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In just 7 months Israel has killed significantly more people than the Contras did during the entire, bloody Nicaraguan civil war or the ruling junta did during the Argentine dirty war. Both of those lasted around a decade. The rate of killing in Palestine is insanely high. Or, for a more recent comparison, the Palestinian death-toll is similar to Ukrainian civilian deaths over 26 months of warfare.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:In just 7 months Israel has killed significantly more people than the Contras did during the entire, bloody Nicaraguan civil war or the ruling junta did during the Argentine dirty war. Both of those lasted around a decade. The rate of killing in Palestine is insanely high. What's the current count? The only numbers I e seen are months out of date
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May 6, 2024 01:06
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Estimates range from twenty something thousand to well into thirty thousand. There isn't actually a huge discrepancy between Israeli claims and Palestinian health authorities. Even by the Israeli numbers it's an exceptionally deadly conflict for civilians.
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May 6, 2024 01:53
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Estimates range from twenty something thousand to well into thirty thousand. There isn't actually a huge discrepancy between Israeli claims and Palestinian health authorities. Even by the Israeli numbers it's an exceptionally deadly conflict for civilians. That's the number I recall seeing, but I also seem to remember that's an out of date estimate, especially now that famine has set in.
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May 6, 2024 02:44
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/23/by-the-numbers-200-days-of-israels-war-on-gazaquote:According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, at least 34,183 people have been killed and 77,084 have been wounded in Israeli attacks.
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May 6, 2024 02:56
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There isn't actually a huge discrepancy between Israeli claims and Palestinian health authorities. quote:Gaza’s Palestinian health authorities say they can no longer count all their dead. Hospitals, emergency services and communications are barely functioning. Extracting bodies from the vast number of collapsed buildings is a gargantuan task and not a priority while the war continues.
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May 6, 2024 03:06
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Yeah the discrepancy is Palestine is no longer able to count because there's so many dead that they cannot even reach.
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May 6, 2024 11:51
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Also Israel actively targeted and killed all the people who were doing the counting.
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May 7, 2024 11:45
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Arguably that was one of the main motives for taking out the hospitals. You know, alongside the bonus of killing more people, and the general goal of depopulating Gaza.
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May 7, 2024 17:53
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I think a good comparison is the war in Yemen, which from 2014 until now has had about 400,000 deaths, so something like 40,000 a year. It's particularly relevant because of the weaponization of food. In Gaza the counted deaths are equivalent to ~58,000 a year
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May 8, 2024 01:52
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Huh it seems like there are some allegations that the Israeli government has been funding Hamas. https://www.politico.eu/article/isr...ry%20doctorate.
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May 9, 2024 09:33
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Grip it and rip it posted:Huh it seems like there are some allegations that the Israeli government has been funding Hamas. That's been widely known for a while - that piece links to other reporting on it, including Netanyahu admitting it. The news story is that someone said it in an embarrassing forum, not that it's a novel allegation.
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May 9, 2024 09:41
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Yes, in order to keep Palestinians divided and the PA weak Hamas was boosted. Fairly classic divide and conquer, though it does look especially bad.
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May 9, 2024 11:17
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Count Roland posted:Yes, in order to keep Palestinians divided and the PA weak Hamas was boosted. Fairly classic divide and conquer, though it does look especially bad. Yeah directly funding the organization that killed 1000+ of your citizens and kicked off this war is a bad look, to say the least.
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May 9, 2024 12:30
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Grip it and rip it posted:Yeah directly funding the organization that killed 1000+ of your citizens and kicked off this war is a bad look, to say the least. They learned it by watching their big brother.
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May 9, 2024 12:52
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New editions of 1984 should add a disclaimer that it’s not an instruction manual Same for the famous sci-fi novel with the Torment Nexus
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May 9, 2024 13:18
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Subjunctive posted:They learned it by watching their big brother. Yeah the parallels with 9/11 are eerie, up to and including the whole world looking at the response completely aghast.
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May 9, 2024 13:46
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As a side note, “bring them home” means different things in Israel and the US. In Israel, frequently a call from families of hostages and supporters for a deal or ceasefire to secure release of hostages. In America, a call for enduring or unrestricted combat and strikes.
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May 9, 2024 14:04
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Somebody should probably explain that difference to their government
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May 9, 2024 14:06
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Oh the government knows and doesn’t care. Israeli cops are regularly filmed and reported getting violent against Israeli “bring them home” protesters who are family members of hostages.
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May 9, 2024 14:14
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Israeli security minister taking the partial pause in arms shipments well: https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/1788458123436433783
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May 9, 2024 14:16
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mlmp08 posted:In America, a call for enduring or unrestricted combat and strikes. Are you talking about specifically in the context of the current Israeli/Palestine conflict, or generally? Because I distinctly remember it as an anti-war slogan during the height of the Iraq war from like 2005-2009.
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May 9, 2024 14:31
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psydude posted:Are you talking about specifically in the context of the current Israeli/Palestine conflict, That’s the thread I’m posting in.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Israeli security minister taking the partial pause in arms shipments well: It’s really remarkable that a wealthy industrialized nation can’t reduce one poor fish in a barrel city to rubble without being given American bombs.
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May 9, 2024 14:38
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Cugel the Clever posted:Israeli security minister taking the partial pause in arms shipments well: what an infantile response. i’m coming around to the idea that israel’s ongoing behavior for months now is in part designed to cause biden reelection problems tom friedman, of all people, had a good op/ed recently describing how pretty much everyone involved in the whole conflict is terrible in different ways
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May 9, 2024 18:01
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pmchem posted:what an infantile response. i’m coming around to the idea that israel’s ongoing behavior for months now is in part designed to cause biden reelection problems You see they need western ammo because their own quality control is poo poo and it's been well known since the 80's that israeli ammo is hot wet garbage. Kind of like how their troops are also garbage at basic soldier tasks because they're not expecting, or trained to fight, anyone who can fight back. They'll murder the hell out of war correspondents and anyone else with a camera though.
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May 9, 2024 19:12
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You need to send us precision weapons so that we don't hit a building full of children instead of our intended target (also a building full of children)
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May 9, 2024 19:50
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it takes incredible precision to level an entire city block of a refugee camp camp into uninhabitable rubble
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May 9, 2024 20:12
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No no you see, it's so they can be precise about which building full of innocent civilians they're targeting.
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May 9, 2024 20:32
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The idea that Israel somehow needs 2,000 pound bombs to fight in an urban area is laughable on its face, and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic and insane.
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May 9, 2024 20:48
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It's because bombs cost money. The american deal is the best deal they have.
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If you withhold bombs, they'll just mash Palestinians beneath their treads. https://www.twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1787851313922887686 Huh, are Twitter embeds broken?? e: didn't auto-add the URL wrapper 
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May 10, 2024 03:12
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Between your comment and the thumbnail I am just going to assume that is a pro-not-click
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Discussion Quorum posted:Between your comment and the thumbnail I am just going to assume that is a pro-not-click No people featured in the clip. It's symbolic rather than literal but it's a hell of a symbolic gesture.
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So… https://x.com/barakravid/status/1788952088724062258 Best metaphor: “this is… you are shredding the UN charter with your own hands” *shreds the UN charter with his own hands* “yes, yes that is what you are doing shredding the UN charter, shame on you” Edit: Can I just point out that there’s no target market for a tiny paper shredder that’s transparent acrylic? Tiny paper shredder is an op
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Cugel the Clever posted:If you withhold bombs, they'll just mash Palestinians beneath their treads. The level of pointless cruelty is almost impressive
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May 11, 2024 04:11
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In the good news department, the pier the US DOD has been putting together to land aid directly into Gaza is almost ready. It's assembled but not properly installed on shore yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsZiR17sZU Fair warning, the commentator makes the point that it would be much more efficient to land aid at a proper port and truck it into Gaza. Which it would be, if Israel was letting trucks full of aid into Gaza.
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IDF air force is gonna have a little whoopsy with a mistargeted missile just before that thing gets nailed down, I bet
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Not impossible.
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Kazinsal posted:IDF air force is gonna have a little whoopsy with a mistargeted missile just before that thing gets nailed down, I bet It won't be mistargeted at all, they'll have some bullshit pretext that we won't even try to debunk.
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