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If she's an adult, cool, fine, two consenting adults are allowed to have a relationship. If she's still under 18... WHAT THE gently caress, TOM? LITERALLY "NO, SHE CAME ONTO ME FIRST, OFFICER" VIBES GOING ON RIGHT NOW. Pull up, Gunnerkrigg, Pull up! Seriously, what the gently caress, Tom? Can you introduce characters that DON'T want to immediately bang each other or die right away?
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Yeah, she's not a child, she's just younger than he is.
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May 15, 2024 13:51
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It's not that this is inherently weird, it's just part of a penchant for romances involving a sad old dude and a daughter-aged girl that keeps coming up. It was unnotable when it was kids with crushes on Eglamore, it was cute when it was whatserface working for Atra, it got weird when it started being Ysengrin and/or Loup, and this is just slotting into a pattern no one has ever really known how to interpret.
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May 15, 2024 14:18
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:that's not even "3000 year old demon", that's "i watched the VHS tapes your mom took of you as a kid so it's like I've known you since you were a kid" That's what's so interesting about this variation tbh: not only is she younger than he is but from a certain POV, the story is almost framing it as if she was effectively grooming him (by following his life from childhood, "all I had to do was wait," etc). Like okay, we don't really know how old she is but lol this is not the first time this comic has done some supernatural age gap poo poo, huh? It's definitely a preoccupation of the author.
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May 15, 2024 14:25
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Bonster posted:Yeah, she's not a child, she's just younger than he is. If you remove the sepiatone she's drawn in the same way as her last chapter's appearance, where she was blending in with a bunch of mid-to-late-teen-appearing numen. Maybe taking this chapter in isolation it's "more ambiguous" about her actual age and there's obviously stylistic wiggle room (although I feel like historically, a lot of people who are adult-coded get the anime shorthand of crow's feet if they're on screen long enough to have a close up), but in context of everything prior it's "I am raising an eyebrow at this" at minimum, assuming this keeps going in this direction like it has every other time
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May 15, 2024 15:44
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:how old is Omega supposed to be though? I thought she was a grown woman I don't think she's a kid or anything, but I honestly wouldn't have pegged her as being much different in age from this guy until he pointed it out. And I dunno, maybe he's still not THAT much older than her, but... Well, given the track record here, I'm a bit wary, to say the least. I really hope it doesn't get super weird. I'll leave it at that though because people got real mad at me last time I pointed out the weird sex stuff in this thread. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 15, 2024 |
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May 15, 2024 15:47
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I really do want to give him the benefit of doubt here, because when he does closeups of her face, she does look older and tired. We don't know their actual ages, just that he's older than her, so she could be in her 20's or 30's and just aged gracefully other than the massive bags under her eyes.
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May 15, 2024 15:55
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Rotten Red Rod posted:so uh
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May 15, 2024 16:05
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Splicer posted:"It's paternal affection" I sob, brokenly. Earmarking this for the title in a week once we get 3 comics of additional info/timeskip and they're married
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May 15, 2024 16:08
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uuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhh
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May 15, 2024 16:15
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Yeah, really wish their current ages had been established. This is really ambiguously stated, and we don't know what he thinks her powers are. Does he think she can look into everything from the moment she could form memories? Because that kinda implies a potential 15+ year difference (Her at 3 - 5 years old, him at 20 coming to the court) with us not knowing her age. Edit: He says "youth", not "child", which is why I went with 20. Edit 2: I am also trying to give the benefit of the doubt. I thought of her as at least in her mid-to-late 20s, but found the phrasing on this page weird. catapede fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 15, 2024 |
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May 15, 2024 17:26
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You can trash this comic without being stupid about it
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May 15, 2024 17:32
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So I kind of suspect this is the result of really going through the question "what if someone could actually know EVERYTHING" and following the different paths to their logical extremes. The first thought when examining that question is the obvious stuff like "oh you'd know various big details like what the weather is in Dubai right now" or whatever, but then you think about it more and you get stuff like a few pages ago with "oh she knows extremely minor and private details about an old man's childhood, she knows EVERYTHING" - so following through that line of thinking, it's easy to see how you could land on "Well she knows every person as deeply as anyone possibly could, she can know exactly who would be perfect for her." But also yeah, comic has a weird history of this sorta stuff. Also now that I'm writing this out, you'd think that having so much info would cause her worldview and personality to be incredibly foreign and alien to us (why would she even need romance if she can tell exactly where every possible relationship would go? Wouldn't her maturity level be unfathomable since she has the collective knowledge of every relationship through all of human history?) but I'm willing to shrug that off for the sake of storytelling.
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This definitely does feel like the comic going “actually, while younger and physically weak and reliant on him, Omega is the one in control of this relationship” which isn’t like, evil… but it’s a dynamic that keeps happening in various forms as has been noted. It’s a repeating motif and it’s an uncomfortable one especially in other cases, so the motif makes this page weird. Plus honestly on its own this would be weird, it’s like the Eglamore and Jones relationship but with new twists and flips. E: And in general the comic simply doesn’t seem to consider these things uncomfortable in the same way I would - one assumes Eglamore and Jones is meant to be deeply uncanny and uncomfortable but at this point it seems like it’s an accepted and maybe even valorized emotional status quo. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 15, 2024 |
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I keep waffling about this every time the topic comes up, because it's an uncomfortable pattern that doesn't seem to really land firmly on creepy territory, just sort of getting close, but the author used to post some skeevy stuff on 4chan too involving young girls. Nothing explicit, but uncomfortable kind of sexual jokes that I keep hoping were just internet edgelord humor he has long outgrown. They were posted around the same time we had those uncomfortable jokes with Reynardine as a plushie creeping on the young girls in the webcomic, and we haven't had anything like that since. Edit: I wasn't on 4chan, I only found out because I was trying to find old gunnerkrigg art on tumblr and came across a blog that showed the evidence. isasphere fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 15, 2024 |
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May 15, 2024 19:00
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I was reading Omega as being in her 20s or 30s, and that guy as 30s or 40s, but the limited color palette and tight paneling does make it difficult to discern. e- Also she just seems to have Doctor Manhattan levels of a constant awareness of causality, but with the added power of being able to see that anywhere she focused on. So she knew she would meet the guy, she knew his past, present, and future, etc. without actively following him. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 19:24 on May 15, 2024 |
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May 15, 2024 19:19
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gunnercreep court back at it again
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Joe Slowboat posted:E: And in general the comic simply doesn’t seem to consider these things uncomfortable in the same way I would - one assumes Eglamore and Jones is meant to be deeply uncanny and uncomfortable but at this point it seems like it’s an accepted and maybe even valorized emotional status quo. jones’s birth-to-death attachment to her charges was treated as proof of her capacity to feel compassion/“humanity” in spite of her beliefs otherwise, the off-putting implications were never really acknowledged. seems to be the same case here
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Oxxidation posted:jones’s birth-to-death attachment to her charges was treated as proof of her capacity to feel compassion/“humanity” in spite of her beliefs otherwise, the off-putting implications were never really acknowledged. seems to be the same case here Yeah, including what seems to be implied to be a romantic relationship at some points in time; the way she was ‘there for him’ when his other relationships failed is just incredibly creepy to me, since she’s basically serving as a mother figure to transfer romantic attachment to, but this is basically presented as weird but not bad and he’s now moved on to his elf GF, and Jones will wait for that to burn out or Eglamore to die of old age.
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sudden flashbacks to every novel written by and starring a middle-aged man having a relationship with a wild, yet mature-for-her-age teenager (initiated by her, naturally)
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Splicer posted:"It's paternal affection" I sob, brokenly.
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Oxxidation posted:jones’s birth-to-death attachment to her charges was treated as proof of her capacity to feel compassion/“humanity” in spite of her beliefs otherwise, the off-putting implications were never really acknowledged. seems to be the same case here Joe Slowboat posted:Yeah, including what seems to be implied to be a romantic relationship at some points in time; the way she was ‘there for him’ when his other relationships failed is just incredibly creepy to me, since she’s basically serving as a mother figure to transfer romantic attachment to, but this is basically presented as weird but not bad and he’s now moved on to his elf GF, and Jones will wait for that to burn out or Eglamore to die of old age. Really the only overtly creepy part was that one page where Jones was being affectionate with James and he looked uncomfortable, and then... Well, it was never really mentioned again. Was that all that was intended? Was it a dropped plotline? If so, given the context, it might have been similar to the Annie/Ysengrin relationship, i.e. a parental relationship that took a weird turn towards romantic overtones. I'm glad it was dropped if so, but still, in retrospect... Yikes?
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Gunnerkrigg Drop? Usagi Court? Oh wait I guess no one's adopted anyone else yet huh Seriously, what's with this drat comic man lol
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out of context it's kinda sus but okay in context this is like the third time this motif popped up and it's uh
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on the bright side, tom could make a killing in niche porn when the comic ends
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Splicer posted:"It's paternal affection" I sob, brokenly. 
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At least no age gap kissing and loving right? Right?
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Haven't thought about Jones in a while. I wonder where they are
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Annointed posted:At least no age gap kissing and loving right? Right? Where do you think Zimmy comes from if not these two kissing and loving (directly or indirectly)
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freelop posted:Haven't thought about
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Captain Oblivious posted:Where do you think Zimmy comes from if not these two kissing and loving (directly or indirectly) At this point, Zimmy could be revealed to be Omega's great-great-grandmother dropped into modern times as a teenager due to Kat's loving with the timeline and I wouldn't bat an eye. The bar is so low now, I'm just hoping Omega is an adult at this point.
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I was expecting something very different based on these reactions.
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Hypocrisy posted:I was expecting something very different based on these reactions. Honestly same, I was three pages behind, but it's still pretty funny that it KEEPS HAPPENING
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Probably cus this chapter was mostly good so far, but after the last few
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVrvDL48fkw
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Splicer posted:"It's paternal affection" I sob, brokenly.
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GunnerJ posted:I, too, am at the bargaining phase. Evergreen post
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rudecyrus posted:sudden flashbacks to every novel written by and starring a middle-aged man having a relationship with a wild, yet mature-for-her-age teenager (initiated by her, naturally) Somewhere in Florida, Piers Anthony opens a Word document and begins another.
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Ok i did not envision her being the one pushing the bounds of science and decency in favor of more power. thats legit a novel surprise and a pleasant one.
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