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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

morothar posted:

This was my summary on the previous page after driving one in Ireland last year.

So sadly, a Tiguan isn’t even close. A Golf GTI might be the closest product available in the US in terms of feel/package.

While I don't think the US get all the current MQB evo variants yet, a golf is a very far cry from a Formentor, one is a low riding hatchback and the other is a high riding soft suspensions suv.

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morothar
Dec 21, 2005

SlowBloke posted:

While I don't think the US get all the current MQB evo variants yet, a golf is a very far cry from a Formentor, one is a low riding hatchback and the other is a high riding soft suspensions suv.

I know what you mean, but hence why I said closest:

Weight: Formentor and GTI approx 3,100 lbs, Tiguan about 3,600 lbs

Clearance: Formentor 16cm, GTI about 12 cm, Tiguan 19cm

Height: Formentor 60”, GTI 58”, Tiguan 65”

Length: Formentor 175”, GTI 169, Tiguan 186”

Interior space: about the same in the Formentor/Golf, the Tiguan is way bigger

The Formentor felt like a modern rally-spec Golf Country; the Tiguan is just an SUV.

morothar
Dec 21, 2005

Picked up a Mazda 3 AWD Turbo in Newark this week. I was briefly contemplating if a Mazda 3 would make a good 2nd family vehicle, so the opportunity to drive it for a week was a treat.

In short, it’s about a 7.5/10? Would recommend, but I suspect a Golf GTI may be a more well-rounded offering. More of a warm than hot hatch, but fun enough to drive.

The Mazda 3 is quick, but not fast. Compared to our ID4, it’s… kinda slow, but that’s EVs for you. Significant turbo lag from a stop - you smash the go pedal and it takes a full second for the car to move. The gearbox is unobtrusive; a Porsche PDK / VW Doppelkupplung it ain’t.
Hugs the road well, but kind of soft. Definitely tuned for comfort. I was surprised that it weighs in at 3,300 lbs, because it feels lighter.

Interior is upmarket, with a e.g. soft-touch middle console. It’s also snug, but I love when a car hugs me as a driver and you sit “in” the car. Rear doors are on the small side, and I’ve had some passengers complain about ingress and egress. The trunk is adequate with a narrow opening.

Would drive again.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

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Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
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Lone Road Warrior Rundown
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No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
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morothar posted:

Picked up a Mazda 3 AWD Turbo in Newark this week. I was briefly contemplating if a Mazda 3 would make a good 2nd family vehicle, so the opportunity to drive it for a week was a treat.

In short, it’s about a 7.5/10? Would recommend, but I suspect a Golf GTI may be a more well-rounded offering. More of a warm than hot hatch, but fun enough to drive.

The Mazda 3 is quick, but not fast. Compared to our ID4, it’s… kinda slow, but that’s EVs for you. Significant turbo lag from a stop - you smash the go pedal and it takes a full second for the car to move. The gearbox is unobtrusive; a Porsche PDK / VW Doppelkupplung it ain’t.
Hugs the road well, but kind of soft. Definitely tuned for comfort. I was surprised that it weighs in at 3,300 lbs, because it feels lighter.

Interior is upmarket, with a e.g. soft-touch middle console. It’s also snug, but I love when a car hugs me as a driver and you sit “in” the car. Rear doors are on the small side, and I’ve had some passengers complain about ingress and egress. The trunk is adequate with a narrow opening.

Would drive again.

Sedan I assume? I've been considering the hatch for when it's time to replace my 6. Your impression seems to match pretty much what I've heard/read elsewhere. "Warm" but not "hot", "sporty" but still a bit soft, quick but not exactly aggressive. I could definitely live with that as a DD.

morothar
Dec 21, 2005

Boaz MacPhereson posted:

Sedan I assume? I've been considering the hatch for when it's time to replace my 6. Your impression seems to match pretty much what I've heard/read elsewhere. "Warm" but not "hot", "sporty" but still a bit soft, quick but not exactly aggressive. I could definitely live with that as a DD.

No, it was the hatch alright. In some kind of baby diarrhea color.

Design-wise, I think it looks way better than the sedan, or the golf.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

morothar posted:

No, it was the hatch alright. In some kind of baby diarrhea color.

Design-wise, I think it looks way better than the sedan, or the golf.

Ah, cool. "Trunk" threw me off. Sounds like it may have been their new 'Zircon Sand' color. Haven't seen it in person, but I kinda dig it based on the website.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

My 2007 BMW 525D was at the dealer to get the airconditioning fixed.

They gave me a 2024 330e (4cylinder petrol plug in hybrid with a 12kwh battery).

Thoughts on the 330e:

1. HUDs are a pointless gimmic.
2. ⁠PHEVs are not great at anything in particular beyond shorter journeys and the ability to do a longer journey once in a while. If you're doing about 100miles a day or more, it needs more refueling and more charging, and therefore more faff, than a regular petrol car. I ran down the battery from 100% in hybrid mode to 0% in a 40 mile drive.
3. Not enough boot space in 3s, particularly not in the e.
4. ⁠Not a fan of girth of the M steering wheel.
5. ⁠The car's parking sensors go bloody mad when trying to reverse in parallel to tight garage openings, properly screaming at you like you have already hit something. My E60's parking sensors are far better calibrated.
6. ⁠Digital dashboards are not as good as clocks.
7. ⁠Autopark is bloody amazing.
8. Steering wheel heating is fantastic.
9. Heated seats are nice.
10. ⁠X drive is very very planted. I was taking tight corners I know like the back of my hand much quicker than in Brenda.
11. ⁠I can see why comfort access results in stolen cars.

All in all, I prefer my car significantly more.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
That's not really a problem with PHEVs in general, rather with that particular implementation which has the both worse fuel economy and a much smaller tank than the normal petrol version.

morothar
Dec 21, 2005

And in this week’s entry: a CX-50.

In a vacuum, it’s probably a good CUV. Compared to the Mazda 3 of last week, it felt like a car on stilts.

It does CUV things: it’s taller than a car, with longer travel. Do you need the additional travel on NJ highways and interstates? Eh. The potholes you need to watch out for need bigger tires, not more travel. So the end result is easier ingress and egress, and more wallowing. Little has been gained otherwise.

Quick enough, but nothing to write home about. Weirdly aggressive mapping and gearbox compared to the Mazda 3. It would hold gears for longer than necessary, and weirdly have rpms hang for a second.

Interior is fine, if anonymous. The 3 had an alcantara dash, which stood out and is fun to run your hand over. The CX-50 had soft-touch, and puffy material across the bottom of the dash.

Also, no usb-c.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

My car is in the body shop this week, my rental is a Toyota Tundra.



First impression: shockingly large. I know it's a full-sized pickup, but Jesus does it have to be this big?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Safety Dance posted:

My car is in the body shop this week, my rental is a Toyota Tundra.



First impression: shockingly large. I know it's a full-sized pickup, but Jesus does it have to be this big?

I like the tiny vestigial "bed" at the rear. You could put a very small amount of something in there.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

It's a 5.5 foot bed. I can't quite stretch out, but I'm cleaning out my garage this week and I can move a pretty decent amount of junk to the dump. And I don't care about getting it dirty like I would my car.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

PT6A posted:

I like the tiny vestigial "bed" at the rear. You could put a very small amount of something in there.

I don't like the teeny bed that they put on crew cabs, either. Every time I've had to use a truck in that configuration, it's been this close to fitting what I need to haul. 6.5ft with a toolbox is still useful, as long as there's some space under the box. 8ft with a toolbox is great, regardless of box depth.

Single cab and long bed is somewhat of a dying breed. To me, that's the quintessential pickup truck. Plenty of room in the bed, easy to see out of, a smoother ride while towing (and easier to see around the trailer while backing) than a shorter truck, lighter than a crew cab. You only lose one seat, too, as long as it has a bench.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
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I've rented a lot of cars in the last few months after I sold the taco truck:

Honda Accord for a trip from San Diego to Santa Cruz. I'd specified a full size car with Enterprise, and apparently only them and the EPA think the Accord is full sized (:what:). The rear seats folded down and the trunk pass-through was sizeable so I was able to fit most of my stuff. The auto-cruise control stuff worked flawlessly, the car got about 28mpg for the trip, and was very comfortable. Visibility was good from the driver's seat. Apple Carplay would crash around every four hours, and the speakers weren't that great. Overall I'd take it as a rental upgrade, but I wouldn't pay extra for it.

Jeep Grand Cherokee for a cross country trip to job hunt - San Diego to Morristown NJ. Fantastic SUV for road trips - spacious, comfortable, the full-time 4wd handled the rain/snow on the trip perfectly, and it got about 23mpg. Apple Carplay worked great and the sound system was good. It had domestic car quirks, like surging when re-engaging cruise control, but I dont know if I would have noticed/cared if I hadn't been driving the aforementioned Accord the day before. Visibility from the driver's seat was OK, even with my stuff laying below the rear window I still had to rely on the backup camera considerably. I'd consider buying one for my next car, but I don't really trust Jeeps.

Rented a Chevy Sparxx for about 3 months while I was job-hunting in NJ. Surprisingly decent car - combined 30ishmpg, the infotainment and Apple Carplay worked nearly flawlessly, speakers were loud and had great range, and the front passenger seat folds down for even more room. Build quality was domestic econo-car though, also some slight overheating problems on a 75° day. Being a Hertz rental it had some serious wheel/steering vibration issues at 60mph+ but thats how it goes. Would also consider as my next car, but I feel like reliability would be a concern. The car had FL plates so it seemed recent to the tri-state winters (which were very mild this year), but it had some visible surface rust on the undercarriage by the time I returned it.

Finally rented a Chevy Malibu for the trip back to CA. This car is a freeway bomber. Very comfortable, fast, and averaged 30mph on the drive. I slept in the driver's seat one night at a rest stop, and I was relatively comfortable and had room to recline the seat to nearly vertical. Also the trunk is huge. Visibility from the driver's seat is poor, and the rear window collects water/snow even while driving. Apple Carplay worked flawlessly throughout the trip, but there was something weird with the soundsystem where anything below 1/2 volume was muted and anything about 1/2 was deafening, also the sound quality wasn't that great. Steering was nimble for a full sized car. It would be a great road trip car, but I have zero interest in owning one

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Rented a car yesterday for a road trip since the Canyon had a flat tire and a replacement wasn't available until today. Priceline, "provider's choice" from Avis - turned out to be a 2023 RAM 1500 Classic crew cab with a Pentastar and 8-speed auto. Which I think makes it the same generation as the UHaul truck I rented in 2019? I don't know how the gently caress they're still producing this.

The good: Is Truck. Reasonably quiet inside, ate up interstate highway miles and lovely roads alike.

Everything else about it became worse and more obnoxious as time went on, and I think some of these are actually worse than the UHaul truck I'd rented five years ago because at least that one had the excuse of being the most base possible trim. But that one also had a Hemi and if I had to guess, it was probably also equipped with a 65RFE six-speed instead of the ZF 8-speed. The UHaul truck was certainly a lighter truck overall being a single-cab, but it had a UHaul car hauler with an Opel GT on it so it was definitely the heavier vehicle overall. I don't recall having any concerns with getting up to speed, slow speed throttle, or transmission hunting on the UHaul truck.

On the Avis truck? loving garbage. The throttle curve on the Pentastar is atrocious. If you ease into the throttle to have a smooth launch, it just won't loving go. If you give it a normal amount of throttle (which would still result in a smooth launch in any other car), it loving jerks off the line and then goes. Six hours of driving and I couldn't smooth this out; thirty seconds back in the Canyon and I was back to normal.

It also doesn't have enough power to actually cruise 80MPH in 8th gear; it would kick down at least one gear for drat near anything. The transmission programming would randomly decide whether to quickly upshift or hang in each gear on the way up.

The interior? The only points it scores are for the fact that the knob shifter means no center console shifter. But the knob shifter is poo poo and should be nuked from orbit. It's a truck, give it a loving column shifter. The gauge cluster is way overstyled and harder to read for it. UConnect in this is somehow vastly worse than UConnect was in the Jeep Cherokee I rented in 2022. No Android Auto / Carplay that I could find. Bluetooth had a 2-second lag like I had on my '13 CR-V. Yet it had GPS, with nav data at least a year out of date. Sound quality wasn't the worst, but it wasn't far off of it. No USB ports anywhere I could find. And no loving steering wheel media controls. My '03 Grand Cherokee had those! So no way to change tracks without reaching for the center stack, and because Chrysler, it's almost all loving touchscreen.

My wife liked the concept and feel of a modern full size truck when we got in it, and I don't blame her. It does again prove that modern full sizes feel twice as large as my C10. I could maybe see getting a fullsize to replace the Canyon especially if it keeps on being annoyingly unreliable but it sure as gently caress will not be a RAM.

IOwnCalculus fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 21, 2024

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

IOwnCalculus posted:

My wife liked the concept and feel of a modern full size truck when we got in it, and I don't blame her. It does again prove that modern full sizes feel twice as large as my C10. I could maybe see getting a fullsize to replace the Canyon especially if it keeps on being annoyingly unreliable but it sure as gently caress will not be a RAM.

That's the weird thing about the RAM - it is certainly a modern full size pickup and it feels like it on first impressions, but if you hop out of the RAM you've been driving for a day and into a Ford F-150 or one of the offerings from GM it's somehow night and day, even though all of them are absolutely is Truck.

And yes, that stupid circular knob for the transmission needs to die.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
It's wild that RAM is still selling a truck from 2009 as new.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Current rental is a Nissan Leaf. I've never driven one of them before. It's an entirely lovely city car. The guess-o-meter says 200 miles on a full charge, and it seems to charge up from 80-100% battery when plugged into a 120V socket overnight. I have a 240V socket in my garage but it's the wrong kind of plug, and I don't feel like building an adapter for a week-long rental. It's pleasant enough to drive.

The mandated EV slow speed safety noise is a little annoying. I find myself purposefully going 26 or 27mph to shut it up. The driver's window is automatic but the driver's switch for the front passenger window is not, which is weird. The adaptive cruise control and lane centering is pretty good. The nav system is not. To put it in drive they give you a little ball that you move sideways and backwards. Sideways and forwards for reverse. For some reason I can't keep it straight which is which, so I sometimes put it in reverse when I mean to put it in drive. Fortunately the mandated EV backup noise is pretty noticeable. It's annoying how the E-Pedal mode state doesn't persist when you turn the car off. E-Pedal is great except when trying to parallel park. The interior is base Nissan cheap. The switch for the parking brake is too far aft. The trunk is more spacious than the Bolt or the Hyundai Kona.

Altogether a good little car but I'm very excited to get my V8 SUV back from the shop.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

Zero One posted:

It's wild that RAM is still selling a truck from 2009 as new.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

how long has the current pacifica and caravan been around? i bet theyve only seen minor changes since like 2010 as well.

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Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



Arson Daily posted:

how long has the current pacifica and caravan been around? i bet theyve only seen minor changes since like 2010 as well.

Well; that’s Stellantis. They made the “new” challenger in 2008 and it was made til 2024

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