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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

GreenNight posted:

Not Dead Yet was also canceled. While not great I will miss this show. It was a super breezy comedy.

Yeah it was really mid but pleasant enough to be a nice watch when new eps popped up. Feels like a show that mightve aired 10 years ago.

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demostars
Apr 8, 2020
If any Toronto goons in here liked Nirvanna the Band the Show, Matt Johnson is looking for extras for their shoot for the movie on the 14th: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/extras-tickets-902508155187

Figured someone in here would appreciate the information and might show up to be a part of it!

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I'm watching Expats starring nicole kidman and it feels like one of those shows that want to be called prestige so badly and it's actually succeeding at it. You got exotic filming locale, hollywood stars, and a depressing subject. I'm a sucker for this stuff and I love when a mere TV show looks this good.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
I gave hacks season three another try and then watched two episodes, it’s great.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

muscles like this! posted:

Despite everyone saying it was a one and done the money must have been too much as Hiroyuki Sanada has signed a deal to do Shogun season 2.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1789014763487572106

Anything to justify the cost of the sets, costumes, props etc.

I was kind of hoping for some sort of anthology based on the Asian Saga, with the same actors portraying similar characters throughout the franchise.

The real question is do they even have scripts yet and what are they planning? The book ends like 1 year after Blackthorn's arrival, but the real person William Adams spent the rest of his life in Japan and was a major figure in the historical record alongside Tokugawa. It's not like they can't easily build on that its going to depend who they get as a showrunner/writer.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

pentyne posted:

I was kind of hoping for some sort of anthology based on the Asian Saga, with the same actors portraying similar characters throughout the franchise.

I mean to be fair, much of the Asian saga is set in Hong Kong with predominantly Chinese and British characters, so the vast majority of the actors wouldn't have been able to return. Unless they jumped straight to Gaijin or even King Rat.

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time
They could do a prequel season from a few years prior when the previous taiko tried to take over Korea. I'm sure that would go over well, lol.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
They could just do the same thing Clavell did, continue the story based on real events.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Cojawfee posted:

They could just do the same thing Clavell did, continue the story based on real events.

That's what most people are expecting, I think, for the story to mirror the real world Tokugawa taking control of Japan, eventually killing the heir and his mother, expelling the Catholics from Japan and basically locking down Japan for the next 250 years. But having that history to work from is something a little different from adapting a book which is full of characters, events, internal monologues etc even if all those things from the book had the skeletal structure of that same history to work from.

I will hold out high hopes though, they did such a great job of this first season and if they are going to do more, it's a great team to be working with.

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

bull3964 posted:

Ding ding ding.

The shows are

1) Too Expensive
2) Too Many

This all got flipped on its head when studios became vertically integrated distributors of their own content. At that point, things changed from selling shows to using shows to sell the service. That pushed them to out-compete and out-produce rivals which resulted in massive overreach in content production. It's all about chasing the new. The new thing will bring someone into the service that's not already subscribed. Everyone adopted the Netflix model while still trying to be a traditional business with shareholders that require growth every quarter and other business divisions that don't like having their financials be dragged down by losses.

While all this was happening, the growth of social media, the internet, and short form video meant it was easier than ever for advertisers to do low budget hyper-focused ad campaigns. Why spend millions of dollars with an ad company to try to find out what will catch the attention of 12-14 year old girls and then figure out where to place the ad spots and buy them when they can just strike a few grand deal with someone that does kids toy unboxing videos on YouTube to promote their thing and reach the audience directly with a simple script?

To be clear, the ad apocalypse was coming regardless. The writing was on the wall long before the rise of the streaming factions. The proliferation of content coming out of the 90s and into the early 2000s divided eyeballs too much and devalued ads. This is the reason for the rise in carriage agreement disputes and bundling channels when it comes to cable companies. They were trying to offset the ad revenue drops by getting more direct payment. That was then taken to its full extreme by introducing all the streaming services. Then social media and short form video arrived on the scene and stole even more eyeballs.

At this point, the only real long term solution is massive contraction, but capitalism won't allow that. Number must go up every quarter. The lack of proper social safety nets including lack of universal healthcare means a contractions would also be devastating to those in the industry that aren't multi-million and billionaires. So, we're going to see increasing enshtiification to try to squeeze every penny out of the consumer until we have multiple uncontrolled collapses after the consumer refuses to bear the cost anymore.

I think on the movie side, "The Fall Guy" is a great example of the bloat. You have a movie that cost as much to make as Mad Max: Fury Road, but it's a summer action rom com. This is something that would have been about $20 million to make in the early to mid 90s which adjusted for inflation would be about $50 million today. This it cost nearly 3 times that and then they are bemoaning that it only made $27 million in its opening weekend. It may be a perfectly fine movie, reviews seem to support that, but it's not something that's going to make back a $130 million budget easily in today's market and they should have known that going in. "The Lost City" is a similar type of movie and had HALF the budget and went on to make $190 million which would be barely (or possibly not) enough to break even for "The Fall Guy" after marketing budget.

Same thing with Dwayne Johnson and Chris Evan's Christmas action comedy movie which has seen its budget bloat to 250 million dollars, or the cost of one and a half Dunes.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

That's what most people are expecting, I think, for the story to mirror the real world Tokugawa taking control of Japan, eventually killing the heir and his mother, expelling the Catholics from Japan and basically locking down Japan for the next 250 years. But having that history to work from is something a little different from adapting a book which is full of characters, events, internal monologues etc even if all those things from the book had the skeletal structure of that same history to work from.

I will hold out high hopes though, they did such a great job of this first season and if they are going to do more, it's a great team to be working with.

I don't hold out high hopes because getting a quick turn around without a supporting spine of an existing novel (which took several years to write) isn't going to result in anything high quality.

It's going to be GoT all over again.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
There’s also the fact that a very large portion of the miniseries’ characters were dead by the finale and those performances were a huge reason why the show became so acclaimed and beloved (and memed!) in the first place. How do you even do a Shōgun season 2 without Mariko, Yabushige, half the antagonists, etc?

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Everybody’s in L.A. was so good, that last episode was wild. I’m gonna miss it

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

1glitch0 posted:

Same thing with Dwayne Johnson and Chris Evan's Christmas action comedy movie which has seen its budget bloat to 250 million dollars, or the cost of one and a half Dunes.

How much of that was spent paying the crew who were waiting for Johnson to show up for filming?

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler
Constellation was in space for maybe 20 minutes. I guess they spent way too much on that ISS set/CGI and had to film the rest of the episodes in a cabin with what was left.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Big Mean Jerk posted:

There’s also the fact that a very large portion of the miniseries’ characters were dead by the finale and those performances were a huge reason why the show became so acclaimed and beloved (and memed!) in the first place. How do you even do a Shōgun season 2 without Mariko, Yabushige, half the antagonists, etc?

Just do it the Star Wars way.

"Somehow, Mariko has returned!"

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Big Mean Jerk posted:

There’s also the fact that a very large portion of the miniseries’ characters were dead by the finale and those performances were a huge reason why the show became so acclaimed and beloved (and memed!) in the first place. How do you even do a Shōgun season 2 without Mariko, Yabushige, half the antagonists, etc?

Yeah, no Yabu's a huge bummer

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Caught up with Sugar. I really like this show but lol, and lmao. Still, its been consistent and entertaining PI stuff throughout and no doubt its going to wrap up much better than Monsieur Spade.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Escobarbarian posted:

Everybody’s in L.A. was so good, that last episode was wild. I’m gonna miss it

I only caught one live but it was hilarious. Gotta watch the rest.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

CeeJee posted:

Constellation was in space for maybe 20 minutes. I guess they spent way too much on that ISS set/CGI and had to film the rest of the episodes in a cabin with what was left.

Constellation thought its audience was loving dumb as hell and played out a mystery we all worked out in episode 1 over 7 more episodes

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



feedmyleg posted:

I'd be okay with Scavengers Reign being cancelled as long as the same team stuck together and went on to do something else. The first season's story was nicely self-contained and the universe-opening tease at the end was cool and enigmatic enough that my imagination can run with it, but not inherently compelling enough that I'm mad I don't get to see what the deal with it is.
Just because a show does a decent job of keeping self-contained seasons doesn't excuse the idea that it's "OK" cancelling the show. If anything, I'd say the opposite. Too much television is procedural now, anything with contained seasons needs to be celebrated and blown up. Unless you're True Detective. I don't just want to see more by this team, I want to see more of this universe by this team. I want to see more weird rear end aliens doing weird rear end things that make no sense and I want to see this team do it. I really do not want this show to be a one-off.

Maybe I'm too jaded of a Star Trek fan to let good sci-fi just get scattered to the solar wind like this.

DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:14 on May 12, 2024

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

CeeJee posted:

How much of that was spent paying the crew who were waiting for Johnson to show up for filming?

That and fresh piss bottles.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Watching the season premiere of Interview with the Vampire and had a laugh at the theatrical notice of the Claudia recasting.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

muscles like this! posted:

Watching the season premiere of Interview with the Vampire and had a laugh at the theatrical notice of the Claudia recasting.

Why'd they recast.


I also watched 8 episodes of Shogun this weekend, which I knew would happen when I started, and started re-reading Shogun, which I also knew would happen, and I don't have anything interesting to say about it except all the hype and praise is warranted. One complaint, and this isn't unique to the show, but blue contacts never work on dark colored eyes. They always look fake and they always distract me. Just make him brown-eyed, or if it's that important to you, cast someone with blue eyes.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


zoux posted:

Why'd they recast.


They've never said. Most likely is that season 2 filmed in Prague which might not have worked with Bailey Bass's schedule.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
I watched Interview with the Vampire s1 and have some kind of memory of enjoying it but I also actually can’t remember a single goddamn thing about it other than there was an interview with a vampire who was Grey Worm

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Escobarbarian posted:

I watched Interview with the Vampire s1 and have some kind of memory of enjoying it but I also actually can’t remember a single goddamn thing about it other than there was an interview with a vampire who was Grey Worm

Show did a solid recap, I reckon, for everything in the past. Solid choice to do a standalone character ep.

The framing device, on the other hand? I only vaguely remember the history between the characters and the show seems to expect me to remember the ins and outs of their relationship.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/TheSimpsons/status/1789816702869348687

Yes this is a parody of that one meme song from 9 months ago that was popular for like a week. Jesus Christ.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
It is hilarious that, because of joke the guy was doing with the various videos, they had to pay the one woman to sing the song and the other woman for her likeness.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/TheSimpsons/status/1789816702869348687

Yes this is a parody of that one meme song from 9 months ago that was popular for like a week. Jesus Christ.

I remain unaware of the original song and I did not enjoy this reddit post about tipping sung by the Simpsons. Is the original video even relevant at all besides a song structure hey could reuse?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It is not.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Based on that clip, new Simpsons might be why some people think AI could replace writers.

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/TheSimpsons/status/1789816702869348687

Yes this is a parody of that one meme song from 9 months ago that was popular for like a week. Jesus Christ.

Is that really them doing the voices?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

IRQ posted:

Based on that clip, new Simpsons might be why some people think AI could replace writers.

I know that the only thing the people making the simpsons care about is getting money but it's loving wild that the show is still rolling on when the voice actors can't even do the voices now

J33uk
Oct 24, 2005

EricBauman posted:

Is that really them doing the voices?

Listening to Julie Kavner these days is really hard. I check in on their Halloween episodes every so often and it just makes me feel sad.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Ok having finished it I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to a well written, high quality historical drama based on the continuing adventures of the Tokugawa Shogunate, I mean the history is already written.

Just me or does Cosmo Jarvis have serious Tom Hardy energy

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Cosmo Jarvis will never not sound like someone’s weird porn star alias to me

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012

zoux posted:

Ok having finished it I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to a well written, high quality historical drama based on the continuing adventures of the Tokugawa Shogunate, I mean the history is already written.

Just me or does Cosmo Jarvis have serious Tom Hardy energy

More like temu Hardy.

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG

J33uk posted:

Listening to Julie Kavner these days is really hard. I check in on their Halloween episodes every so often and it just makes me feel sad.

I meant the singers from the video, but also yes, the Simpsons voice actors sound like their best days are VERY far behind them

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Stegosnaurlax
Apr 30, 2023
Beacon 23 this week, the young actress has an accent that smash cuts between Manchester and Toronto constantly.

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