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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://x.com/jdcmedlock/status/1791127553245380840

Western "socialists" who are really just chauvinists seethe with rage and retreat further into denial as China continues to win.

lol first link i got after googling

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/reshoring-from-china-to-mexico-how-prevalent-is-it-really/

quote:

Cost of operations

Currently, the average industrial power rate in China is around US$0.084/kWh – somewhere in the middle when compared to the rest of the world. The average industrial power rate in Mexico range from US$0.09/kWh to US$0.11/kWh, slightly higher than that of China.

While it’s hard to get specific statistics, other utility rates, such as gas and industrial lease rates in Mexico, are considered substantially lower than that of China.

One potential draw for companies to reshore to Mexico is the lower cost of operations in the country. China’s success in growing its economy over the past few decades has resulted in rising wages over the past decade. Average minimum wages in China, which vary from region to region, are now higher than in Mexico.

Data from Statista also shows that hourly wage for manufacturing workers has been consistently higher in China than in Mexico, and has increased at a faster rate. The hourly wage for manufacturing workers in China was estimated to be at US$6.5 in 2020, a growth rate of over 12 percent from 2019. The hourly wage for manufacturing workers in Mexico, meanwhile, was estimated at US$4.82, a growth rate of just over 3 percent from a year prior.


Another consideration is the cost and time of shipping. Thanks to its proximity to the US, it is cheaper and faster to ship goods from Mexico than China. This is even more true in the post-COVID era, as the impact of the pandemic is still felt in the form of sky-high shipping costs.

Reasons companies choose to stay in China

Despite Mexico now offering lower manufacturing costs than China, there are other considerations when choosing which country to locate factories in – and whether to relocate. China has many other things to offer that make it attractive to companies, despite the higher shipping and labor costs.

These advantages include China’s robust manufacturing expertise, infrastructure, and well-developed upstream and downstream supply chains. China is the only country that possesses all the industrial categories in the United Nations industrial classification, which allows firms to source goods easily. The China labor market, in addition to being the largest in the world, is also increasingly skilled, holding advantages in expertise and efficiency over lower-cost emerging markets.

Stronger high-tech capabilities, such as digitization, automation, and data analytics, are also reasons that companies choose China over other countries, as they help to further improve production efficiency and can be conducive to developing more innovative business models. Sophisticated logistics and transport infrastructure – including the world’s largest network of high-speed rail and expressways in terms of mileage – allows products to be transported efficiently.


Another important factor to consider is that many companies do not produce goods in China exclusively to export to other markets. On the contrary, some companies – notably Tesla – set up factories in China specifically to sell to Chinese consumers. China is increasingly becoming a target consumer market for the goods produced by foreign companies within its borders, and China’s vast consumer base provides a strong incentive for manufacturers to be based in the country.

China’s consumer market is considerably larger than Mexico’s, both by the sheer number of consumers and by spending power. China is the world’s second largest retail market and is likely to be the first in the near future with China’s rising purchasing power, expanding middle class. With a population of 1.4 billion versus Mexico’s 130 million, China provides a huge potential consumer base for any company looking to enter the market. GDP per capita is also higher in China, reaching US$12,551 to Mexico’s US$10,066 in 2021.

The growth rate of China’s economy has also far outpaced that of Mexico. Whereas China’s economy has grown at an average annual rate of almost 7 percent since 2011, whereas Mexico’s has grown at an average rate of 2 percent since 1993.

how the gently caress are these people still stuck in 1990s tropes of sweatshop labor in tyool 2024 lmao

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Danann posted:

lol first link i got after googling

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/reshoring-from-china-to-mexico-how-prevalent-is-it-really/

how the gently caress are these people still stuck in 1990s tropes of sweatshop labor in tyool 2024 lmao

history ended

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

All those cities are empty, silly China building empty cities

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
i heard empty chinese cities in the wild somewhat recently

its like "you know people live there now, right?"

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

What's everyone's favorite insane lie about China. Personally, mine is the idea that it's illegal to put time travel in Chinese fiction. Something very easily disproven with a second of googling, yet it somehow pops up every now and then.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921043353190433?t=zKUFVD9I5gd994CmeCiLDQ&s=19

Did uhhhhh did this happen in 2020? Weren't people dropping like flies of covid at the time

lmao

https://x.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921048428274003

also, yeah people were dancing in the streets the saturday after the election when PA was called for Biden.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

The Leck posted:

We all laughed at the time, but now who's laughing??



is that the "what set you run with, homie" chick?

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://x.com/jdcmedlock/status/1791127553245380840

Western "socialists" who are really just chauvinists seethe with rage and retreat further into denial as China continues to win.

"Tax enthusiast. Hyperinflation doubter. Soc dem in the streets, market socialist in the sheets. 🧦🏗️"

Is being a market socialist like being a anarcho-capitalist?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Willa Rogers posted:

is that the "what set you run with, homie" chick?

yup

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921043353190433?t=zKUFVD9I5gd994CmeCiLDQ&s=19

Did uhhhhh did this happen in 2020? Weren't people dropping like flies of covid at the time



Willa Rogers posted:

lmao

https://x.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921048428274003

also, yeah people were dancing in the streets the saturday after the election when PA was called for Biden.

St. Elsewhere snowglobe dot gof

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Man, MSNBC really hosed up some brains huh.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Srice posted:

What's everyone's favorite insane lie about China. Personally, mine is the idea that it's illegal to put time travel in Chinese fiction. Something very easily disproven with a second of googling, yet it somehow pops up every now and then.

All of the "China doesn't let you show zombies because it is too spooky". Liberals would be all over it if you sold them on "content laws that make sure fundamentalist Christians can no longer spread harmful superstitions and beliefs in media".

The time travel poo poo is good too because they would love it if they understood it's more like "you can't have time travel where you go back and hell yeah the Confederacy wins and modern liberalism can go suck it"

Gumball Gumption has issued a correction as of 15:22 on May 17, 2024

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

is pepsi ok posted:

Man, MSNBC really hosed up some brains huh.

i get the way people talk about Fox News now because MSNBC has corrupted my Dad's brain

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

i dont see any real difference between msnbc or fox

completely insane

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

my bony fealty posted:

it did, lots of people partying in the street and playing the gently caress Donald Trump song

amazing how Biden started with so much goodwill and has pissed it all away to become less popular than Trump

Everyone voted against Trump, not for Biden.

People like us on the left kept saying that wasn't enough, but we've been ignored by both Dem leadership and our own supposed representatives for 4 years, and here we are.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

HallelujahLee posted:

i dont see any real difference between msnbc or fox

that's because you are woke

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

that's because you are woke

I’m a woke chud

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

I read somewhere that China's periods attract bears

the bears can smell the menstruation

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

I remembered my favorite china lie. It's the suicide helmets that they give out in the army. They have a big button to make your head explode.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/WfVWovCK-88

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Willa Rogers posted:

lmao

https://x.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921048428274003

also, yeah people were dancing in the streets the saturday after the election when PA was called for Biden.

Maybe the SNL opening right after the election won't be quite as suicidal as the one after Hillary lost, since it's hard for me to imagine that there are that many Biden true believers

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Lib and let die posted:

I was a pretty serious legalization activist in college ~20 years ago, given the state of play at the turn of the century it's insane to hear the president of the United States say things like this. I was always 50/50 on if decriminalization would happen in my life time, now it seems like a certainty. Remarkable.

Even this is only happening because they think they're going to loving lose.

Wow, the left was correct again.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Willa Rogers posted:

lmao

https://x.com/DanielMillerEsq/status/1790921048428274003

also, yeah people were dancing in the streets the saturday after the election when PA was called for Biden.

do these people know that donald trump was not president these last four years?

luv2shit
May 15, 2023

HallelujahLee posted:

I’m a woke chud

beefsteak chud

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

bedpan posted:

do these people know that donald trump was not president these last four years?

no they're completely insane

luv2shit posted:

beefsteak chud

thats right

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

lousy hat posted:

the big accomplishments the dems tout aren’t even “here take these crumbs” more like “imagine the idea that this could possibly lead to crumbs 12 years from now”

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

loquacius posted:

Remarkable that decriminalization might happen within my lifetime, I say as I puff merrily on my legally-purchased vape pen in my blue state while poor people get their cars searched one state over because a cop "smelled weed"

it does fulfill Biden's promise that nothing will fundamentally change. Possession of a schedule III drug is still illegal, you can still go to jail for it and yeah "smelling marijuana" can still be used as a pretext to search or detain someone who is otherwise doing nothing illegal. it's another in a long long list of pointless half measures that only exist so that the democrats can be like "see we did something" while actually doing nothing

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Maed
Aug 23, 2006


Srice posted:

What's everyone's favorite insane lie about China. Personally, mine is the idea that it's illegal to put time travel in Chinese fiction. Something very easily disproven with a second of googling, yet it somehow pops up every now and then.

mine is that chairman xi hates winnie the pooh so much it's banned in the whole country

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://x.com/jdcmedlock/status/1791127553245380840

Western "socialists" who are really just chauvinists seethe with rage and retreat further into denial as China continues to win.

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1791463398070538386

China will grow larger :china:

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

loquacius posted:

Remarkable that decriminalization might happen within my lifetime, I say as I puff merrily on my legally-purchased vape pen in my blue state while poor people get their cars searched one state over because a cop "smelled weed"

Or indeed get killed for that in some blue states!

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


that's cheating

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Maed posted:

mine is that chairman xi hates winnie the pooh so much it's banned in the whole country

lol forgot about that one

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Clip-On Fedora posted:

"Tax enthusiast. Hyperinflation doubter. Soc dem in the streets, market socialist in the sheets. 🧦🏗️"

Is being a market socialist like being a anarcho-capitalist?

It's a Nordic Model socialism for white people thing

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

HallelujahLee posted:

i dont see any real difference between msnbc or fox

completely insane

They serve the same function nowadays, just targeting different respective partisan bases.

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Danann posted:

lol first link i got after googling

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/reshoring-from-china-to-mexico-how-prevalent-is-it-really/

how the gently caress are these people still stuck in 1990s tropes of sweatshop labor in tyool 2024 lmao

they should take a flight over there to see with their eyes.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Srice posted:

What's everyone's favorite insane lie about China. Personally, mine is the idea that it's illegal to put time travel in Chinese fiction. Something very easily disproven with a second of googling, yet it somehow pops up every now and then.

The alleged genocide of millions in Xianjiang that the CPC is apparently just really good at hiding and has not triggered any kind of mass migration from the region whatsoever

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
It's actually insane that weed legalization hasn't happened yet because there is barely any resistance to the idea nowadays. Not even Republicans mount much of a case against it, Biden could do it today with effectively zero backlash

He chooses not to do it because he's a War on Drugs crusader who believes in the long discredited idea that it's a gateway drug

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Maed posted:

mine is that chairman xi hates winnie the pooh so much it's banned in the whole country

lol yeah that's a good one too

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004


You just wait until there's 1 billion Americans like Matty says

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HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

VoicesCanBe posted:

They serve the same function nowadays, just targeting different respective partisan bases.

correct

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