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punishedkissinger posted:I think raising the blood pressure of people like this is good, even if it's not a huge material shift in policy. It's darkly amusing that Biden basically imploding his 18-35 support to give Israel basically everything it wanted bought him ZERO slack from the warmongers.  Not that I believe he will stop the weapons supply in any real way. The IDF has been preparing for this for weeks and likely has all the material it needs. And "major" ivasion can be construed in a lot of ways.
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The weapons will be delivered when Netanyahu explains that it was not an invasion, but a skirmish or sortie.
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The weapon delivery kerfuffle just seems like misdirection to me. The real headline should be that for three days no humanitarian aid of any kind has entered Gaza. They don't need bombs if they can simply strangle the entire population.
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The weapon delivery thing is also kinda silly, because I'd imagine Israel have stockpiles of all this stuff, and America will just refill those after they're done murdering a bunch of folk.
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fatelvis posted:The weapon delivery thing is also kinda silly, because I'd imagine Israel have stockpiles of all this stuff, and America will just refill those after they're done murdering a bunch of folk. You would think that, but those stockpiles have been getting depleted because they've been using them. Supposedly, they were getting into stockpiles that the US sold to them after the Vietnam War and finding out they dudded out and Hamas was repurposing them as IEDs against Israeli invasion. They were so exhausted they were using 50 year old explosives and in such quantities that they gave their enemies a reliable logistics chain.
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Young Freud posted:You would think that, but those stockpiles have been getting depleted because they've been using them. Supposedly, they were getting into stockpiles that the US sold to them after the Vietnam War and finding out they dudded out and Hamas was repurposing them as IEDs against Israeli invasion. They were so exhausted they were using 50 year old explosives and in such quantities that they gave their enemies a reliable logistics chain. Is there a source for this?
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Paladinus posted:Is there a source for this? You'll have to connect the dots but basically: 1) Hamas has been using materials from unexploded ordnance 2) Something like >10% of Israel's ordnance doesn't explode 3) Israel has been using Vietnam-era stockpiles https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html <-- has all claims but not spelled out in "Israel is desperate for munitions to the extent that it's using old stuff that doesn't explode and therefore lets Hamas get material" sense.
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Paladinus posted:Is there a source for this? https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-gaza-faulty-indiscriminate-lethal-vietnam-era-bombs https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/israel-palestine-gaza-strip-unexploded-bombs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_84_bomb
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The article doesn't list the lack of the more modern bombs as the reason, so I am not entirely convinced Israel is about to run out of ammunition.quote:Why use MK-84s? The article also says MK-84s are still manufactured, so it's hard to tell if they are new or from really old stockpiles. E: Took a minute to get that NYT article. It also doesn't say there's a deficit of bombs, and Israel, in fact, was dumping older bombs from day one just because they have them. There seemingly was no gradual phasing in of increasingly old and unreliable bombs. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 13:15 on May 10, 2024 |
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Does Israel have a large domestic industry on this stuff? Even with sizable stockpiles going in, after months of war those become near depleted without constant infusions (we somewhat see this with the war in Ukraine, where even the manufacturing capacity can have trouble keeping up with how quickly munitions are being spent).
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Young Freud posted:You would think that, but those stockpiles have been getting depleted because they've been using them. Supposedly, they were getting into stockpiles that the US sold to them after the Vietnam War and finding out they dudded out and Hamas was repurposing them as IEDs against Israeli invasion. They were so exhausted they were using 50 year old explosives and in such quantities that they gave their enemies a reliable logistics chain. IDF is saying they have enough to attack Rafah https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1788622538517442661 quote:Responding to a question at a press conference, IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military has enough munitions for the missions it has planned, after US President Joe Biden threatened that some arms shipments would be frozen if Israel launches a planned offensive in southern Gaza's Rafah.
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Piell posted:IDF is saying they have enough to attack Rafah I don't think they need a large stockpile of 2,000lb bombs to attack a concentration camp personally. Rifles and bayonets would probably be sufficient.
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In outside of Gaza news, Zionist mobs have attacked the UNRWA compound in East Jerusalem, causing it to be shut down: https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1788643951945150790?t=8zQWQ9YZzqTF1NE1BTsUog&s=19 Seems like they're being emboldened by the United States' abandonment of the mission
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rscott posted:In outside of Gaza news, Zionist mobs have attacked the UNRWA compound in East Jerusalem, causing it to be shut down: I'm failing to see the link between Biden withholding some munitions and an Israeli mob attacking the UNRWA, an organization that the Israeli government has equated with Hamas for months, if not years.
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It's a shame that Biden only recently gained the power to restrict arms shipments to Israel. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Neon Belly posted:Does Israel have a large domestic industry on this stuff? Even with sizable stockpiles going in, after months of war those become near depleted without constant infusions (we somewhat see this with the war in Ukraine, where even the manufacturing capacity can have trouble keeping up with how quickly munitions are being spent). Brasil has suspended the purchase of israeli artillery and ammunitions yesterday. https://operamundi.uol.com.br/guerr...etivos-sociais/ I think it's safe to say Israel has a decent-sized arms industry and supply, but not enough to fully cover their big operations plus international sales for an extended period.
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punishedkissinger posted:I'm failing to see the link between Biden withholding some munitions and an Israeli mob attacking the UNRWA, an organization that the Israeli government has equated with Hamas for months, if not years. I think the OP is talking about the US abandonment of UNRWA.
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PostNouveau posted:I think the OP is talking about the US abandonment of UNRWA. Ahhhh that makes sense
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Halloween Jack posted:It's a shame that Biden only recently gained the power to restrict arms shipments to Israel. Is anyone saying this, or are you making up someone to be mad at?
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Is anyone saying this, or are you making up someone to be mad at? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Is anyone saying this, or are you making up someone to be mad at? They appear to be commenting on observable reality.
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Some good-ish news for once https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1788954527393042717 Piell fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 10, 2024 |
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Sadly, none of the articles I found (or the UN news website) have an actual list of who voted no or abstained. I'd have been interested to see the lists.
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projecthalaxy posted:Sadly, none of the articles I found (or the UN news website) have an actual list of who voted no or abstained. I'd have been interested to see the lists. Aljazeera story has this tweet https://twitter.com/Raminho/status/1788956393438859580  are craven American toadies as usual.
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projecthalaxy posted:Sadly, none of the articles I found (or the UN news website) have an actual list of who voted no or abstained. I'd have been interested to see the lists. You can see it in the screenshot Nos were Argentina Czechia Hungary Israel Micronesia Nauru Palau Papua New Guinea United States Abstains were basically almost all of Europe, Ukraine and Canada though Greece, France and Belgium voted yes.
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Zore posted:You can see it in the screenshot Surprisingly decent support in Western Europe. Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway and Luxembourg voted yes in addition to France and Belgium that you noted above.
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run on sentience posted:US finds Israel’s use of weapons in Gaza ‘inconsistent’ with human rights law, but will not cut flow of arms Because we know what the alternative is.
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DynamicSloth posted:Aljazeera story has this tweet Joly tweeted that they are completely for it, but at the right time and the right way. Pathetic of course.
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Skex posted:Because we know what the alternative is. It's one thing to vote for the lesser evil and another to outright support him and deny his involvement in war crimes.
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run on sentience posted:It's one thing to vote for the lesser evil and another to outright support him and deny his involvement in war crimes. Who's denying his involvement in war crimes? I'm really not sure who you're being mad at here. Piell posted:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/10/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas-rafah#biden-israel-us-weapons-gaza Wouldn't be surprised if the delay was internal fights about how to create this dumb wiggle room. I'd like it if it was about *whether* to create the wiggle room but there's no evidence on the deliberations yet.
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Goatse James Bond posted:Who's denying his involvement in war crimes? I'm really not sure who you're being mad at here. I'm not mad at anyone, I was clarifying my original statement, since it seemed Skex thought I was talking about lesser evil voters, when I was referring to those who actually support Biden. I haven't seen any posts like that itt since the thread was closed and reopened. Edit: vvv My definition of supporting Biden doesn't matter and is irrelevant. I'm not American but if I were it would be a very difficult decision for me whether to vote for him or not. If you are keen to debate that, feel free to read the electoralism thread where they have been writing novels on that very subject for multiple pages. run on sentience fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 11, 2024 |
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