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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
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🐦 67 16.58%
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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Ardennes posted:

Arguably, it isn't really just an issue with capitalism but imperialism reaching its peak

:goofy:

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Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

lmfao

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
If imperialism and capitalism are the same thing, would liberalism evolve in the same way if the Soviet Union had a technological and economic advantage in the 1970s? I would argue they wouldn't.

Imperialism is rooted in capitalism, but imperialism can also guide capitalism, they are neither the same thing nor is it a one-way relationship. The heights of imperialism can guide the direction capitalism goes.

Neoliberalism isn't necessarily an automatic outgrowth of capitalism, but a situational interaction with capitalism and imperialism at a specific point of time.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 11:16 on May 6, 2024

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

what's imperialism

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Zodium posted:

what's imperialism

A hegemonic structure of economic, political, and social dominion based in the West that is (or was) rooted in their material advantage over the rest of the world. It is possible to imagine a different form of imperialism, but this is the one that is in own world and has been for the last 2 centuries at least.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

name five characteristics of that structure

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Zodium posted:

name five characteristics of that structure

Even if you wanted to use a solely Leninist definition, which I don't necessarily, the issue in this case isn't just about economic dominance or control of capital as a whole, but that inflection point when there is no reason for not only the capitalists to truly fear, but the single hegemonic entity that is the United States.

Arguably, Lenin didn't live to see the world of the 1970s and if he did he would see clearly that imperialism had marshalled it's strength in a single entity.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 11:46 on May 6, 2024

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Yes. That being russia

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
https://twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1786720505166237722

Different info/thoughts related to the Russo-Ukrainian War | #RussiaDecolonized founder | author at
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@slovo2023
founder | #NAFO

(The video shows Uzbek people celebrating the defeat of the Nazis)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/aptsiauri_ana/status/1786665719570092066

quote:

Human rights advocate from Georgia/საქართველო 🇬🇪
20% of my country is occupied by Russia.
Слава Україні 🇺🇦

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Interesting.

-posted from a US occupied unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

VoicesCanBe posted:

[url]https:// twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1786720505166237722[/url]

Different info/thoughts related to the Russo-Ukrainian War | #RussiaDecolonized founder | author at
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@slovo2023
founder | #NAFO

(The video shows Uzbek people celebrating the defeat of the Nazis)

the replies are not kind to this guy at least. also i doubt there's any nazi that would be caught dead singing loving katyusha lmao

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


I noticed some sort of brewing edit war on the Ukranian SSR wiki page from some pro-Ukraine guy who wants it and all other SSR pages renamed Soviet X in the same way you say French Algeria or Spanish Sahara lol

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Journalism may indeed be the first draft of history but that old chestnut can be misleading. Where it suggests a set-in-stone version of events, that first draft is really an unfolding detective story, revised and rewritten as we dig out better answers to the eternal questions of who, what, when, where, and how.

Two of my colleagues at RealClearInvestigations – Aaron Maté and Paul Sperry – recently recast one of the biggest stories of our time: America’s long, strange, and destructive entanglement with Ukraine.

As with all great investigative journalism, Maté and Sperry draw on a wide range of documents and insider accounts to reveal facts the powers-that-be have tried to conceal. While President Biden and many other leaders from both parties cast Ukraine as a bastion of democracy and a beacon of freedom, Maté and Sperry reveal how a decade of anti-democratic interference by Biden and other U.S. officials has led that country to the brink of destruction while corrupting America’s domestic politics.

Their reporting shows that Ukraine is not an independent democracy but a client state of America which has pushed Ukraine into ever-deepening conflict with Russia. It does not excuse Vladimir Putin’s illegal and murderous invasion of Ukraine in 2022, but it shows the massive escalation in a decade-long proxy war the two powers have been conducting on another nation’s soil.

Although this conflict stretches back decades and even centuries, Maté’s April 30 article starts in 2013. That’s when an uprising known as the Maidan movement was percolating in opposition to Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt president, Viktor Yanukovych, who had delayed signing a trade pact with the European Union because he did not want to alienate Russia.

The Maidan movement was soon co-opted by ultra-nationalist groups, some of whose members “openly sported Nazi insignia.” But many American officials, including then-Vice President Biden, saw it as an opportunity to pull Ukraine from the influence of Russia and to undermine Putin.

High-ranking U.S. officials – including senior State Department official Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt – actively advised the movement, which staged a coup in 2014 by storming the Ukrainian parliament. Those same American officials were also involved in naming the new government.

Putin immediately moved to counter growing American influence on his border. Just days after the coup, Russia invaded and soon annexed Crimea. Russophile Ukrainians in the eastern Donbas region followed suit. While Putin publicly told the Donbas forces to seek a diplomatic solution to their claims, American officials, including then-CIA Director John Brennan pushed Ukraine’s new government to armed conflict. As Maté wrote, Ukraine then “descended into a full-scale civil war. Thousands were killed and millions displaced in the ensuing conflict.”

As Putin issued threats that eventually turned into war, the U.S. tightened its grip on Ukraine. U.S. officials, including Biden, vetted appointments and dismissals in Kyiv, shaping, Maté reports, “the personnel and policies of subsequent Ukrainian governments, all while expanding its military and intelligence presence in Ukraine via the CIA and NATO.”

Sperry’s April 17 article changes our understanding of one of the most famous and consequential examples of U.S. meddling – Biden’s December 2015 threat to withhold $1 billion in aid if Ukraine did not fire its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. It has long been known that Shokin had launched multiple investigations into Burisma Holdings, the corruption-riddled energy giant that was paying Biden’s son Hunter millions of dollars. After Shokin was fired, those probes went away.

After this quid pro quo came to light, the Obama administration said that Biden was just carrying out the policy wishes of our government and its European allies. Sperry’s reporting, however, indicates that the U.S. had no such concerns about Shokin in the months before Biden’s threat: “An Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizing the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee on Ukraine stated, ‘Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its [anti-corruption] reform agenda to justify a third [loan] guarantee.’”

Sperry also reports that one Biden advisor at the time was especially surprised by his boss’s action – Eric Ciaramella. On Jan. 21, 2016, Ambassador Pyatt emailed Ciaramella and other White House aides an article from the Ukrainian press – “U.S. loan guarantee conditional on Shokin’s dismissal.”

“Yikes,” Ciaramella responded. “I don’t recall this [the firing] coming up in our meeting with them,” he said, referring to an earlier White House meeting he hosted with top Ukrainian prosecutors.

The backstory Sperry brought to light would take on new significance three years later, when Ciaramella sparked Donald Trump’s first impeachment by complaining that the president had allegedly tried to condition Ukraine aid on an announcement that it was looking into Biden family corruption in that country – as well as Ukraine’s well documented efforts to interfere in the 2016 election in support of Hillary Clinton.

Sperry’s reporting suggests that the Trump impeachment was part of an effort to cover up Biden’s attempt to shield his family from the law. The strategy might have worked but for a strange stroke of fate, with the surfacing of a laptop Hunter Biden abandoned at a Delaware repair shop that detailed his family’s high-level influence peddling.

As Ukraine – a mid-sized country halfway around the world – played a key role in our 2016 and 2020 elections, so it promises to do the same in 2024. At first glance, its prominence seems amazing. Maté and Sperry, in far greater detail than I have summarized here, help us understand why.

Their dispatches are far from the last word. Future reporting will find still undiscovered facts, providing, one hopes, a clear sense of the past as it becomes history. Their work is also achingly relevant to the president as we witness the carnage in Ukraine. As Maté writes, “In claiming to defend Ukraine from Russian influence, Ukraine was subsumed by American influence” at incalculable cost.

Their reporting also reveals the tangled complexity of human affairs requires a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance. America’s support for Ukraine may be a necessary defense against Putin’s aggression. But it is also a recurrence of our long and now largely disavowed history of promoting regime change for seemingly noble reasons in far-flung corners of the world such as Guatemala, Iran, South Vietnam, Chile, and other places. It is not the role of journalists to resolve this tension, but, as Maté and Sperry have, to detail it without fear or favor, so that others might.

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Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1786720505166237722

Different info/thoughts related to the Russo-Ukrainian War | #RussiaDecolonized founder | author at
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@slovo2023
founder | #NAFO

(The video shows Uzbek people celebrating the defeat of the Nazis)

Don't sign your posts Volodymir

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NNzE7rwSI

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Zodium posted:

what's imperialism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8QYxmpuyxg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9gLkXe0xw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat1Hc9SNwE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lhduy0Em74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv6f3lplUf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8JOEmtlgaE

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/2812

The Russian Army has taken Kyslivka on the Kupyansk front.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

I'm always wowed by the technical proficiency of those late Victorian and Edwardian illustrators. All cross-hatching all the way.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Минобороны России posted:

On behalf of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in order to increase the readiness of non-strategic nuclear forces to perform combat missions, the General Staff has begun preparations for conducting exercises in the near future with missile formations of the Southern Military District involving aviation, as well as naval forces.

During the exercise, a set of measures will be carried out to practice the issues of preparation and use of non-strategic nuclear weapons.

The exercise is aimed at maintaining the readiness of personnel and equipment of units of combat use of non-strategic nuclear weapons to respond and to unconditionally ensure the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Russian state in response to provocative statements and threats by certain Western officials against the Russian Federation.

🔹 Russian Ministry of Defense
(from t.me/mod_russia/38308, via tgsa)

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Cool, great job NATO. Tactical nuclear weapons being loaded on alert aircraft for the first time since 1991 or whatever.

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

https://youtu.be/e7PvoI6gvQs?si=A0Fqt17-Ot95xPGk

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


Oh gently caress

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Whoever taught liberals the word colonialism made a grave error in judgement

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

Cool, great job NATO. Tactical nuclear weapons being loaded on alert aircraft for the first time since 1991 or whatever.

Lol we're gonna loving die

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/thedailybeast/status/1787467032331493796

:bernin:

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Yikes

France has been openly floating NATO troops in Ikraine for a few months now. Recently, Poland and the Baltics have joined in, as has Ukraine themselves.

So this might be a response to that.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



It's really dumb that the west is telegraphing a red line that amounts to "ukraine loses"

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Don't win too hard or else we will send our troops in!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Cao Ni Ma posted:

It's really dumb that the west is telegraphing a red line that amounts to "ukraine loses"

it’s not even Ukraine loses lol. it’s you can’t cheat again and use Belarus OR if you go beyond Ukraine’s borders once you conquer them

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Pretty sure the west's intent is to cause as much damage as possible to the Russian military and to the people and infrastructure of Ukraine so that it's a massive financial burden on Russia once they win.

Because the west is definitely not giving Ukraine what it would need to win, but it's definitely doing what it can to keep Ukraine fighting.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
the west does not have the stocks of arms ukraine needs "to win" without stripping it own military units to the bone ala what canada's been doing to FF

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
Virtually every official statement made from the West these past two years is calibrated to encourage Russia to escalate. It is incredibly obvious that NATO wants this war to continue perpetually.

Russia generally hasn't taken the bait (with the major exception of launching the invasion to begin with, of course), but there comes a certain point where the cost of not escalating is too much to accept. I uh hope we don't reach that point.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


Uh

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
thanks, macron

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

is that the 20% of georgia that clearly doesn't want to be a part of georgia?

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Cao Ni Ma posted:

It's really dumb that the west is telegraphing a red line that amounts to "ukraine loses"

Because all NATO operations have to be sold to the public as defensive, this seems to be teeing up sending French troops to Odessa or whatever as Russia dramatically escalating and crossing a red line. It's like part hubris, part legalism/asscovering/propaganda, where the Rules Based International Order can start a world war "defensively", I guess?

I'm at a loss for the whole rationale, but we've been seeing more and more statements like it.

For instance, not entering from Belarus is hypocritical in the extreme when NATO military aid pours across the Polish and Romanian borders. Who is NATO to determine who is party to the conflict or not?

CN CREW-VESSEL has issued a correction as of 15:02 on May 6, 2024

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Cerebral Bore posted:

is that the 20% of georgia that clearly doesn't want to be a part of georgia?

Uh actually that's a plot from Putin, please ignore that those separate states have existed for as long as Georgia has been independent

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

VoicesCanBe posted:

Uh actually that's a plot from Putin, please ignore that those separate states have existed for as long as Georgia has been independent

shut up, 1991 borders only count if i say so

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