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Kild posted:the retconning that how goku does UI isn't real despite all the angels and gods standing up in awe after he transforms is just dumb This, but also it's the sad fate for every standout transformation in dragon ball to eventually become passe and just a stepping stone to something bigger
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May 10, 2024 18:10
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No Dignity posted:This, but also it's the sad fate for every standout transformation in dragon ball to eventually become passe and just a stepping stone to something bigger I'd like the idea of refinement for a form to come back, its sorta the thing with UI, but Goku/Gohan mastering base SS is a concept that has seemingly just been forgotten. The idea that finding new power is in mastering your techniques not in finding new ones was more in line with the martial arts story dragonball used to be. I don't want to say it's lost it's way, but I think coming back to that concept would be good for the franchise.
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May 10, 2024 19:05
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I guess they kind of tried it with ultra instinct (forma de bardock) was a attempt at that but stripping out everything visually and thematically unique about the technique was a terrible way to go about it
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May 10, 2024 19:22
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The Notorious ZSB posted:but Goku/Gohan mastering base SS is a concept that has seemingly just been forgotten. This reminds me of something I always found kinda funny in the Cell Saga. Goku/Gohan master the SS1 form (and in doing so become way stronger than Vegeta/Trunks) by just keeping SS up constantly, leave the time chamber, and just don't tell Vegeta/Trunks about this extremely simple One Weird Trick before they go back in for more training. Kinda a dick move on Goku's part! I could see Vegeta rejecting the advice due to his pride, but not Trunks.
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May 10, 2024 19:38
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Trunks had his own dumbass idea he was working on
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May 10, 2024 19:54
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checksin posted:Trunks had his own dumbass idea he was working on I kind of like how the throughline of the Cell Saga is "what comes after Super Saiyan?" Vegeta and Goku's opposite philosophies lead to them making their own evolution of the technique. Trunks' desperate need for his father's approval and fixation on raw, efficient strength leads to him further evolving it into a useless mess. And Gohan is the one who finally perfects it, going back to the form's roots
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May 10, 2024 20:52
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The Bee posted:I kind of like how the throughline of the Cell Saga is "what comes after Super Saiyan?" Vegeta and Goku's opposite philosophies lead to them making their own evolution of the technique. Trunks' desperate need for his father's approval and fixation on raw, efficient strength leads to him further evolving it into a useless mess. And Gohan is the one who finally perfects it, going back to the form's roots Goku is the one who comes up with the idea of staying in SSJ1 constantly to perfect it though, IIRC. I don't think there's ever much of an explanation for Gohan being the one to go SSJ2 beyond just the "Gohan is exceptionally talented" stuff.
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May 11, 2024 08:11
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Ytlaya posted:Goku is the one who comes up with the idea of staying in SSJ1 constantly to perfect it though, IIRC. The explanation is very simple: Gohan did not go Super Saiyan 2 at the time the chapter was published. The idea of Super Saiyan 2 wasn't really a "thing" until later. At the point Gohan transformed, it as simply Gohan exhibiting his true, heretofore untapped strength. Guidebooks tended to refer to it as "Super Saiyan Fifth Grade" (First was basic, Second was Super Vegeta, Third was Big Trunks, and Fourth was what Goku and Gohan did) until the Buu Saga, when Goku explicitly shows it off and refers to it as "Ascended Saiyan" and "Super Saiyan 2" before reaching Super Saiyan 3. Long story short, Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 was a retcon, and he was just supposed to be releasing all his power and rage at once.
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May 11, 2024 09:43
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I liked when Roshi got close to ultra instinct. Roshi being relevant in ToP ruled.
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May 11, 2024 10:24
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PringleCreamEgg posted:I liked when Roshi got close to ultra instinct. Roshi being relevant in ToP ruled. This is one of my fav DB moments, period, and I am nourished by the cries of powerscaling nerds whining about how it shouldn't be allowed/make sense.
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May 11, 2024 10:51
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Ytlaya posted:This reminds me of something I always found kinda funny in the Cell Saga. Goku/Gohan master the SS1 form (and in doing so become way stronger than Vegeta/Trunks) by just keeping SS up constantly, leave the time chamber, and just don't tell Vegeta/Trunks about this extremely simple One Weird Trick before they go back in for more training. Maybe he thought they'd develop their own things. Also Vegeta explained to Trunks their forms when they went out of the chamber, it didn't seem to grab either of their imaginations.
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May 11, 2024 14:05
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Ytlaya posted:This reminds me of something I always found kinda funny in the Cell Saga. Goku/Gohan master the SS1 form (and in doing so become way stronger than Vegeta/Trunks) by just keeping SS up constantly, leave the time chamber, and just don't tell Vegeta/Trunks about this extremely simple One Weird Trick before they go back in for more training. mmkay posted:Maybe he thought they'd develop their own things. Also Vegeta explained to Trunks their forms when they went out of the chamber, it didn't seem to grab either of their imaginations. when they come out, Tien I believe is the first to note that they've been just super chill in their SSJ form and Trunks wonders if they're going to power up to something even bigger. Vegeta instantly insults him and explains straight away that they're doing it to master the power-up without wasting any time or energy on the transformation itself and he admits there's a certain cleverness with it Goku probably didn't say anything because Vegeta would have gotten the idea straight away, and Vegeta and Trunks not following suit could have been a time and/or skill issue
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May 11, 2024 16:13
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Kurui Reiten posted:The explanation is very simple: Gohan did not go Super Saiyan 2 at the time the chapter was published. The idea of Super Saiyan 2 wasn't really a "thing" until later. At the point Gohan transformed, it as simply Gohan exhibiting his true, heretofore untapped strength. Exactly my thought! I don't really liiiike? the Grade Four framing because Goku and Vegeta were doing two different things. Vegeta tried squeezing as much raw power out of the form as possible, while Goku tried to keep it same as is but make staying in it second nature. They were two evolutionary branches, but that's a different ramble. Point is, Super Saiyan 2 wasn't 2 until Buu. Before then, it was Gohan being the one to crest that next horizon Vegeta and Trunks couldn't reach, to burst pasr the power Goku and he now treated as second nature. It was a form he reached at the end of his development, just as Goku reached the first at the end of his Z arc, reconciliations of who they are (a man from Earth who loves his friends and a gentle-hearted scholar who hates fighting) with the dark potential that dwells beneath (a Saiyan and a berserker warrior). By the end of each fight, fueled by a moment of grief that forces the two sides to collide, they answer the questions of who they are and who they must be, reconcile the two, and reach a natural end to their chardev. As an aside, this is why I feel like Super Saiyan 3 should've been Vegeta's form. Every other Super Saiyan form was a big, impactful cap to a character arc, a transformation not just as a fightman but as a person. And a form that decimates your energy reserves would be perfect for a certain someone's suicidal charge.
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May 11, 2024 17:35
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Good soup! posted:when they come out, Tien I believe is the first to note that they've been just super chill in their SSJ form and Trunks wonders if they're going to power up to something even bigger. Vegeta instantly insults him and explains straight away that they're doing it to master the power-up without wasting any time or energy on the transformation itself and he admits there's a certain cleverness with it For who Vegeta was at the time, it was 100% an issue of "loving Goku, I'm better than him, I don't need his little trick, my idea is inherently better and I will NOT validate him by copying him! I AM VEGETA, PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS!". After which he could barely hold his own against Cell's toddlers and watched his son get killed right in front of him.
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May 11, 2024 17:35
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Kurui Reiten posted:For who Vegeta was at the time, it was 100% an issue of "loving Goku, I'm better than him, I don't need his little trick, my idea is inherently better and I will NOT validate him by copying him! I AM VEGETA, PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS!". After which he could barely hold his own against Cell's toddlers and watched his son get killed right in front of him. Oh, absolutely. Goku's a martial artist, Vegeta's a warrior, and Trunks is a guy who knows life is kill or be killed. This informs their decisions as to the forms they adopt perfectly.
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May 11, 2024 17:42
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Kurui Reiten posted:For who Vegeta was at the time, it was 100% an issue of "loving
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May 11, 2024 18:02
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gently caress, good catch, I need to turn in my fan card
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May 11, 2024 21:17
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To be fair to Vegeta everyone, Kakarot included, was getting stomped by the Cell Jrs.
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May 11, 2024 21:47
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Trunks going back and mastering Super Saiyan 2 makes a lot of sense, too. He needs someone to show him what's possible, so I doubt he's gonna make any new forms, but he's a quick learner of what he's able to do. It's nifty.
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May 12, 2024 00:39
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Shinjobi posted:Trunks going back and mastering Super Saiyan 2 makes a lot of sense, too. He needs someone to show him what's possible, so I doubt he's gonna make any new forms, but he's a quick learner of what he's able to do. It's nifty. It does help that it was effectively his mentor showing it off so extra motivation to learn what would be the last lesson he could ever learn from him.
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May 12, 2024 00:53
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Kurui Reiten posted:The explanation is very simple: Gohan did not go Super Saiyan 2 at the time the chapter was published. The idea of Super Saiyan 2 wasn't really a "thing" until later. At the point Gohan transformed, it as simply Gohan exhibiting his true, heretofore untapped strength. This actually explains a lot, since I remember thinking the visual distinction with SSJ2 was weirdly subtle. Like you just get some electric poo poo with your aura and your face/hair become a bit more...angular. Funky Valentine posted:To be fair to Vegeta everyone, Kakarot included, was getting stomped by the Cell Jrs. I wasn't getting stomped by them.
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May 12, 2024 07:35
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Vegeta was not doing that bad at the time
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May 12, 2024 16:23
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Stairmaster posted:Vegeta was not doing that bad at the time Him and Trunks were the only two not to be taken apart by them, Piccolo put up the best fight out of the non saiyans but even he went down before long.
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May 13, 2024 06:42
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Judge Tesla posted:Him and Trunks were the only two not to be taken apart by them, Piccolo put up the best fight out of the non saiyans but even he went down before long. Hey now, don't do green dad like that. Piccolo, Trunks and Vegeta were all up and fighting (if beaten up). The only ones flattened were the humans (and tienshinhan) and goku because he didn't think to take a senzu.
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May 13, 2024 18:22
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Shinjobi posted:Trunks going back and mastering Super Saiyan 2 makes a lot of sense, too. He needs someone to show him what's possible, so I doubt he's gonna make any new forms, but he's a quick learner of what he's able to do. It's nifty. Trunks pulled out both Rage and spontaneously learned how to Spirit Bomb so he's got that for him.
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May 13, 2024 19:07
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Almost curous why Trunks never took on his dad's "IM THE PRINCE OF ALL SAYIANS" i mean Vegeta has been defacto the king since at least Goku offed Freiza. Kid Trunks cares a lot about perception and such for his burgeoning Mai romance, so uhh why not lean into royalty my man?
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May 13, 2024 20:10
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My head canon; while the position is functionally hereditary, the Saiyans still customarily expect the new monarch to defeat the previous one in combat before they can rightfully be called the ruler. Vegeta's desire to become immortal to defeat Frieza and his subsequently continued rivalry with Goku are rooted in this.
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May 13, 2024 20:16
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Almost curous why Trunks never took on his dad's "IM THE PRINCE OF ALL SAYIANS" i mean Vegeta has been defacto the king since at least Goku offed Freiza. Because his Mom’s basically Queen of Earth, which is a title that matters way more than Prince of the Parking Lot
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May 13, 2024 20:27
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Almost curous why Trunks never took on his dad's "IM THE PRINCE OF ALL SAYIANS" i mean Vegeta has been defacto the king since at least Goku offed Freiza. because he’s grown up as an earth kid who just so happens to have super strength and “all saiyans” is like 5 people.
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May 13, 2024 20:33
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Almost curous why Trunks never took on his dad's "IM THE PRINCE OF ALL SAYIANS" i mean Vegeta has been defacto the king since at least Goku offed Freiza. Vegeta is veerrrrry touchy about being the Prince of All Saiyans, which is why he hasn't ever actually acknowledged he is technically the King of All Saiyans instead. Bulma asked him about it once and he locked himself in his room and cried about how nobody could replace Daddy, it was really awkward.
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May 13, 2024 20:38
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ImpAtom posted:Vegeta is veerrrrry touchy about being the Prince of All Saiyans, which is why he hasn't ever actually acknowledged he is technically the King of All Saiyans instead. 
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May 13, 2024 20:46
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All of those things can be true, and I still think it would be a great gag in line with the spirit of Dragonball. bleck with the best serious answer to my very unserious question, love it.
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May 13, 2024 20:48
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put it in da goddang louvre
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May 13, 2024 21:17
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I like TFS's take on that in the Broly movie, when Vegeta finally realized he was the king and that fact instantly went to his idiot head. His hubris grew three sizes after hearing that single phrase.
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May 13, 2024 22:13
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It works like an HRE prince, he's not King Vegeta until he's elected
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May 14, 2024 02:43
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New Sparking Zero update: Returning characters: -Kid Trunks --SS -Goten --SS -Gotenks (SS) (likely can be fused from Goten and Trunks as in earlier games) New characters: -Caulifla --SS2 -Kale --SS2 -Kefla (SS2) (likely can be fused from Caulifla and Kale) Kale's Berserk Super Saiyan form was shown in an earlier update, and there's no reason to believe Base Gotenks, SS3 Gotenks, Base Kefla, and the SS1 versions of all three new Saiyans won't be in the game too. It also confirms the 5v5 mode is back, now we need one more Trunks and I can make my dream come true.
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May 16, 2024 18:56
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I never realized how sad it is we never got to see Caulifla hang out with Trunks and Goten. Poor Cabba, nobody loves him. Maybe he and Tarble need to start a club.
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May 16, 2024 19:06
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ImpAtom posted:I never realized how sad it is we never got to see Caulifla hang out with Trunks and Goten. I think Cabba's definitely getting in, he's just less interesting to show than Caulifla and Kale I guess.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I think Cabba's definitely getting in, he's just less interesting to show than Caulifla and Kale I guess. Oh, I'm sure he is, I'm just saying. Nobody loves him.
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