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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Delta-Wye posted:

tbf i think you could make a pretty competent cruise missile tug off of the c130 platform

edit:
like this lockmart propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d-lQ5dUh8c

getting 12 irreplaceable jassm-ers blown up en route because you put them on the mic equivalent of scooty puff jr

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

the international rule of law has made it a crime to shoot back or to be capable of doing so

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

e: beaten

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

The Oldest Man posted:

the mic equivalent of scooty puff jr

i have spent a lot of time around/on coastie c130s



and this is apt

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Danann posted:

https://www.twz.com/air/rogue-1-is-one-of-the-marine-corps-newest-kamikaze-drone

I'm pretty sure even the most premium of Geraniums are less costly than the US version of a FPV drone.

Idk wtf makes these so expensive because according to Ukrainians the switchblades we sent sucked rear end and were susceptible to jamming, not that these are the same but those were equally overpriced bs (yeah I know it's grift but like I'd love to see a BOM/assembly drawing to see just how egregious it is)

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

Justin Tyme posted:

Idk wtf makes these so expensive because according to Ukrainians the switchblades we sent sucked rear end and were susceptible to jamming, not that these are the same but those were equally overpriced bs (yeah I know it's grift but like I'd love to see a BOM/assembly drawing to see just how egregious it is)

The Switchblades also used an experimental explosive known as CL-20. It was discovered a while ago but the Chinese discovered how to stabilize it only recently. I bet that drives up the price a lot.

CL-20 is also supposed to be used on the JASSM-ERs mentioned earlier.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer

Justin Tyme posted:

Idk wtf makes these so expensive because according to Ukrainians the switchblades we sent sucked rear end and were susceptible to jamming, not that these are the same but those were equally overpriced bs (yeah I know it's grift but like I'd love to see a BOM/assembly drawing to see just how egregious it is)

its not that the units cost a lot, its that development costs a lot because it needs investment capitol. that capitol needs to see a return of a certain amount or it will exercise it's rights to the free market and invest elsewhere.

also, obviously grift. you've got to give enough money to the right people to even get any notice at all, even if you have a solidly beneficial product. merit alone won't get anyone poo poo

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


RaySmuckles posted:

its not that the units cost a lot, its that development costs a lot because it needs investment capitol. that capitol needs to see a return of a certain amount or it will exercise it's rights to the free market and invest elsewhere.

also, obviously grift. you've got to give enough money to the right people to even get any notice at all, even if you have a solidly beneficial product. merit alone won't get anyone poo poo

Yeah, same excuse pharma uses, maybe we should have army labs to develop these sort of things on the governments dime, oh well, there's no better way under liberal capitalism

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Laughing again that the XM-8 started out as a pretty good G-36 and after loving up the program David Petraeus personally carried one during his Iraq deployment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuZruxara0Y

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/BillKirbyHBS/status/1788624722718060999

i guess the plan is to rely even more intensively on nafo and reddit to yell at people that the chinese trains and factories your lying eyes perceive don't actually exist

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
but they told me anyone who knows chinese is a seeseepee spy

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah, the problem is if they start learning the language, they may start actually learn about the country and its history...you can't have that. That was a failure of Soviet/Russian studies, you actually started having specialists with language skills go into the archives and read material they shouldn't be reading.

Orbis Tertius
Feb 13, 2007

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/BillKirbyHBS/status/1788624722718060999

i guess the plan is to rely even more intensively on nafo and reddit to yell at people that the chinese trains and factories your lying eyes perceive don't actually exist

we cannot allow a China Expert gap

Orbis Tertius has issued a correction as of 09:53 on May 10, 2024

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, the problem is if they start learning the language, they may start actually learn about the country and its history...you can't have that. That was a failure of Soviet/Russian studies, you actually started having specialists with language skills go into the archives and read material they shouldn't be reading.

having actual china experts would mean them learning dangerous facts like the 2nd half of the tank man video or the charred unarmed PLA corpses on trucks in TAM

can't have that

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

gradenko_2000 posted:

The US will lose ww3 cinematic universe

the US is already losing the Period piece race.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Stairmaster posted:

Did you miss the scene in the 800 where they fly the roc flag while Japanese fighter craft strafe them

he has bad eyesight. He thought the blur was from censorship instead of cataracts.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/BillKirbyHBS/status/1788624722718060999

i guess the plan is to rely even more intensively on nafo and reddit to yell at people that the chinese trains and factories your lying eyes perceive don't actually exist

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, the problem is if they start learning the language, they may start actually learn about the country and its history...you can't have that. That was a failure of Soviet/Russian studies, you actually started having specialists with language skills go into the archives and read material they shouldn't be reading.

meanwhile Chinese Marxist schools have thorough historical-economic analyses of NATO countries lmao

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




why spending money teaching white kids chinese when there are thousands of chinese immigrant kids that know it already you can teach bitchass cia poo poo to

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Tankbuster posted:

the US is already losing the Period piece race.

The Washington elites are basically like Ridley Scott, way too old and refuse to go.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Real hurthling! posted:

why spending money teaching white kids chinese when there are thousands of chinese immigrant kids that know it already you can teach bitchass cia poo poo to

thousands of people who need all sorts of security waivers for having relatives in “enemy” states you say? and a communist state at that? No, that will not do. security clearance denied.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
the us self-sabotaging due to blatant racism and xenophobia you say?

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Justin Tyme posted:

Idk wtf makes these so expensive because according to Ukrainians the switchblades we sent sucked rear end and were susceptible to jamming, not that these are the same but those were equally overpriced bs (yeah I know it's grift but like I'd love to see a BOM/assembly drawing to see just how egregious it is)

they are built by white collar computer touchers whose mortgage costs them $6000 a month

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AECes9N9Wac

c ~9:30 "The myth of the Tiger doesn't start during the war, it's started by NATO during the 1960's when they have to prove that less amount of good AFVs can somehow offset large amounts of less good AFVs"

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Regarde Aduck posted:

and the example is always against China. As if such a conflict wouldn't be devastating for both sides. Them just really getting hype for a war that is going to kill 90% of current personal and 100% of the active ships and aircraft within the first month. I guess the plan is that the war would be limited but I don't know if anyone informed China.

to be only slightly less dismissive, let me expand on this slightly

both economic performance and military performance hinge on a lot of coordination and communication expertises. china has a lot of problems with these expertises. you can see this in things like the chinese GDP constantly being revised downward from publicly released numbers because there is a giant, overriding problem with communication in China: it is outright incentivized to lie to your superiors in many cases, both civilian and state. there are more effects. but frankly, what i am talking about is so fundamental to understanding the situation that i genuinely mistook your position as a low-effort troll. the edit convinced me otherwise. at any rate, though, i'll wait until someone actually gives a considered, nuanced explanation as to why china is rising and will take the crown of the world this time, for serious bro, before i devote any more words to the topic.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Gripweed posted:

to be only slightly less dismissive, let me expand on this slightly

both economic performance and military performance hinge on a lot of coordination and communication expertises. china has a lot of problems with these expertises. you can see this in things like the chinese GDP constantly being revised downward from publicly released numbers because there is a giant, overriding problem with communication in China: it is outright incentivized to lie to your superiors in many cases, both civilian and state. there are more effects. but frankly, what i am talking about is so fundamental to understanding the situation that i genuinely mistook your position as a low-effort troll. the edit convinced me otherwise. at any rate, though, i'll wait until someone actually gives a considered, nuanced explanation as to why china is rising and will take the crown of the world this time, for serious bro, before i devote any more words to the topic.

Can't imagine the dysfunctional system of the Orient where you are incentivised to lie to your boss.

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark
It is a mystery how a state with:
- several times the population,
- much higher manufacturing capacity,
- a proven track record of installing vast amounts of cutting edge high speed rail tech over only a decade,
- active experience in every form of production,
- and supplies a huge amount of the US's raw, intermediate, and finished goods
could possibly unseat the empire of the US.

The US who is currently proving it can't deal with a handful of rebels in some arid mountains of the country with the worlds 123rd highest GDP and no navy in a naval conflict.

Thankfully the perfidious Chinese just lie to each other all day long so they'll come undone any second now. We know they lie, that's why no other country will enter into any form of commercial deal with them.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Real hurthling! posted:

why spending money teaching white kids chinese when there are thousands of chinese immigrant kids that know it already you can teach bitchass cia poo poo to

the spooks are too wildly racist for that

Best Friends posted:

thousands of people who need all sorts of security waivers for having relatives in “enemy” states you say? and a communist state at that? No, that will not do. security clearance denied.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Gripweed posted:

to be only slightly less dismissive, let me expand on this slightly

both economic performance and military performance hinge on a lot of coordination and communication expertises. china has a lot of problems with these expertises. you can see this in things like the chinese GDP constantly being revised downward from publicly released numbers because there is a giant, overriding problem with communication in China: it is outright incentivized to lie to your superiors in many cases, both civilian and state. there are more effects. but frankly, what i am talking about is so fundamental to understanding the situation that i genuinely mistook your position as a low-effort troll. the edit convinced me otherwise. at any rate, though, i'll wait until someone actually gives a considered, nuanced explanation as to why china is rising and will take the crown of the world this time, for serious bro, before i devote any more words to the topic.

first guess is gip

second guess is tfr

Chonchon
Dec 16, 2013

Gripweed posted:

to be only slightly less dismissive, let me expand on this slightly

both economic performance and military performance hinge on a lot of coordination and communication expertises. china has a lot of problems with these expertises. you can see this in things like the chinese GDP constantly being revised downward from publicly released numbers because there is a giant, overriding problem with communication in China: it is outright incentivized to lie to your superiors in many cases, both civilian and state. there are more effects. but frankly, what i am talking about is so fundamental to understanding the situation that i genuinely mistook your position as a low-effort troll. the edit convinced me otherwise. at any rate, though, i'll wait until someone actually gives a considered, nuanced explanation as to why china is rising and will take the crown of the world this time, for serious bro, before i devote any more words to the topic.


is this a bit, r u doing some kind of routine, or are “insidious oriental” and “devil eyed gook” standard features in your everyday thought and speech

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Chonchon posted:

is this a bit, r u doing some kind of routine, or are “insidious oriental” and “devil eyed gook” standard features in your everyday thought and speech

Eye gook can be pretty terrible

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Danann posted:

first guess is gip

second guess is tfr

third guess is d&d

tenth guess is pyf

Danann
Aug 4, 2013


Surreal that even the most negative opinion has to be couched in the unexamined assumption that the American military is ever invincible.

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark
PYF lol

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

I checked their post history. they're not sinophobic they just really like dancehall

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
Being inherently sinophobic is kinda a part of the standard western intellectual toolkit at this point. I generally assume until proven otherwise that everyone in the world who speaks english as a first language probably has some hilarious stupid ideas about the perfidious chinese bouncing around their head, especially if it's someone who thinks that they have any kind of political knowledge about anything.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Since I read Chinese Characteristics, I’m just amused by it. Things literally have reverted back to Boxer Rebellion caricatures of the Orient.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Can you imagine the scandal if the US continually revised key economic indicators months after they'd already been used for headlines about big economic recoveries?

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Nix Panicus posted:

Can you imagine the scandal if the US continually revised key economic indicators months after they'd already been used for headlines about big economic recoveries?

lol

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Some cultures just incentivize people to lie to their superiors as a matter of course, and that is why they will lose any substantial conflict. It can't be helped, some cultures are just rotten.

Now to take a big sip of coffee and look up the last Pentagon audit. I love to see accountability

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galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

Since I read Chinese Characteristics, I’m just amused by it. Things literally have reverted back to Boxer Rebellion caricatures of the Orient.

They never stopped.

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