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Elviscat posted:Oh yeah, I got a call yesterday, from the dealership I had so warranty repairs on my Bolt, telling me I need to get the oil changed. Free oil changes for Tesla owners! * Rich Rebuilds shows up with their diesel swapped Tesla. And if it was me, I wouldn't even be mad.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Also I challenge anyone making a fuel/piss/snack break in an ICE vehicle to start a timer on their phone when they put the vehicle in park and see if it really is under 300 seconds. You'd be surprised. I use USAA safe pilot which tracks my driving and times, and I went to a gas station, got 7 gallons of gas, checked oil, went inside and bought oil (first time in years needing to do this) and a drink, then added oil and cleaned up. 6 minute total stop. Most would be far less for me.
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MrYenko posted:Nobody reds like Mazda though. It’s a shame about literally everything they make that isn’t the MX5 though. CX-5/50 is nice for what it is 3 Hatch is nice too, though it's no 11th gen Civic
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Grabber Blue Excuse me, how dare you:
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So 10,000 more layoffs this weekend at tesla
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Celexi posted:So 10,000 more layoffs this weekend at tesla Move fast and break things, including your own company.
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Celexi posted:So 10,000 more layoffs this weekend at tesla  poo poo, how much trouble are they in?? I'm seeing a lot of the new model 3s around and they're actually pretty good looking imo.
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Trillhouse posted:Looks like another round of layoffs just happened: Beached Whale posted:more blood for the blood gods is elon dismantling tesla mad that they were opening the sc network while he was busy with his nazi website or what lmao
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Celexi posted:is elon dismantling tesla mad that they were opening the sc network while he was busy with his nazi website or what lmao apparently the name of the game here is going after "disloyalty" he apparently got super pissed at the SC head and fired her + her entire division out of spite after she pushed back against his initial plan of cuts and I can't imagine that that made a workforce that's already probably giving him the side eye a bunch too happy I'm sure a lot of ppl in the company weren't thrilled about the stupid truck either
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If he's firing people against the cuts, I wonder if that's directly why he fired the people in charge of HR.
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Mass layoffs are just a really direct way to fix your cost structure. Most of his wealth is in Tesla shares. The most direct thing he can do to boost his wealth is to can people and juice the share price.
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Vegetable posted:Mass layoffs are just a really direct way to fix your cost structure. Most of his wealth is in Tesla shares. The most direct thing he can do to boost his wealth is to can people and juice the share price. This is probably Elon's path to getting the $54bn allowance he feels he deserves.
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I think Elon just watched the 5th element recently and strongly associated with Jean Baptiste Emmanuel ZORG a bit too much He’s trying to fire a million employees https://youtu.be/r0mO6UY6uTg?si=jAg1OTIsccUmnJtO
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If tesla flames out that seems potentially devastating for EV adoption in north america especially with the other domestics like Ford pulling back.
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nah, evs will be fine. ev1 and its siblings were doing fine at the time with limited rollout before gm executed the program, and now there isn't a single company that can kill them anymore.
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That's the thing. They're not really in any financial trouble at all. They still posted a profit of over $1bn last quarter. This is entirely Elon either trying to just slaughter the cow and walk away or hold the company hostage until he gets stock package that would let him retake sole control over the company.
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I have 8 shares of Teslakajigger and I just voted to not give him poo poo
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Celexi posted:is elon dismantling tesla mad that they were opening the sc network while he was busy with his nazi website or what lmao 10 million employees laid off? drat. InsideEVs has an article saying that they laid off a ton of the SC maintenance staff, so maybe EA will finally have some peer-level competition. Also: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1786586974108909815?t=ex4JMiHQXeWsPFPMHRnQ1w&s=19 Why the gently caress would you do this? He follows up by saying that they have to "pay their bills somehow" Indiana_Krom posted:Free oil changes for Tesla owners! Worth it for the joke, for sure. It's not like you're going to get more than one ICE swapped Tesla.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:That's the thing. They're not really in any financial trouble at all. They still posted a profit of over $1bn last quarter. This is pretty much like what happened just after the chaos of the Model 3 launch (or somewhere around that point....?) - huge layoffs that turned out to be completely unnecessary and in the end most staff got hired back because they were rather required. The other well known brand that recently had this similar slash and burn (Twitter) had it's headcount culled to 1500, it seem back up to 3300 so..... really just unneeded chaos and uncertainty.
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binge crotching posted:A second stop is not a bad idea, but I feel like if I'm doing it every week I'm going to want to just get it over with asap. So, if you're driving a 450-500 mile round trip commute I would assume you're doing up to 250 miles each way, with time to charge fully in between trips during the day while you're at work. Basically, if you do the trips at a slightly more sensible speed, and if you have charging at work, then you would be fine in an EV with this kind of range? You could probably also get away with 80mph or maybe even more but you would probably end each leg at like 15% battery so you'd better have a charger of some sort either at or near your work. edit: and I'm not even taking into account the fact there's probably a supercharger or other fast charger somewhere along your drive route (I assume?) so you will most likely be fine. A 5 to 10 minute stop at a supercharger will get you a shitload of range even if it's a 150kW one. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 12:38 on May 6, 2024 |
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This is just a casual observation, rather than some hot take, but I grew up surrounded by Big 3 auto plants. Every other year it was Ford laying off tens of thousands, then it was GM, then this plant would close, then they'd shut down another line and more layoffs. The news never really reported on them reopening lines or increasing production or recalling all the layed off workers, but they did. These were all union shops, mind. So if you get layed off, you have recall rights and have to be offered a job back before the company can hire more people. I think a lot of people still think of Tesla as a tech company, where layoffs are a new phenomenon, rather than a manufacturer, where that kind of thing is just business as usual. Add to that, Tesla isn't a union shop, and that's what happens in non-union factories. They will literally fire a whole crew just so they can hire a new one and pay them less. All that being said, I'm not claiming what's happening at Tesla right now isn't just the whims of a madman, but if you remove Musk from the equation, it just looks like the usual big layoffs in manufacturing that have been going on and off for decades.
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Finger Prince posted:This is just a casual observation, rather than some hot take, but I grew up surrounded by Big 3 auto plants. Every other year it was Ford laying off tens of thousands, then it was GM, then this plant would close, then they'd shut down another line and more layoffs. The news never really reported on them reopening lines or increasing production or recalling all the layed off workers, but they did. These were all union shops, mind. So if you get layed off, you have recall rights and have to be offered a job back before the company can hire more people. I think a lot of people still think of Tesla as a tech company, where layoffs are a new phenomenon, rather than a manufacturer, where that kind of thing is just business as usual. Add to that, Tesla isn't a union shop, and that's what happens in non-union factories. They will literally fire a whole crew just so they can hire a new one and pay them less. All that being said, I'm not claiming what's happening at Tesla right now isn't just the whims of a madman, but if you remove Musk from the equation, it just looks like the usual big layoffs in manufacturing that have been going on and off for decades. I could understand the layoffs being part of a "cuts made by a butcher, not a surgeon" strategy but if that really is the case then it's a major surrender on Tesla's part. Even though the current economy doesn't heavily favor car buying, it's still a critical point in the space of EVs. Each year Tesla's competition is growing and if they fall from "undisputed leader in the EV market" (even if only in NA) to "just another EV manufacturer" then they will crumble. There's too many ticking time bombs for the company: FSD doesn't work as advertised and probably will never work, yet they've been calling it realized revenue. There's potential for a massive lawsuit there. Tesla's lost leadership in the fundamentals. They've been slow to adopt high voltage battery pack designs and the one vehicle that does have it is a premature nightmare. They're still competitive, but will only be so for another 2-3 years or so while more modern architectures roll out. Even the new Model 3 is still based on a platform from the 2010s, and everything that's not the cybertruck is even older. Tesla's development of anything cheaper than the Model 3 has apparently been stalled while competitors like Kia/Hyundai/A billion companies in China are moving forward. Tesla's alternative business ventures - general purpose robotics, robotaxis, etc. are all years away at best even before the layoffs. Laying off or furloughing manufacturing staff to cope with the economy would be one thing, but cutting entire teams will make all of these problems worse.
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Tesla was at about 50% of the EVs sold in the US in 2023. Frankly that's a higher percentage than I expected. Tesla falling into also ran status as the other big manufactures scale up their electric production feels like a foregone conclusion.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:I could understand the layoffs being part of a "cuts made by a butcher, not a surgeon" strategy but if that really is the case then it's a major surrender on Tesla's part. Even though the current economy doesn't heavily favor car buying, it's still a critical point in the space of EVs. Each year Tesla's competition is growing and if they fall from "undisputed leader in the EV market" (even if only in NA) to "just another EV manufacturer" then they will crumble. I don't disagree with your other points but they cover their bases pretty well here and clearly consulted with lawyers extensively. They don't sell you Full Self Driving, you get Full Self Driving capability, whatever that even means. Even the recent open beta was specifically labeled Full Self Driving (Supervised). There are numerous warnings in the owners manual and every single time you engage AP or FSD. Regardless of Elon's tweets and their insane mocked up FSD demo, I don't think the legal concerns are serious here otherwise they would've manifested already as it's been promises all the way since 2016. They're just selling software that can technically improve and people somehow keep giving them money for it. You don't carry that as a liability on your balance sheet, it's not a deposit or something. As an aside I took the free month and gave it a shot, it was a mixed bag. They have accomplished quite a bit, I was surprised at how many difficult situations it could navigate but on the other hand it also fails to successfully merge onto a freeway 10/10 times. It's this bizarre mixture of wonder and horror as you experience it. I also never found it's driving profile consistent which was frustrating. Humans tend to develop driving as a skill (unless you live in Tennessee) and you can expect some sort of routine. With the software driving it would sometimes be too far left, sometimes right, sometimes it could navigate a left hand turn at a light and other times it would just sit there doing nothing despite having perfect visibility and no oncoming. The lack of redundancy seems totally nuts and it doesn't function in light rain. Anyways I really don't want cars driving me around in the city. City driving is too unpredictable and there are so many variables I legitimately don't know how you account for it properly in software. We developed driving specifically for our brains and it seems odd to force computers to do this thing that we already do pretty well when they aren't very well suited to the task. I wish Tesla would just keep developing the AP stack for highways and basically perfect it. But I guess that doesn't goose your stock valuation enough. The Gunslinger fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 6, 2024 |
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Yeah with flashy tech people tend to forget that impressive is different than useful. It truly is impressive what it can do, but without that predictability you mentioned, it’s not useful. It can’t be relied upon, it’s a toy, and toys shouldn’t be 5000lb hunks of metal traveling at speed. Focusing on highway cruising and traffic jam automation would be boring but useful.
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Finger Prince posted:
To me, a difference is that they're tossing out the new product team (including the PM behind the Model Y and Model 3?), HR, and policy/compliance experts. Those aren't the people you'd want to casually fire due to the loss of institutional knowledge. It looks like they're intentionally losing people who might be the experts behind existing business success, at a time when they can't afford to stagnate. Surely the competition will scoop them right up? None of this sounds like it's for-cause or chaff being cut.
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Wayne Knight posted:Focusing on highway cruising and traffic jam automation would be boring but useful. But making good EVs with really good highway automation doesn't justify a $1T valuation or a $50b executive compensation package.
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The Gunslinger posted:Full Self Driving (Supervised) This is the kind of steaming marketing lingo that is just disastrous for drivers. "Full Self Driving" literally means "it can drive itself," which is a lie, especially alongside a CEO talking about how it's safer than human driving, which is also a lie. Adding the qualifier (Supervised) is going to help many, but not all, customers recognize that the words preceding it are a lie.
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Muskchat but relevant: don't underestimate elons ability and tendency to force the company to do something stupid or illegal against better internal judgement. This is one reason why executives resign from his companies.
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Smart people at $EMPLOYER are suggesting that "the entire supercharger team" was overly dramatic. They still have the team to manufacture V4 superchargers, the entire team to maintain them, and even the team that gets them installed. If only the company had a PR department that could clarify this poo poo, instead of relying on reading the tea leaves in jerkwad's shitpost stream on a helldump social media site.
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cruft posted:Smart people at $EMPLOYER are suggesting that "the entire supercharger team" was overly dramatic. They still have the team to manufacture V4 superchargers, the entire team to maintain them, and even the team that gets them installed.
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Elviscat posted:I'll give you a tickle charge Delayed due to days of rain. Couldn't back drop my beloved new baby with all that grey. 
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Delayed due to days of rain. Couldn't back drop my beloved new baby with all that grey. 
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ilkhan posted:Internet goes crazy overanalyzing something Musk said in the worst possible light? First time for everything. you really have the best avatar
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cruft posted:If only the company had a PR department that could clarify this poo poo, instead of relying on reading the tea leaves in jerkwad's shitpost stream on a helldump social media site. This is a beautiful sentence.
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