got all the coal I was willing to go for, it's time to fill it in.  Deconstruct the walls as stuff becomes level enough.  Finally, flatten it out and remove all the walls for usable space: 
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Haul truck question. The descriptions say that the dump truck can only carry 'loose' items, and the haul tanker can only carry liquid and gas. Does that mean I have to keep a bunch of smaller trucks to carry 'flat' items, or can the Dump truck carry things like iron plates?
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The Locator posted:Haul truck question. The descriptions say that the dump truck can only carry 'loose' items, and the haul tanker can only carry liquid and gas. Does that mean I have to keep a bunch of smaller trucks to carry 'flat' items, or can the Dump truck carry things like iron plates? You still need small trucks for flat stuff.
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Enigma posted:You still need small trucks for flat stuff. Bummer, thanks.
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Rolling up to the Storage with 36 tons of delicate Electronics and throwing the lever to hoist the bed, ignoring the screams and smashing noises as everything tumbles out.
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LonsomeSon posted:Rolling up to the Storage with 36 tons of delicate Electronics and throwing the lever to hoist the bed, ignoring the screams and smashing noises as everything tumbles out. Says here on the manifest that you ordered a dump truck full of appliances? Look man, I just follow the work order, take it up with the boss!
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I was driving down the turnpike a few years ago and passed a dump truck full of … celery. Not packaged or anything, just a big old truck full of celery. Made sense I guess, but it was weird.
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Ok this all made me think: I’d like to be able to, say, assign one truck to handle only Loose Food jobs, for instance. IDK why you’d want that particularly, the idea is to be able to group jobs, or structures for purposes of job assignments. I guess a better example is that right now I’ve got dump trucks assigned directly to output storages, from mines and import, because More Space on the end of the island I’m using is my only real shortage. There’s three Rock silos and my Gold silo working like this atm and it would be great to be able to group them together and assign their trucks to them collectively, so I don’t have one guy waiting around for Rock when there’s two truckloads of Gold standing by. We really loving need space to put down all the advanced nuclear fuel reprocessing next to the reactors, so I can take one offline and convert it to an FBR with stupor steam! You could have a truck squadron which just handles settlement goods, doing the opposite thing: accepting some downtime from the specific assignment so that you can know gaps will be filled immediately when they happen.
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Sometimes, I load up CoI and decide I want to play Dwarf Fortress.
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Mandoric posted:Sometimes, I load up CoI and decide I want to play Dwarf Fortress. I mentioned some time back in this thread I think - I kinda wish there was a mode where I could just play digging simulator and see what cool stuff I can do with them without needing to worry about keeping everything else running. On trucks, I wish they were smarter about job assignments. I let a couple of dump trucks loose in the wild, not assigned to a mine, and noticed one of them driving around almost empty. I finally figured out that I had my compactor set to accept truck shipments, and the intake storage not set to 'keep full', so that was the root cause and was easily fixed, but I had 60+ regular yellow trucks, but no, it was the mega dump truck that was shuttling recyclables 24 at a time to fill the intake of the compactor, where there were plenty of stone/dirt fill jobs that would have had it taking entire loads. lol. Of course, that did let me find the problem with my recyclable compactor intake.
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While on the topic of fiddly-little-things, I'd like to be able to tell excavators to dump their buckets if they don't have a full load. You get a perfect tempo going with t2's 20 unit bucket into pickups or t3's 60 unit bucket into trucks, but that only lasts until the first time a smaller truck pulls up to them or there aren't 60 units of material in a tile, then they spend the rest of their life dumping the half-scoop they hold, taking a full scoop, dumping from that to finish off the transport, ending up holding half,...
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Do I need to keep Radioactive Waste Storage sites running/staffed once they're full or can I pause them?
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May 5, 2024 22:26
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:Do I need to keep Radioactive Waste Storage sites running/staffed once they're full or can I pause them? Wiki says you can pause, can't confirm from experience but it wouldn't make much sense for it to not to (then it wouldn't decay outside of proper storage? But if it's not decaying it's not irradiating the environs and where does the impetus to use the specific building come from?) The Locator posted:I mentioned some time back in this thread I think - I kinda wish there was a mode where I could just play digging simulator and see what cool stuff I can do with them without needing to worry about keeping everything else running. TBH my current run goes heavily into this philosophy, and it kinda works. If food/water/unity are positive slopes, trees are being farmed, and energy needs are being met by huge deposits or the offshores that last centuries, you really don't have to push, or indeed pay much attention while the clock ticks over--every ten or twenty years I find the one thing I thought was perfectly balanced but instead has a deficit of ten or so units a year, fix it, and move on, and the big expansion will come when the mountain's flattened.
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May 6, 2024 02:56
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The impetus to use the nuclear product storage bunker is you can only store nuclear products with those buildings, I think.
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There's always nice long belt trips! Actually, this has me thinking again about a) a labor theory of CoI value and b) a caloric theory of CoI economics; in raw mats the 150 steel 500 concrete/340 const2 640 rubber trade, or broken down even further the 45 iron vs. 140 concrete, 255 wood, 320 copper, 720 rubber, trade is obviously in favor of the storage as it should be, but I'd like to know exactly how and why. Labor's of course going to be tetchy for the obvious reasons much smarter people than I have spent their lifetimes on re: describing socially necessary labor against a backdrop of increasing mechanization and the cost of social reproduction against a backdrop of increasingly efficient farming, but the caloric half should be a rote solution given that the ratios of steam to mechanical energy, steam to heat, and mechanical energy to electricity all stay steadyish (might be weirdness around small vs. large diesel generators?) Mandoric fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 6, 2024 |
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Mandoric posted:There's always nice long belt trips! Mandoric posted:I'm in the diesel-to-hydrogen transition on my current save, and I'd definitely be careful about full conversion right away--the apparent decent sources of hydrogen before nukes and unlimited electrolysis are all refining diesel production byproducts. Best to keep a balance, unless I'm missing something critical. I think before you endeavor to start measuring and comparing, you should look into reducing your variables by converting down to watts like you thought before. Without establishing a common value for every input, you're going to have a miserable time making any judgements. But it's complex as hell because you've got to follow the path of pretty much every resource back to coal and water (the two most basic inputs to power), and the only reason I haven't given it a shot myself is the complexity of relationships for even something like "an iron plate" is wild. Some things are easier to measure than others I think (things that directly compete for steam like the production of hydrogen, and things that are direct byproducts of that process) but what is the opportunity cost in MW of making Household Goods? The sum of the opportunity cost in MW hours of Glass, Wood, and Steel, plus that of maintenance for a given level of tech... There's a good reason economists most often use monetary value as their proxy for this--with COI we're functionally trying to create prices from nothing.
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Warmachine posted:I think before you endeavor to start measuring and comparing, you should look into reducing your variables by converting down to watts like you thought before. Without establishing a common value for every input, you're going to have a miserable time making any judgements. But it's complex as hell because you've got to follow the path of pretty much every resource back to coal and water (the two most basic inputs to power), and the only reason I haven't given it a shot myself is the complexity of relationships for even something like "an iron plate" is wild. The problem with purely caloric (or wattage, but both for authenticity to physics reasons and that watts through diesel are likely to be the iffiest of those three measures) theories of value is conversely that, especially in CoI, labor-days produce a variable but internally specific wattage (in the early game shifting around based on exactly how far coal has to be hauled but later quite formally scalable to uranium mining-rate) while wattage produces an extremely variable labor-days-equivalent (especially because balanced food is a unity rather than a pop generator, while IRL unity doesn't exist and satisfied pops produce fewer pops, but also just because robo-assys have limited recipe books.) I mean, at the end of the day you can go centuries if you want to in Fallout Mode where no one's moving that skeleton from the apocalypse away from the kitchen table, just dig dig dig as soon as you can get diesel somehow. You can't go a tick without someone there to staff the boiler. What ultimately limits your spread rate is continually supporting food/water/sewage/luxury needs of your housing, because your housing is the only non-negotiable (even roboassy 2s hooked to server farms need those farms to be staffed,) so that has to be the primary bar. And at the minimum, a lot of big unprocessed resources have a hard labor-per-unit target of, uh, whatever rate the world-map mines work at.
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Working on understanding fertility better to do the analysis (after all, the workday-cost of a workday is a very important figure!), but in the meantime... Nuclear is up and running, and it's great. Coal-fueled power production has not been fully dismantled because there's a nasty power-to-spin-up requirement, but it's paused, which is significantly reducing both coal and settlement-adjacent water consumption. As an aside, don't make the mistake like me of seeing that there are four settings on the power bar and splitting the process into two subunits--the settings are 0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, so needs three rather than two subunits or 2x gets real weird. A two-line oil refinery complex with little cracking logic is getting extremely stretched at 150+ vehicles and using all of the island. Not quite to breaking, because running diesel full blast covers all the hydrogen, but bad. I had to delay a fill project to give myself a bit more room for the docks of the nuclear complex, so I hadn't been able to get anything better going, but I am now cracking mountains down in earnest and making good time on it, and when that's done I'll be able to get up to six lines--if I don't hit superheated steam before that. Which just leaves putting my housing somewhere where it has room to expand. This is, in the end, probably more kicking other production off the beach, especially because the only reason it's there is the sand that there's not much left of.
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Warmachine posted:Thinking about my CoI plans since my ADHD brain isn't letting me work right now, but: I restarted a few times and before my current game I never got beyond red science. Integrating every new technology in my factory reduced progression nearly to a halt. Optimizing output by juggling a smaller workforce around was just to much boring busy work. Putting hours into building blocks with level 1 technology also didn't help. First thing that helped me to get beyond red science were easier settings.  Yes, basically everything. But you might also notice the storage for uranium rods! Last tech tier coming up! And it still took a few dozen hours. Flattening a mountain because I need 8 farms instead of 4 is fun, but I can do that later. If I don't uninstall after the first rocket. Following these rules was really hard but I knew I had no chance finishing this game without them: -Stop playing with the excavators too much -Not calculating how many of this building I need for....well, anything in the future -Not defining distances of buildings/belts for a neat look -Just placing things. Using the awesome auto connect for belts and pipes, taking advantage of the 4 height levels -Stop playing with the excavators too much Oh boy was my brain screaming at me when it noticed I just placed my first building without thinking about its position and connections. With lots of weed I managed to push through and now I just hear a slight whimper sometimes, especially when zooming out. Well, here's my result, this is the best I could do so far with my brain and uhhh apparently >300 hours must've left it running accidentally in the background for a week or something Enjoy. Copper Plates  Iron Ore, Coal, Sand, Gold  Everything else (2 more farms above)   Oh hey it's that old screensaver  No idea what's going on here anymore, but there's enough food so who cares    Beware of the Armageddon map, it's the wrong way around in the preview! I didn't realize before I got used to my current camera orientation and now I have to live with the mining numbers being upside down   
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If I never really got into Factorio but I love Anno 1800 but wish it had a little more (or a lot more, really) logistics of getting the coal from the coal mine to the blast furnace and the pig iron from the blast furnace to the steel mill or whatever, is this a game I might like?
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:If I never really got into Factorio but I love Anno 1800 but wish it had a little more (or a lot more, really) logistics of getting the coal from the coal mine to the blast furnace and the pig iron from the blast furnace to the steel mill or whatever, is this a game I might like? Yeah this game is basically that, plus you reshape your island by leveling the mountains, strip-mining fuckoff-huge pits, and dumping your trash and tailings into the ocean to make new buildable land.
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Just know that the whole "city building" aspect of this game is nothing like Anno or really a city builder at all. You have housing blocks that you need to pipe resources into to keep them happy so you have people to work your factories and that's it.
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I have always wanted to play StripMine Simulator 3 and Tailings Manager 4 so this sounds perfect…..are there any trains by chance 
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I have always wanted to play StripMine Simulator 3 and Tailings Manager 4 so this sounds perfect…..are there any trains by chance Sadly, no trains (yet.. ???) 
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:If I never really got into Factorio but I love Anno 1800 but wish it had a little more (or a lot more, really) logistics of getting the coal from the coal mine to the blast furnace and the pig iron from the blast furnace to the steel mill or whatever, is this a game I might like? openttd? or: factorio,
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I got the point where I need to make server racks and it seems really slow and tedious. Is there a way to make it better?
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Make more Microchips e: serious answer TeraFLOPS are the final brake on your endgame expansion: everything cool or really fast requires thinking machines to help so in an era where worker strength and manufacturing throughout aren’t really restraints anymore you get this one LonsomeSon fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 12, 2024 |
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RabbitWizard posted:In general this game is the worst for ADHD. Now that's a spaghetti base.. I love it. And what a cute little tiny town you have! The Locator fucked around with this message at 03:12 on May 13, 2024 |
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Copper plates revision um... 3 I think? 144 plates per side, half is currently paused. Has on-site acid plant and fuel station for the mining trucks which is why that diesel line is running through here.  Been taking a break from CoI and playing heavily modded MW5, but I will definitely be back to continue turning Armageddon into a big flat space covered by my creations.
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I've hit the long lull of a postnuclear society that doesn't really care about growth. There are several thousand years for me to figure out reprocessing as long as I build a new depleted uranium bin every couple decades and manage how much of my pitiful microchip production goes into research vs. maintenance, just sitting there and taking the psychic damage of imagining a postwar society along those lines. It did allow me to compensate for 800 years of "not enough copper" in the bluntest way possible, though. 
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I finally hit purple science and I feel like from here I can launch a rocket if I stick to it. Had a near-death when I didn't realize I was out of Uranium ore and my two reactors spun down, leaving me with just a handful of diesel generators to keep me alive until I could get another ship in. Thank God I overbuild storage, and had tons of water/fuel/hydrogen/fuel gas stored up to ride out the blackout. I really need to upgrade that to a bigger cargo ship/mine... Just hit a stretch of needing to spin up new servers to get more robotic assemblers up and running. With 10 greenhouses I'm producing more than enough of every crop to not worry about food so population is my limiting factor right now. Need more people to run more assemblers, and I haven't even started spinning up the Nuclear II workflow yet.
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…how many nukes are you running that you’re consuming more than two container holds of uranium ore per round trip?!?!
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I have one 4-hold cargo ship ruining to a level 1 uranium mine, and am running 2 reactor 1's at 3x and 2x. I was surprised as well when I saw the storage was empty. I probably was running the mine too lean and forgot to put it on a normal output when I started really using the reactor. Now that I think about it I'm almost full up on my first waste storage. I really want to get mox fuel up and running before I need to build another dump.
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Get to the last tech level . I don’t think it generates any waste. Minimal
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euphronius posted:Get to the last tech level . I don’t think it generates any waste. Minimal It generates some, but the waste decays on its own into recycleables over 100 years. I think you need two storages to process the waste from one reactor and never need to think about it again. The real benefits of the FBR are: 0) blanket fuel exists and pretty much solves your fuel problems forever 1) you can make blanket fuel from Spent Fuel/Spent MOX you have laying around from your tier 1 and tier 2 nuclear tech 2) you can make blanket fuel from depleted uranium, so I hope you've been storing/dumping it in a convenient location. My last save can run for about 1,000 years on DU alone. 3) if by some miracle you exhaust your DU stores before you lose interest in the save, you can make blanket fuel directly from yellow cake, which is the cheapest of all the nuclear fuels to make in terms of external inputs. An FBR, properly piped and prioritized, puts you into an almost post-scarcity energy situation.
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That’s why today we have FBRs everywhere and don’t use coal power plants anymore
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I just got nuclear 2 up and running with a mox setup so my need for uranium ore was significantly reduced. I'm just slow grinding servers until I can get enough to run more than one Research Lab V so I can beeline to a rocket. My original coal mine is almost gone but I haven't even touched the second one yet.
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euphronius posted:That’s why today we have FBRs everywhere and don’t use coal power plants anymore Don't get me started on the state of nuclear energy in the United States and the west in general. President Xi please build us reactors. Fhqwhgads posted:I just got nuclear 2 up and running with a mox setup so my need for uranium ore was significantly reduced. I'm just slow grinding servers until I can get enough to run more than one Research Lab V so I can beeline to a rocket. My original coal mine is almost gone but I haven't even touched the second one yet. The problem with MOX is that it's a quick burst from your Spent Fuel, followed by a slow trickle once you finish your Spent Fuel off and have to create MOX at the rate the reactor makes Spent. It also, in the COI tech tree, feels like a checkbox tech as FBR is right around the corner and it's all upside if you rush FBR tech as soon as you finish making the 20 Spent MOX you need to unlock it. I'd actually like it if they spread Nuclear out in the tech tree a bit more. I understand that power is meant to be one of the biggest coal sinks for most of the game, but there just isn't really enough time for the three-tier nuclear tech to 'rest' in the current form of "it's all endgame tech."
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Warmachine posted:I'd actually like it if they spread Nuclear out in the tech tree a bit more. I understand that power is meant to be one of the biggest coal sinks for most of the game, but there just isn't really enough time for the three-tier nuclear tech to 'rest' in the current form of "it's all endgame tech." I get the feeling that the endgame tech tree is still undeveloped? In particular the rocket tech says it includes the ability to launch a test rocket, which implies to me that there might be actual functional rockets to launch later on once they've developed systems for them to be actually useful for. Even if the nuclear tech stays exactly how it is, having other endgame tech to work through will help slow it down a little. That said, I'm not sure what you could make space tech useful for, given the generally grounded nature of COI's technology. Maybe you could launch satellites for more ship exploration or something.
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