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I mean I think a 30-30 split of agree disagree for diehard MAGA folks is actually a pretty damning indictment, especially when you look at total Repubs and what it looks like on the Democratic side. She's cooked unless the country has collective amnesia and this is never brought up by her political opponents.
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Madkal posted:Thanks to Noem I now have family members who think it is natural for farmers to kill dogs on a frequent basis. It's not, in no universe is shooting your dog (on someone else's property no less) a normal response to the situation Noem described. If your dog gets out and kills some of your neighbors chickens you pay for the chickens, apologize, and say you won't let that poo poo happen again because everyone involved understands that it's your fault this happened because as the dogs owner you were responsible for training and keeping an eye on this animal and you failed to do that. Then you get off your rear end and either actually train the dog (which, as Noem described in the book, she had failed to do thinking it would just "pick up training from the other dogs") so it'll know how to behave or failing that you take it to a shelter or re-home it. The only time you should be shooting a dog is if it's showing signs of advanced rabies and you're too afraid to get near it to take it to the vet. This story absolutely should be a career killer because it's her loudly announcing "I'm irresponsible and completely ignorant about things I claim to be an expert on!" and the fact she felt comfortable public sharing it shows she lacks any sort of self-awareness.
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Some polling shifts among minority voters from that TIPP poll as well as from a Suffolk poll done for USAT. TIPP: quote:Trump has also made significant inroads among key traditional Democratic constituencies. Suffolk is rosier for Biden's chances, and sees them improving among these groups: quote:Since the beginning of the year, Biden has gained ground among some key voters while Trump has lost it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/06/biden-trump-tie-hispanic-black-younger-voters/73504174007/
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Professor Beetus posted:I mean I think a 30-30 split of agree disagree for diehard MAGA folks is actually a pretty damning indictment, especially when you look at total Repubs and what it looks like on the Democratic side. She's cooked unless the country has collective amnesia and this is never brought up by her political opponents. Trumps floor is always around 30% but it always rebounds. She can absolutely come back from this if the right wing sphere wants her to.
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May 6, 2024 19:56
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This year's Pulitzer Prizes are about to be announced momentarily.
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Kristi Noem and Drake seem to be in a race to figure out who can have the biggest Meltdown May
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Amusingly, Columbia banning their own student press from the event: https://twitter.com/IndyScholtens/status/1787543712123559975
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Kalli posted:Amusingly, Columbia banning their own student press from the event: Well duh the best way to avoid bad press is obviously to ban your own press from the event.
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The Pulitzer committee "acknowledged" student journos on its home page.quote:As we gather to consider the nation’s finest and most courageous journalism, the Pulitzer Prize Board would like to recognize the tireless efforts of student journalists across our nation’s college campuses, who are covering protests and unrest in the face of great personal and academic risk. We would also like to acknowledge the extraordinary real-time reporting of student journalists at Columbia University, where the Pulitzer Prizes are housed, as the New York Police Department was called onto campus on Tuesday night. In the spirit of press freedom, these students worked to document a major national news event under difficult and dangerous circumstances and at risk of arrest.
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May 6, 2024 20:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Trumps floor is always around 30% but it always rebounds. She can absolutely come back from this if the right wing sphere wants her to. The key word there is Trump, I am doubtful she will inherit his resiliency. Also we're not talking about 30% of electorate or likely voters, we're talking 30% of that floor.
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May 6, 2024 20:30
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Willa Rogers posted:Some polling shifts among minority voters from that TIPP poll as well as from a Suffolk poll done for USAT. Sorry, but is the TIPP poll comparing actual 2020 election results to 2024 poll numbers? That doesn't make a whole ton of sense. An apples-to-apples comparison would involve comparing their 2024 poll numbers to their 2020 poll numbers. As for Suffolk, they see him improving because they're comparing April 2024 poll numbers to Jan 2024 poll numbers.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Because she, and a lot of these other Chuds are literally insane and don't understand that no, regular people don't summarily execute their dogs I earnestly think it's something like this. The right is primed to consume lies. She could have said anything. She could have said it never happened. She could have said the dog was old and sick. Witnesses would have contradicted her but she's the one with the platform. You just say "fake news" a few times and you're set. She wanted to tell people.
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I'll say this: you would think that indiscrimate dog murder would be the one thing that would be considered beyond the pale by everyone on the political spectrum (save PETA), but it wouldn't surprise me if we get a summer of the most die-hard MAGAs fragging their own beloved family pets in their latest attempt to own the libs.
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Main Paineframe posted:Sorry, but is the TIPP poll comparing actual 2020 election results to 2024 poll numbers? That doesn't make a whole ton of sense. An apples-to-apples comparison would involve comparing their 2024 poll numbers to their 2020 poll numbers. Good point! I looked up 2020 from the same pollster. Their 2020 polling right before the election showed Biden with a "black/hispanic" lead of 68 percent to 21 percent for Trump.  But since Black voters weren't separated from Hispanic voters in that survey it's hard to tell the impact among each group. I think other polling has shown a drop in Biden's support among Blacks & Hispanics this year compared to four years ago, though, if you need me to find them.
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May 6, 2024 21:08
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The cruelty is the point. They can't distinguish between what is a necessary action that causes harm from something pointlessly cruel and wasteful because they're so fixated on the infliction of suffering.
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May 6, 2024 21:09
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Trumps floor is always around 30% but it always rebounds. She can absolutely come back from this if the right wing sphere wants her to. Why would they want her too? I'm not exactly seeing what she brings to the table.
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There are some weird results about issues importance/trust from that ABC/Ipsos poll released yesterday, especially the one about "Protecting democracy," but I guess sentiments toward that issue are sorted by partisanship, too.
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May 6, 2024 21:21
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'll say this: you would think that indiscrimate dog murder would be the one thing that would be considered beyond the pale by everyone on the political spectrum (save PETA), but it wouldn't surprise me if we get a summer of the most die-hard MAGAs fragging their own beloved family pets in their latest attempt to own the libs. Apparently, indiscriminate dog murder is more common than we might think in America.  That 11% of people who personally knew a dog murderer is pretty close to the 15% who thought it was acceptable for Noem to murder the family dog.
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May 6, 2024 21:22
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The USAT writeup about the Suffolk polling points out the huge no. of undecideds among various demographics:quote:Who's in play? Young voters, Hispanic voters, independents and RFK backers https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/06/biden-trump-tie-hispanic-black-younger-voters/73504174007/
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Willa Rogers posted:There are some weird results about issues importance/trust from that ABC/Ipsos poll released yesterday, especially the one about "Protecting democracy," but I guess sentiments toward that issue are sorted by partisanship, too. This is grim as it implies the electorate is reactionary/conservative.
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I signed up for YouGov and they send me polls every week. I always answer them 100% randomly to get them done asap. In about 1 year I'll be able to cash out my survey points for a $100 gift card to Amazon.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I signed up for YouGov and they send me polls every week. I always answer them 100% randomly to get them done asap. In about 1 year I'll be able to cash out my survey points for a $100 gift card to Amazon. They test that you're following the questions so you can't answer them all randomly. I've been asked to respond to 2-3 polls each week, usually one during the week and the other(s) on weekends. One year for $100 is great but I think maybe you're exaggerating; I've still got a ways to go to get my $15 gc & I've answered most of them in the past two months. Did you sign up for their spyware thingies to garner extra points? Those were a hard pass for me, lol.
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Willa Rogers posted:They test that you're following the questions so you can't answer them all randomly. Oh yeah I see they occasionally say "choose option C so we know you're paying attention" so I just watch for those and rate appropriately but for the rest I just mark a random choice as fast as I can. Sometimes I day dream and stuff or put the phone down so it looks like I'm actually thinking about it if they measure that. Hard pass on the linking my Netflix account or installing spyware. lol no.
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Main Paineframe posted:Apparently, indiscriminate dog murder is more common than we might think in America. The biggest shock from those numbers are the 19% of those making 100k+ saying they know someone who's killed a healthy dog, which comes across as the rich deciding that they're bored or frustrated or just don't want a dog anymore and have them put down. I would have figured it would have been more of a low income rural attitude, the "dog done poo poo the floor get me the ol' mercygiver" type.
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Main Paineframe posted:Apparently, indiscriminate dog murder is more common than we might think in America. Lol that jump in yes as you get to 100K+ in income is special
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Boris Galerkin posted:Oh yeah I see they occasionally say "choose option C so we know you're paying attention" so I just watch for those and rate appropriately but for the rest I just mark a random choice as fast as I can. Sometimes I day dream and stuff or put the phone down so it looks like I'm actually thinking about it if they measure that. Don't you want your views represented in polling, though? What's the point of randomly choosing Trump, eg, instead of Biden if the latter is your choice? Is it to reinforce beliefs that polling lacks meaning, or is it for other reasons? (I'm fascinated by polling, as one might guess, so I'm always interested in the approaches others take.)
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C. Everett Koop posted:The biggest shock from those numbers are the 19% of those making 100k+ saying they know someone who's killed a healthy dog, which comes across as the rich deciding that they're bored or frustrated or just don't want a dog anymore and have them put down. I would have figured it would have been more of a low income rural attitude, the "dog done poo poo the floor get me the ol' mercygiver" type. If I had to guess, this is people who purposely take on the most difficult adoption cases, maybe they have enough time and money that they think they can make it work, but it turns out that they're wrong, and behavioral euthanasia is really the only means forward. The question only asks if the dog is healthy, not if it has tons of behavior problems or trauma responses. Maybe I just have self-selection bias of avoiding certain types of people, but almost everyone I know is in that income bracket, and none of them have ever euthanized an animal out of pure inconvenience, let alone 1 in 5 of them.
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Willa Rogers posted:Don't you want your views represented in polling, though? What's the point of randomly choosing Trump, eg, instead of Biden if the latter is your choice? Cause I just don't care tbh. I'm just in it for the eventual $100 gift card and actually reading the questions and answering them takes too much effort.
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Raenir Salazar posted:This is grim as it implies the electorate is reactionary/conservative. This is extremely obvious and always has been. If this weren't the case, there would be a credible left-wing movement of some kind. We're still a good 10-20 years from that, assuming we don't devolve into fascism in the interim.
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Raenir Salazar posted:This is grim as it implies the electorate is reactionary/conservative. I dunno, the fact that Neither is pulling 20%+ across every question is saying a lot. quote:A plurality (42%) of Americans feels that the statement “He is honest and trustworthy” does not apply to either Biden or Trump. This has to be an absolutely unprecedented statistic. People really do not like either of these shitheads.
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Great point. I've also noticed both candidates dropping into the low 40s/high 30s percentage-wise in some g.e. polls, when I'm pretty sure that usually as candidates are chosen as nominees they garner a greater percentage of voters committing to them.
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koolkal posted:I dunno, the fact that Neither is pulling 20%+ across every question is saying a lot. No, it's just that Republicans are liars and will say this about any Democrat (this explains the plurality of people who distrust Biden) combined with the fact that Trump is the biggest liar in American history (this explains the plurality of people who distrust Trump). I'm not saying Biden is a trustworthy person, but that 42% is mostly just the very typical fascist denial of reality.
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The fascists mostly just say "no trump is totally honest and trustworthy," I'm not sure how represented they are in the both category.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:No, it's just that Republicans are liars and will say this about any Democrat (this explains the plurality of people who distrust Biden) combined with the fact that Trump is the biggest liar in American history (this explains the plurality of people who distrust Trump). Just to clarify a bit, the 42% is not 42% of people find Biden untrustworthy and 42% find Trump untrustworthy, it's that 42% find BOTH untrustworthy. 37% find Biden more trustworthy and 21% find Trump more trustworthy if you want to know where the other 58% land.
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reignonyourparade posted:The fascists mostly just say "no trump is totally honest and trustworthy," I'm not sure how represented they are in the both category. Yeah, Republicans right now are a coalition of Trump-loving MAGAs and those who don't directly like to celebrate him but don't consider him enough of a deal breaker to vote Democrat or stay home. Which is still backing fascism in end results, but it's a difference in polling like this because one will say "Trump tells it like it is and they hate him for it" and the other will say "Oh, politicians are all crooks, but one set of crooks will preserve your freedoms and the other will sell us to China."
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Macklemore posted a video music today about Palestine and all proceeds go to Palestine, he has quite the following. The video does also include him discouraging people from voting for Biden, I don't think Biden realizes HOW MANY voters he is losing to defend a fascist government and deliver us to a fascist government because he can't figure out his middle east policy is BAD. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Celexi posted:Macklemore posted a video music today about Palestine and all proceeds go to Palestine, he has quite the following. The video does also include him discouraging people from voting for Biden, I don't think Biden realizes HOW MANY voters he is losing to defend a fascist government and deliver us to a fascist government because he can't figure out his middle east policy is BAD. How many? Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:41 on May 11, 2024 |
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Papercut posted:How many? look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Washington_(state) from 2016 and you will notice that too many young people staying home or not voting will be bad. Now, it is unlikely that will be enough to flip Washington state where he heralds from and has a huge following but Macklemore aside the negative feeling about Biden policies in swing states will be catastrophic for him.
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Celexi posted:look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Washington_(state) from 2016 and you will notice that too many young people staying home or not voting will be bad. Now, it is unlikely that will be enough to flip Washington state where he heralds from and has a huge following but Macklemore aside the negative feeling about Biden policies in swing states will be catastrophic for him. Is this more than the number of people who would vote against him for not supporting Israel?
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