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DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1788562242457240041

Surely you can't just bring vampires with you to court, that's jury intimidation
From the Guardian live blog:

quote:

Rick Scott, the Republican Florida senator who is seated in the front row of the courtroom today, appeared alongside Donald Trump as the former president addressed the media before court proceedings began.

Scott did not speak to reporters directly but Trump said:

quote:

We have Rick Scott here, we have other politicians here. We have people, many people in support.
It is unclear which other politicians Trump was referring to.
He just can’t help himself, can he?

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Apparently Janine Pirro is there too, in the overflow room. Presumably it's easier to hide the box of wine in there.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Does that gaggle have any actual legal function or are these just emotional support toadies?

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

Kagrenak posted:

Wow you're not kidding he went to what seems to be literally the worst law school in the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooley_Law_School

Like the University of American Samoa, only Saul Goodman was an excellent lawyer/fixer.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

bird food bathtub posted:

Does that gaggle have any actual legal function or are these just emotional support toadies?

They are groveling

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Auditioning his new VP nomination?

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

The Question IRL posted:

I think the question is, what are you expecting out of this. The biggest, most likely consequence if convicted is Trump will just be referred to as a convicted criminal, and any future sentences he gets will be harder hitting?
I would like him to be in loving jail, or at the very least pinned down by an ongoing trial in October, so he can’t campaign and the news cycle is 24/7 about him being a crook

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I assumed they were all lawyers, who didn't really have to be there but were getting those billable hours showing up, so sure why not.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

CapnAndy posted:

so he can’t campaign

Don't worry he isn't.

Though he did schedule a fundraiser for the same day as Barron's graduation.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

bird food bathtub posted:

Does that gaggle have any actual legal function or are these just emotional support toadies?

I think it is both common and desirable to permit criminal defendants to have supporters accompany them to trial.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Zapp Brannigan posted:

Does the title "Convicted Felon" go away while the appeal plays out?

Nope!

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
"convicted felon" also doesn't go away if you're pardoned, it just becomes "convicted and pardoned felon"

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
At least by continuing to delay the trials through legal shenanigans, all Trump's Judicial accomplices are ensuring the party remains broke and all political fundraising is siphoned off to the nation's worst lawyers.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Can someone clarify for me what the penalties are for this election funds-fraud case? There's 30+ counts to it. I've heard that each count brings a fine; also heard that each may have required jail/prison time.

Is any particular penalty mandatory, or is it entirely up to the judge at sentencing?

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

PainterofCrap posted:

Can someone clarify for me what the penalties are for this election funds-fraud case? There's 30+ counts to it. I've heard that each count brings a fine; also heard that each may have required jail/prison time.

Is any particular penalty mandatory, or is it entirely up to the judge at sentencing?

Anything from a fine and probation up to 120 years in prison. Since it’s his first conviction and it’s a class E felony (the lowest class of felony in NY) I think jail is extremely unlikely.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Noted brain genius Michael Cohen was on Tiktok live last night wearing a T-shirt with a caracature of Trump in jail on it. You know, as a smart witness does.

Dude was a loving lawyer. He should know better.

Jesus Cohen, just stop.

While I do want Trump nailed up for his intimidation, I'm of the opinion that if the witness is publicly poking at him then it isn't a violation of the gag order to yell back. I think one of the violations of the first round of contempt hearings was dropped for that fact too.

Caros
May 14, 2008

You know, i never followed the Daniels stuff in any detail, but reading the discussion of what appears to have happened is... Ugh.

I am friends with a bunch of sex worked and always just (incorrectly) assumed that it was an escorting situation. But this is pretty clearly just sexual assault. It is Weinstein poo poo and I'm honestly baffled that there aren't more (by which I mean hundreds) of credible allegations. Because this screams 'I am comfortable intimidating women into sex'

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Caros posted:

You know, i never followed the Daniels stuff in any detail, but reading the discussion of what appears to have happened is... Ugh.

I am friends with a bunch of sex worked and always just (incorrectly) assumed that it was an escorting situation. But this is pretty clearly just sexual assault. It is Weinstein poo poo and I'm honestly baffled that there aren't more (by which I mean hundreds) of credible allegations. Because this screams 'I am comfortable intimidating women into sex'

When the next witness, Karen Mcdougal, originally spoke out, many of her details about being intimidated into sex are similar.

red19fire
May 26, 2010

Glenn Howerton did an interview where he said Dennis Reynolds is trump without money and now I’m thinking about the boat episode.

‘She’s just going up to a billionaire’s hotel room for dinner because he cares about his wife and doesn’t want to be seen in public with a porn star. There’s a bodyguard outside, but she’s not in any real danger. She’s free to leave of course, but she won’t; because of the implication.’

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Caros posted:

You know, i never followed the Daniels stuff in any detail, but reading the discussion of what appears to have happened is... Ugh.

I am friends with a bunch of sex worked and always just (incorrectly) assumed that it was an escorting situation. But this is pretty clearly just sexual assault. It is Weinstein poo poo and I'm honestly baffled that there aren't more (by which I mean hundreds) of credible allegations. Because this screams 'I am comfortable intimidating women into sex'

Yeah… about that.

quote:

At least 26 women accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct, including assault, since the 1970s.

A deluge of women made their accusations public following the October 2016 publication of the "Access Hollywood" tape, in which Trump was heard boasting about grabbing women's genitals in 2005. Some of Trump's accusers made their stories public months before the tape's release, and still others came forward in the months following.

Most are terrified to come forward or just don’t want to relive it in a public spectacle, but dozens came out after the Access Hollywood tape. It’s predictably gone nowhere, as the vast majority of these things do but after seeing Jean Carroll actually succeed some are taking another shot.

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.

Oracle posted:

Yeah… about that.

Most are terrified to come forward or just don’t want to relive it in a public spectacle, but dozens came out after the Access Hollywood tape. It’s predictably gone nowhere, as the vast majority of these things do but after seeing Jean Carroll actually succeed some are taking another shot.

I was listening to Behind the Bastards about Weinstein last week and they talked about Lisa Bloom who was hired by Weinstein in a PR move at one point, she claims to have not known about his assault accusations when she took the job.

But she represented three of the women who accused Bill O'Reilly of sexual harassment, and she also was talking about accusers of Trump back in 2016:

quote:

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

During the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Bloom offered to represent four women who alleged sexual misconduct by then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. Two of these women came forward publicly with their allegations, including Jill Harth and Lisa Boyne,[21][22] and two who did not, including a woman from Virginia[23] and another woman who claimed Trump had raped her when she was thirteen years old.[24]

On November 2, 2016, Bloom canceled a press conference with the unnamed client, saying the client was scared because of death threats.[24]

Which just makes me wonder how an unnamed accuser gets death threats unless the accused knows enough based off the age given who to threaten, which would mean something likely DID happen and there's truth in the accusation if they make this kind of move to silence it? :tinfoil:

But the other options are "the accuser was lying" or "the representative was making the accuser up" and I think people make that leap much easier than otherwise.

Trump and other creeps love to follow the playbook of "they shouldn't hide if they have something so damning to say about me" as if we don't have hundreds of examples of accusers being disbelieved and massively harrased in the name of politics?

And all so Trump can just be a huge prick and say things like he never met you and you're too ugly for him to sexually assault? Like I'm going to blame anyone for being scared of that spotlight lol

So idk, what am I, an easily convinced Rube? Fed up with how women are treated when they come forward? Those aren't mutually exclusive, I guess.

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

Tenkaris posted:

Trump and other creeps love to follow the playbook of "they shouldn't hide if they have something so damning to say about me" as if we don't have hundreds of examples of accusers being disbelieved and massively harrased in the name of politics?
Also his fans on his behalf:
These women shouldn't have any reason to hide if they really believed it happened
I will threaten to murder these women once I get names
No I do not see why this might discourage someone from coming forth

If that sounds like the racist playbook, yes.
These minorities have nothing to fear from the police if they are innocent
I will support the police murdering the innocent
No I do not see why this instills fear in anyone

Edit: as for the above thirteen year-old business, I really think people like Trump do it less for being actually attracted to the kid and more for the rush of having the power to do one of the things you're really not supposed to be able to get away with.

The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 21:11 on May 9, 2024

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
If only he could testify in court or something as a response.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1788669030015893721

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Is it just me, or what was the defenses goal with Stormy? Did they actually think she was going to break down crying with of the aggressive questioning?

As far as I can tell, she held her ground.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Gucci Loafers posted:

Is it just me, or what was the defenses goal with Stormy? Did they actually think she was going to break down crying with of the aggressive questioning?

As far as I can tell, she held her ground.

If they were looking for a weak woman, the porn industry is not where they would try to find one. She's been through all kinds of hell.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Gucci Loafers posted:

Is it just me, or what was the defenses goal with Stormy? Did they actually think she was going to break down crying with of the aggressive questioning?

As far as I can tell, she held her ground.

Trump is insisting that she's a liar and the encounter never happened, so the defense was trying to pick apart every little inconsistency in her story over time to imply that she'd made it up. The defense was dutifully following their client's orders.

Of course, whether or not she's lying is completely irrelevant to the case. It's about falsified business records, not Stormy Daniels.

Crows Turn Off
Jan 7, 2008


mdemone posted:

If they were looking for a weak woman, the porn industry is not where they would try to find one. She's been through all kinds of hell.
She had sex with Trump. She's already been thru the worst of it.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Gucci Loafers posted:

Is it just me, or what was the defenses goal with Stormy? Did they actually think she was going to break down crying with of the aggressive questioning?

As far as I can tell, she held her ground.

Try to get her to say Trump raped her and file for mistrial or because she talked about something that was not allowed and use that as the basis for a mistrial? Except that the judge isn't a loving moron and saw right through that?

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


Deteriorata posted:

Trump is insisting that she's a liar and the encounter never happened, so the defense was trying to pick apart every little inconsistency in her story over time to imply that she'd made it up. The defense was dutifully following their client's orders.

Of course, whether or not she's lying is completely irrelevant to the case. It's about falsified business records, not Stormy Daniels.

Best part is because he's insisting a part of his defense be that she's lying it was allowed testimony for her to go into "some" detail about it all to the jury.

Trump: "She's lying!"
Stormy: "Lemme prove it real quick"
Trump: "Wait......poo poo"

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.
That's the best (or worst) thing about Trump, honestly. It doesn't matter how far down the line he is, he still wants to just give a blanket denial that anything ever happened. Like he's at a hearing to determine how much they are going to fine him, and he's still insisting he be able to claim it never happened even though that's two trials ago you dumb gently caress, that's not up for argument at all!

Idk what makes him think anything will improve for him if he is allowed to lie in court, like how does he think anyone will believe him? Not only that, jurors are instructed to determine the credibility of the person speaking and can disregard anything you say once they're convinced you've lied in testimony.

It's insanely stupid. And because he's white and rich and now a former president of the loving USA, he gets gentle reprimands for this while getting to pry open any small conflict of interest and leverage it, to the point where anyone involved in prosecuting him is held to an insane standard of behavior.

Fani Willis' office romance was poorly timed but hardly anything to do with the trial, and yet it has thrown this massive wrench into the process. But Trump is a perpetual fart machine and everyone just has to smell it.

This is why I wish he could actually end up in prison, because it just seems impossible in the world we live in today. What I would give to see that image, ugh. I'd know anything is possible.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


mdemone posted:

If they were looking for a weak woman, the porn industry is not where they would try to find one. She's been through all kinds of hell.

Deteriorata posted:

Trump is insisting that she's a liar and the encounter never happened, so the defense was trying to pick apart every little inconsistency in her story over time to imply that she'd made it up. The defense was dutifully following their client's orders.

Of course, whether or not she's lying is completely irrelevant to the case. It's about falsified business records, not Stormy Daniels.

That makes more sense but to me I feel like that whole approach was just... really bad but I guess when the guy paying you is Trump you don't have a much of a choice.

I can't imagine any of the jury felt that circus helped Trump's position, she looks way, way more credible than he does.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Gucci Loafers posted:

I can't imagine any of the jury felt that circus helped Trump's position, she looks way, way more credible than he does.

El Chapo is more credible than Trump, but that never stopped our big wet boy from anything


Deteriorata posted:

Of course, whether or not she's lying is completely irrelevant to the case. It's about falsified business records, not Stormy Daniels.

reminds me of

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Caros posted:

Is there even any real value to lose at truth social? I thought most of the costs are just execs. Can't really see them missing debt payments when the majority of their costs are staffing.

90% of silicon valley is companies with zero real value and a pile of venture capital investment just in case they turn out to be the next Paypal. Uber, to use an example, posted its first profitable year in 2023. It was founded in 2009.

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Trump truly believes he’s so important and well regarded that if he just says it, and enough people hear it, they’ll all totally believe it. Like he’s incapable of believing that anyone would think him a liar. That’s why he just constantly insists the same repetitive poo poo every day. It’s end stage narcissism.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001


One of the greatest moments in sports history

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

mdemone posted:

One of the greatest moments in sports history

before or after the mashup of Donald Sterling voice clips with Master Shake? That other en-scandaled Donald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUcRUbZbas

DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


It's so telling that this isn't bigger news:
Trump promised to scrap climate laws if US oil bosses donated $1bn

quote:

Trump promised to 20 executives at Mar-a-Lago dinner to increase oil drilling and reverse pollution rules among other pitches

Donald Trump dangled a brazen “deal” in front of some of the top US oil bosses last month, proposing that they give him $1bn for his White House re-election campaign and vowing that once back in office he would instantly tear up Joe Biden’s environmental regulations and prevent any new ones, according to a bombshell new report.

According to the Washington Post, the former US president made his jaw-dropping pitch, which the paper described as “remarkably blunt and transactional”, at a dinner at his Mar-a-Lago home and club.

In front of more than 20 executives, including from Chevron, Exxon and Occidental Petroleum, he promised to increase oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, remove hurdles to drilling in the Alaskan Arctic, and reverse new rules designed to cut car pollution. He would also overturn the Biden administration’s decision in January to pause new natural gas export permits which have been denounced as “climate bombs”.

“You’ll get it on the first day,” Trump said, according to the Post, citing an unnamed dinner attendee.

Trump’s exhortation to the oil executives that they were wealthy enough to pour $1bn into his campaign war-chest, at the same time pledging a U-turn on Biden’s efforts to combat the climate crisis, was immediately denounced on Wednesday by environmental groups.

“$1bn for Trump, a devastating climate future for the rest of us,” said Pete Maysmith of the League of Conservation Voters (LCV).

Christina Polizzi of Climate Power told the Guardian that Trump was “putting the future of the planet up for sale”.

“He is in the pocket of big oil – he gave them $25bn in tax breaks in his first term – and now it’s clear he is willing to do whatever big oil wants in a potential second term.”

The former president’s exchange with fossil fuel giants also engaged the concern of groups monitoring the influence of money in politics. Jordan Libowitz of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (Crew), a non-partisan government watchdog, said the conversation, as reported by the Post, “certainly looks a lot like quid pro quo”.

Libowitz said the encounter was “about as blatant as I’ve ever seen. Politicians often give a nudge and a wink, they don’t say raise a billion dollars for me and I’ll get rid of the regulations that you want.”

He added that Crew’s legal team were looking into whether this rises to the high legal standard of bribery.

Trump’s close relations to the oil industry, and his hostility to federal regulations designed to reduce emissions that exacerbate the climate crisis, are well-known and longstanding. With six months to go until the presidential election, however, he is stepping up his efforts to attract campaign donations from the sector.

Trump is also performing strongly in the polls. Having all but certainly secured the Republican nomination, Trump is often narrowly ahead of Joe Biden in surveys of the presidential race, including performing strongly in the key swing states that are vital to any candidate’s chances of victory. Trump’s solid performance comes despite a swath of legal woes, including currently being on trial in New York over an alleged hush-money payment to the adult film star Stormy Daniels.

For their part, executives in big oil companies have been preparing for a possible Trump second term by drafting executive orders designed to be ready to sign as soon as he returns to office. Politico reported this week that the executives have clubbed together to produce off-the-shelf policies on increasing natural gas exports, supercharging drilling and extending offshore oil leases.

The interplay between Trump and the oil giants as the election approaches underlines the vast gulf between the former president and the current occupant of the White House. According to an analysis by a group of environmental groups including the Sierra Club and LCV, the Biden administration has taken more than 300 actions towards greater public health and clean energy, more than any other administration in US history.

Those measures included the first major climate legislation, the Inflation Reduction Act, which has propelled record investment in clean energy including solar and wind and increased sales of electric vehicles. US energy emissions are slowly declining, by some 3% this year.

Even so, the US is extracting more oil and gas than ever, reaching almost 13m barrels of crude oil a day – more than double the production levels a decade ago.
This is such an extremely blatant and explicit bribery/corruption/quid pro quo thing, and it isn't top news or anywhere near it, just another small unimportant news report among many others...

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

fool of sound posted:

Nah they’re just fascists and don’t care. Evangelicals have been reactionaries playacting at religious revival for a century and a half
Timeline is off there
19th century Evangelicals were all in on postmillenial theology which is why they supported the reform movements of the days. In contrast most modern Evangelicals are premillenialists who think nothing can be done to improve the world.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
He crimes faster than the news cycle can keep up.

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Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

DTurtle posted:

It's so telling that this isn't bigger news:
Trump promised to scrap climate laws if US oil bosses donated $1bn

This is such an extremely blatant and explicit bribery/corruption/quid pro quo thing, and it isn't top news or anywhere near it, just another small unimportant news report among many others...

It's because democrats and Republicans have been doing it for decades already. They just aren't so incredibly stupid about it. There's no way he can be prosecuted for such an obvious crime where the evidence is right there because it'd spoil the game for the rest of the uniparty.

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