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Jamal Murray had another hideous game but still isn't dead last in NP. Russell Westbrook has that title for at least one more game. Meanwhile, Anthony Edwards has jumped into first place.Coaaab posted:zogo, how are your nba title correlation stats (SRS, roster continuity, avg age, etc.) doing this nba playoffs? Celtics/Nuggets/Timberwolves were the favorites at the beginning of the playoffs. The Celtics have to be the overall favorites unless Kristaps Porzingis is injured. Dexo posted:drat Monkeu can't even spare us a post for this rereg to talk about the Warriors, just has to post about Drake smh. He could be short on $$$.
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I was thinking about that the other day because I had the thought "Anthony Edwards' WS/48 in the regular season couldn't have been good enough to look like he could be the best player on a championship team." And it turns out I was correct, but: Rudy Gobert was 6th overall with a .216. Anthony Edwards, at .130, come in 4th place on the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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Stagger_Lee posted:I was thinking about that the other day because I had the thought "Anthony Edwards' WS/48 in the regular season couldn't have been good enough to look like he could be the best player on a championship team." And it turns out I was correct, but: Rudy Gobert was 6th overall with a .216. Anthony Edwards, at .130, come in 4th place on the Minnesota Timberwolves. How winshare works Rudy (and Conley) are going to be somewhat overvalued in WS and ANT is going to be undervalued. Efficient rim runner and low TO PGs are given a ton of weight, and while I think they are useful they're probably not to the level WS thinks they are. Meanwhile volume scorers, even efficient ones like Ant, are not given as much credit. Ant should have Rudy's .212 Rudy should have Conley's .180 Conley should have ANT's .130 Winshare, while still good, is getting a bit long in the tooth imo.
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Yeah, I'm not confused about win share definition, it was occurring to me because I know it's been part of Zogo's thought process at least at some points in the past - wanting a very high-ranking player to qualify as a real contender. But I think if you average all the various all-in-one stats this year, Ant was probably the best player on the team, but the top 4 were all pretty good and none of them really stood out in production. Ant producing like the best offensive and defensive player in the league, and not just kind of looking like that in spurts, is a brand new thrilling development.
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Lockback posted:I know, but what else can you say? You're not going to say "Yeah we shoulda ejected him", that undercuts you considerably and sets up a suspension as the only recourse.Saying "Guys it was bad but not THAT bad" is the middle ground. You can absolutely say "Yeah we should have ejected him if we saw it." It's no different than the two minute report or the many times this year where immediately following a game the pool report has the head official saying "we screwed up. We missed the call, that absolutely should/shouldn't have been a foul." Once the game is over its over and theres nothing to be done. Or I should say, usually. This isn't criminal law. There isn't really "precedent" as we think of it in law. The NBA can do whatever the gently caress they want whenever.
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May 8, 2024 21:51
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Lockback posted:Meanwhile volume scorers, even efficient ones like Ant, are not given as much credit. It's surprising but his TS% this year was actually below league average (because the league average keeps going higher). But in the playoffs so far he's boosted it up to 66%. He's reminding me of Devin Booker in last years playoffs who also got very hot at the right time.
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May 8, 2024 22:07
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Zogo posted:It's surprising but his TS% this year was actually below league average (because the league average keeps going higher). But in the playoffs so far he's boosted it up to 66%. He's reminding me of Devin Booker in last years playoffs who also got very hot at the right time. Jeeze is that right? Ridiculous.
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May 8, 2024 22:08
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Zogo posted:"Sir, I have ten tickets and need six more shirts." Once again I am celebrating the lack of Scoot Henderson on a list
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May 8, 2024 22:17
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Lockback posted:How winshare works Rudy (and Conley) are going to be somewhat overvalued in WS and ANT is going to be undervalued. Efficient rim runner and low TO PGs are given a ton of weight, and while I think they are useful they're probably not to the level WS thinks they are. Meanwhile volume scorers, even efficient ones like Ant, are not given as much credit. Ok accepting the premise that Ant is undervalued by WS, is Shai (.275/48, 14.6 total)? And the other couple dozen wings above him? Because if Ant should have a ws/48 over for the numbers he put up this year so should a LOT of people.
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DeimosRising posted:Ok accepting the premise that Ant is undervalued by WS, is Shai (.275/48, 14.6 total)? And the other couple dozen wings above him? Because if Ant should have a ws/48 over for the numbers he put up this year so should a LOT of people. No, Shai's is fair. WS is zero sum within a team. If your giving 1 player more you have to take it from another player. So you need to do what I did and say who are you taking WS from. So in SGA's case I think Chet's .175 is pretty fair (maybe slightly elevated but maybe not). So he's not getting the same rim-running boost Rudy is getting. No one else on OKC looks too out of place imo. FYI, in general (real rough rule of thumb for full-time starters), .150 means all star, .200 means all-NBA, .250 means MVP-candidate. So SGA is an MVP candidate but I think Ant is above all-star.
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Papercut posted:Once again I am celebrating the lack of Scoot Henderson on a list
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Stagger_Lee posted:Yeah, I'm not confused about win share definition, it was occurring to me because I know it's been part of Zogo's thought process at least at some points in the past - wanting a very high-ranking player to qualify as a real contender. Andy Bailey did this averaging at various points throughout the season league wide. This was the most recent one. Ant is 26th, KAT is 35th, Rudy 39th https://x.com/andrewdbailey/status/1748760610207355150?s=46&t=onxyh9cLuduaEE8VkMrnMQ
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The Maestro posted:Andy Bailey did this averaging at various points throughout the season league wide. This was the most recent one. Ant is 26th, KAT is 35th, Rudy 39th 
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Those numbers are from Jan though too, there was a lot of basketball after that.
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The Maestro posted:Andy Bailey did this averaging at various points throughout the season league wide. This was the most recent one. Ant is 26th, KAT is 35th, Rudy 39th Cade below 150 stood out to me
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May 8, 2024 23:03
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didn't believe in the list until i saw it post an ultimate truth with kevin love at 56. finally someone giving elite old man kevin love his due
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https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1788291447277633779 clearly the idea of anyone wanting billups is bullshit but dang lookin good for portland getting a real head coach if rumors like this are circulating
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Lockback posted:No, Shai's is fair. WS is zero sum within a team. If your giving 1 player more you have to take it from another player. So you need to do what I did and say who are you taking WS from. So in SGA's case I think Chet's .175 is pretty fair (maybe slightly elevated but maybe not). So he's not getting the same rim-running boost Rudy is getting. No one else on OKC looks too out of place imo. Ok but the formula is the same for all of them, so why is he not getting the “rim running boost”? Isn’t it much more likely that Ant was simply not nearly as good this year as he has been in the playoffs, and the fact that he is a below average scorer on high usage while Shai is a very much above average efficiency scorer on both usage more or less accurately reflects their relative value? And that Gobert, by virtue of ending far fewer possessions in a negative way and being extremely efficient in those he does end represents a lot of value (keeping in mind that more than half his value as imputed from WS is defensive)? If your claim is that the WS formula accurately assigns value for some teams and not others, I think that requires a lot more convincing argument than vibes (and a lot more convincing argument than just saying WS is dumb)
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Speaking of Win Shares, it's got to be just about impossible to break Kareem's single-season of record of 25.4 and Wemby's going to break it isn't he? EDIT: In Kareem's six seasons in Milwaukee he had 115 Win Shares holy poo poo
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Aye Doc posted:https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1788291447277633779 Gotta get in on the JJ Redick hunt
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Crazy Ted posted:Speaking of Win Shares, it's got to be just about impossible to break Kareem's single-season of record of 25.4 and Wemby's going to break it isn't he? unless wemby takes this current dogshit Spurs roster to 63 wins in 2024-25, he will not be breaking this record
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Aye Doc posted:https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1788291447277633779 Thank God but also what about Cronin
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Detroit hires billups, Portland hires monty
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slave to my cravings posted:Detroit hires billups, Portland hires monty  At least everyone would feel better.
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Just shut up shaq and let the man have his moment sheesh
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lmao shaq is telling jokic to his face over zoom that shai should have won instead. and he's right  , sga is a national treasure. could we somehow take back embiid's fradulent mvp and give it to him?
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Blessed Domantas voter
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Who keeps voting for Sabonis for DPOY and MVP lol
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Metapod posted:Shai was robbed Naw
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pentyne posted:Kevin Durant? fifth place vote, so it wasn't him voting for himself. I'm guessing a voter wasn't paying attention and just went "uhhhh who else let's see, KD, that guy's good"
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To be fair KD absolutely carried that Suns team to the wrong end of a first-round sweep.
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anakha posted:I wish Jokic had responded to Shaq by saying Nash deserved those MVPs over him too.
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