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Nitrousoxide posted:I mean, he's kinda iffy on his credibility. He's been fairly recently convicted of perjury to congress, which is something they can bring up on cross to impeach his character even if those lies are entirely unrelated to this instant case. wasn't he convicted for lying to protect trump? cover up some ties to russia? "This man can't be trusted because he lied to Congress to protect my client!" might not go well. But I'm no fancy legal person, maybe that particular detail would be barred from the record for some reason.
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Accipiter posted:I love how they pretend they don't understand how courts work. The point of him saying that is to undermine the legitimacy of this particular case. Like "they are ignoring all the procedures to push this through!" I mean, it's a lie, but the thrust of it is that the courts are not working properly. And you, the viewer, should be mad at that.
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Xaiter posted:wasn't he convicted for lying to protect trump? cover up some ties to russia?
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May 15, 2024 08:03
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Related news: ‘Judge Judy’ Sheindlin sues for defamation over National Enquirer, InTouch Weekly stories quote:“Judge Judy” Sheindlin sued the parent company of the National Enquirer and InTouch Weekly on Monday for a story that she said falsely claimed that she was trying to help the Menendez brothers get a retrial after they were convicted of murdering their parents. I guess admitting under oath that your paper makes poo poo up has consequences.
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May 15, 2024 12:42
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Deteriorata posted:Related news: I hope more people start suing news organizations who can't be arsed to do even basic fact-checking. "Leans one direction politically" is fine. Expressing political opinions is extra fine. Making poo poo up is not fine.
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May 15, 2024 12:55
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Ynglaur posted:I hope more people start suing news organizations who can't be arsed to do even basic fact-checking. "Leans one direction politically" is fine. Expressing political opinions is extra fine. Making poo poo up is not fine. Fox News successfully fought in court for the right to be labeled "entertainment" so they wouldn't fall subject to such lawsuits
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May 15, 2024 13:06
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mdemone posted:Fox News successfully fought in court for the right to be labeled "entertainment" so they wouldn't fall subject to such lawsuits I know, amd they should have been forced to change their name at the least.
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May 15, 2024 13:07
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DTurtle posted:The prosecution went into all of this stuff quite deeply. The explanation was indeed that he wanted to protect Trump and be seen to protect Trump. They also brought up tweets by Trump that could and were interpreted as admonishments to stay loyal. The jury now knows all about that stuff and the defense will have to try some other things in order to undermine his believability. If I was on defense counsel I'd argue that his perjury conviction is proof that he's untrustworthy and would be willing to lie for the State in testimony just as well if he thought it would benefit him via immunity to claims or an early release or whatever. There's a lot of ways you can reframe it to not just being a loyal guy turning on Trump into a more self-interested reason.
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mdemone posted:Fox News successfully fought in court for the right to be labeled "entertainment" so they wouldn't fall subject to such lawsuits and blocked from Canadian TV on that basis at one point
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May 15, 2024 13:23
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Tucker Carlson has straight up said “when I am cornered in an argument I lie” and no one cared so the distinction between journalism and entertainment is meaningless in todays world
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Nitrousoxide posted:If I was on defense counsel I'd argue that his perjury conviction is proof that he's untrustworthy and would be willing to lie for the State in testimony just as well if he thought it would benefit him via immunity to claims or an early release or whatever. There's a lot of ways you can reframe it to not just being a loyal guy turning on Trump into a more self-interested reason. I'm not saying it is foolproof, but again, it seems like the prosecution (and Michael Cohen) really did a fantastic job with his time on the stand so far. It now remains to be seen what the defense comes up with for Thursday.
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Apparently nothing, word is they'll rest without calling witnesses so it'll go to closing arguments after that I think.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Tucker Carlson has straight up said “when I am cornered in an argument I lie” and no one cared so the distinction between journalism and entertainment is meaningless in todays world It has become so, but it needn't be so.
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El Spamo posted:Apparently nothing, word is they'll rest without calling witnesses so it'll go to closing arguments after that I think. Weird, Trump was in his little bullpen saying he’d testify just last week. Almost as if he’s a gutless coward when it’s time to put up or shut up.
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May 15, 2024 16:49
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Trump Layer has spent all time trying to pin Cohen as a meanie lying liar and hasn't gotten to the key question of "did Trump know this is an illegal use of funds" bold strategy
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Trump Layer has spent all time trying to pin Cohen as a meanie lying liar and hasn't gotten to the key question of "did Trump know this is an illegal use of funds" That does make sense. Cohen is a pretty slimy guy so why not try and point out, oh the prosecution is using a pretty slimy witness. Defense would have a pretty hard time showing trump as innocent, so seems easier to just try and show the prosecutions case isn't as strong as it's trying to say, so there's reasonable doubt.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Trump Layer has spent all time trying to pin Cohen as a meanie lying liar and hasn't gotten to the key question of "did Trump know this is an illegal use of funds"
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red19fire posted:Weird, Trump was in his little bullpen saying he’d testify just last week. Almost as if he’s a gutless coward when it’s time to put up or shut up. 85-95% of any Defense for Trump has been and will always be convincing him not to take the stand.
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When Trump took the stand in the E Jean Carrol case wasn’t he so hard to control that they asked 3 questions?
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Blind Rasputin posted:When Trump took the stand in the E Jean Carrol case wasn’t he so hard to control that they asked 3 questions? yeah and they had to hash out exactly what they would ask and what they could not ask, because Engoron was convinced it would be a shitshow, which it was
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"And thereafter, you called me a real bitch baby loser, a buffoonish stack of clowns in an idiot suit?" "Yeah sounds right." "That I look like I just poo poo my pants and that those turds were the closest thing to a brain I had left?" "Them's my words." "Your honour no further questions."
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Salon says that the judge may hold a contempt hearing over Trump giving everyone cues on what to say outside the courtroom. Sadly it doesnt really give any evidence to prove it. https://www.salon.com/2024/05/15/legal-expert-may-hold-contempt-hearing-over-surrogates-circumventing-gag-order/ "On Monday, New York Magazine's Andrew Rice told MSNBC he witnessed the defendant in the courtroom appearing to edit the statements that his self-declared surrogates would go on to say. “I was sitting close enough that I could actually look over Trump’s shoulder and see what he was reading,” Rice recounted. As Michael Cohen testified, Trump was “going through and annotating and editing the quotes that these people were going to say," Rice said." Also after leaving New Jersey and landing in Florida, Trumps Boeing clipped an unoccupied plane. No statement on damage though. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wing-trumps-plane-hit-corporate-jet-west-palm-beach-airport-source-says-2024-05-14/
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It has never seen that other plane before in its life. The other plane is probably a loser. Might have gotten them jet fuel one time on the tarmac.
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mdemone posted:Fox News successfully fought in court for the right to be labeled "entertainment" so they wouldn't fall subject to such lawsuits Didn't they lose, or were clearly going to lose a defamation lawsuit regarding Dominion Voting machines?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Didn't they lose, or were clearly going to lose a defamation lawsuit regarding Dominion Voting machines? They settled the case for just shy of eight hundred million dollars, which does not suggest their case was going particularly well.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:They settled the case for just shy of eight hundred million dollars, which does not suggest their case was going particularly well. Tucker was mysteriously let go right after.
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Dirk the Average posted:I would argue that if they read a prepared statement from Trump that was provided to them by Trump and evidence shows that that was Trump's statement verbatim, then Trump might get in trouble for violating the gag order. But the evidence would need to be ironclad. OgNar posted:Salon says that the judge may hold a contempt hearing over Trump giving everyone cues on what to say outside the courtroom. Fuckinh lmao
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If I'm Merchan, I'm swearing the reporter in and asking him about it, and then I'm gonna go absolutely hog fuckin wild
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Why are so many people lining up to swear loyalty to this loving idiot?
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BiggerBoat posted:Why are so many people lining up to swear loyalty to this loving idiot? And be absolutely 100% upfront about it no less OgNar posted:
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BiggerBoat posted:Why are so many people lining up to swear loyalty to this loving idiot? Politicians do it because he has a stranglehold on primary/borderline violent voters that will hound them until they leave office and probably a bit after. People with money do it because the average Trump voter is dumb and willing to give up money for all things Trump. The clown timeline.
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BiggerBoat posted:Why are so many people lining up to swear loyalty to this loving idiot? They think if he wins, they get to be the new American aristocracy in the post-democratic United States.
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mdemone posted:If I'm Merchan, I'm swearing the reporter in and asking him about it, and then I'm gonna go absolutely hog fuckin wild I suppose Merchan can order Trumps doodle pads handed over? A bigger step would be to subpoena one of the speakers (or the speaker as it were) to appear in court to answer questions and hand over any documents received from Trump or his team? Seems like a lot.
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Angry_Ed posted:And be absolutely 100% upfront about it no less If you get away with it it's not stupid!
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BiggerBoat posted:Why are so many people lining up to swear loyalty to this loving idiot? This is what I don't get. Trump wasn't trying to murder just Pence. He would have been perfectly happy with any members of congress getting killed. That was his best chance of stopping the certification. Doesn't matter how loyal you are to him if your death benefits him, he doesn't care. You would think they could muster up enough spite to cut him loose.
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Lammasu posted:This is what I don't get. Trump wasn't trying to murder just Pence. He would have been perfectly happy with any members of congress getting killed. That was his best chance of stopping the certification. Doesn't matter how loyal you are to him if your death benefits him, he doesn't care. You would think they could muster up enough spite to cut him loose. they want to be one of the ones allowed to keep their necks when he wins in november
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Tatsuta Age posted:they want to be one of the ones allowed to keep their necks when he wins in november Although that's no guarantee either. Help him or hurt him, Trump will roll over anyone who happens to be in the way of... whatever it is he thinks he's doing. If you hurt him, he'll probably take revenge. If you help him, he won't remember your name or face and will just steamroll you anyway. It's incredible that his supporters still don't see that. He doesn't even know who they are, and doesn't care.
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Simplex posted:I'm not following it closely, but "the guy who was supposed to advise Trump this was illegal is a slimeball with active contempt for Trump" is probably a viable defense to create reasonable doubt. The problem was that it ended up just being established that he was a slimeball whose lying was for the purposes of helping Trump, in order to do the crimes that Trump is accused of ordering him to do. And not only did he testify that he was a slimeball in that way, but they have documented proof that he was a slimeball lying to protect Trump. In other words, it didn't help the defense at all.
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I’m very curious to see how cross goes tomorrow. You have to assume Blanche spent all day with the team trying to figure out how to adjust his questioning or, potentially, working with one of the other defense attorneys to prep them to take over. If they blow it though and really aren’t calling any defense witnesses this could get interesting pretty quick.
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Lammasu posted:This is what I don't get. Trump wasn't trying to murder just Pence. He would have been perfectly happy with any members of congress getting killed. That was his best chance of stopping the certification. Doesn't matter how loyal you are to him if your death benefits him, he doesn't care. You would think they could muster up enough spite to cut him loose. all of these people, in one way or another, are planning on ruling in the ashes of what comes after because they're so very special. except for trump, who simply thinks things will always stay the same because he does not have the capacity to understand time in that way.
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