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Mr Teatime posted:Yeah. My wife is a professional illustrator with years of experience and a masters degree in design and illustration and now she has to deal with comments about how so and so part of her work is “sus”. It was sussy ears the other day. Sussy. Ears. People have accused work from like 2017 of being AI gen, people have accused ink work in her sketch book of being AI. This sounds so lovely. I can't imagine how it feels to have something you've devoted your life to devalued by idiots like this, as a different set of idiots try relentlessly to devalue it as a field in a literal, financial sense at the same time. Is she having to screenshot progress on everything she does or something? What can you do if someone throws out a random j'accuse?
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:This sounds so lovely. I can't imagine how it feels to have something you've devoted your life to devalued by idiots like this, as a different set of idiots try relentlessly to devalue it as a field in a literal, financial sense at the same time. Is she having to screenshot progress on everything she does or something? What can you do if someone throws out a random j'accuse? Unfortunately AI art can also poo poo out fake “progress” images to try and trick people. I guess all you can really do is make sure your image includes things like text and hands to completely eliminate all AI accusations
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Gutcruncher posted:Unfortunately AI art can also poo poo out fake “progress” images to try and trick people. Unfortunately AI is good at this now too. This is like DRM and piracy. At some point trying to prevent the piracy just ruins the real thing. No one has a good way to detect AI art just "my eye says something is off" and sometimes someone just made a mistake.
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Gutcruncher posted:Unfortunately AI art can also poo poo out fake “progress” images to try and trick people. Doesn’t save you. You’ll just get accused of drawing over AI. Logic doesn’t factor into it, people will screenshot a perfectly well drawn set of hands and claim they are “obviously” AI and the peanut gallery nods along. Literally anything will get claimed as evidence. The irony is that AI stuff is pretty obvious but there’s a whole lot of people who are anti AI in art but have also completely bought into the hype about what it’s capable of and see it everywhere.
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Google locked everyone into their ecosystem by providing a good search engine and email that didn't suck, maybe they should just try doing that again? Hell, a natural language chatbot interface could even be useful to refine results, that is if Google was actually interested in providing the user with the results they want to see instead of some Pinterest and SEO crap, and if we hadn't hosed the web to hell by putting any remotely useful into video format.
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There was a huge fuss just recently when a bunch of people online accused some DC comicbook artists of using AI art https://x.com/jamesdleech/status/1766874645423120670 https://generativeai.pub/holy-ai-art-batman-dc-artist-caught-redhanded-using-ai-generated-art-in-batman-comic-c0e1aaca6f30 https://bleedingcool.com/comics/accusations-over-dc-comics-artists-using-artificial-intelligence-mount-ai/ There's some pretty good arguments that one artist used AI but it looks like another one was unfairly accused
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Mr Teatime posted:Doesn’t save you. You’ll just get accused of drawing over AI. Logic doesn’t factor into it, people will screenshot a perfectly well drawn set of hands and claim they are “obviously” AI and the peanut gallery nods along. Literally anything will get claimed as evidence. The irony is that AI stuff is pretty obvious but there’s a whole lot of people who are anti AI in art but have also completely bought into the hype about what it’s capable of and see it everywhere. Also reminding me and loling that there is a trend for teachers to require essays to be written in tools with change history and there's still students copying and pasting the whole output in instead of just typing it themself.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was a huge fuss just recently when a bunch of people online accused some DC comicbook artists of using AI art The AI’s goal was to pit us against each other. It has finally succeeded
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Mega Comrade posted:Most products we can't tell how it was produced but it still matters to people, it's why we have things like the rain forest alliance logo on coffee or 'Made in USA' on tshirts. And huge amounts of that stuff is misleadingly labeled, because people like thinking of themselves as the kind of person who buys American or cares about the environment but have no idea how to tell the difference between a shirt woven in Illinois and one 90-100% made in Bangladesh, aren't likely to spend all week researching whether their coffee is really the best one for the environment or the company just paid a nonprofit that uses lots of pictures of trees. As Mr Teatime has been saying, they already can't really tell the difference between AI spam and skilled labor. Branding matters to people, but it's not hard to knock off a brand, and anywhere you're dealing in fungible products consumed by consumers you're gonna need more than that to keep up with the guys making functionally indistinguishable copies of your poo poo cheaper Mr Teatime posted:Doesn’t save you. You’ll just get accused of drawing over AI. Logic doesn’t factor into it, people will screenshot a perfectly well drawn set of hands and claim they are “obviously” AI and the peanut gallery nods along. Literally anything will get claimed as evidence. The irony is that AI stuff is pretty obvious but there’s a whole lot of people who are anti AI in art but have also completely bought into the hype about what it’s capable of and see it everywhere. Wonder what the exact ratio is of witchfinder teenagers who've found a fashionable thing to harass strangers over to ai broskis trying to muddy the waters cause someone said their Midjourney slurry wasn't real art A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 20, 2024 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:And huge amounts of that stuff is misleadingly labeled, because people like thinking of themselves as the kind of person who buys American or cares about the environment but have no idea how to tell the difference between a shirt woven in Illinois and one 90-100% made in Bangladesh, aren't likely to spend all week researching whether their coffee is really the best one for the environment or the company just paid a nonprofit that uses lots of pictures of trees. Branding matters to people, but it's not hard to knock off a brand, and anywhere you're dealing in fungible products consumed by consumers that leaves whatever's cheapest as the deciding factor. And then there's whatever the gently caress this is:  (What if nick land was a sour anime nerd too chicken to do drugs but had just as much condensation) Clarification: Just so there's no confusion I am saying the sentiments in the pic I linked are horrific, and was genuinely disturbed by this, something I haven't felt in awhile. Some pondscum apparently thought the destabilizing effects of AI will help them get their white ethnostate faster with 11 fingered anime porn pictures, or whatever. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 20, 2024 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:And huge amounts of that stuff is misleadingly labeled, because people like thinking of themselves as the kind of person who buys American or cares about the environment but have no idea how to tell the difference between a shirt woven in Illinois and one 90-100% made in Bangladesh, aren't likely to spend all week researching whether their coffee is really the best one for the environment or the company just paid a nonprofit that uses lots of pictures of trees. Branding matters to people, but it's not hard to knock off a brand, and anywhere you're dealing in fungible products consumed by consumers that leaves whatever's cheapest as the deciding factor.  I'm pretty sure this post was written by ai.
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purplestuffedworm posted:Google locked everyone into their ecosystem by providing a good search engine and email that didn't suck, maybe they should just try doing that again? Hell, a natural language chatbot interface could even be useful to refine results, that is if Google was actually interested in providing the user with the results they want to see instead of some Pinterest and SEO crap, and if we hadn't hosed the web to hell by putting any remotely useful into video format. I love googling "how do I [excel thing]" and getting nothing but video links. "What's up, spreadsheeters? It's ya boi the SheetMaster back again with another tutorial video! Make sure to like and subscribe and leave a comment to help the channel grow!" Goddamnit, just tell me how to do [excel thing].
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Serious_Cyclone posted:I love googling "how do I [excel thing]" and getting nothing but video links. "What's up, spreadsheeters? It's ya boi the SheetMaster back again with another tutorial video! Make sure to like and subscribe and leave a comment to help the channel grow!" Goddamnit, just tell me how to do [excel thing]. I just mute stuff most of the time and click ahead until it gets where I want. Seeing all human information being reduced to parasocial nonsense is infuriating.
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Luv 2 comb through an 8 minute video for information that could have been conveyed in a 4 step list
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Ronwayne posted:I just mute stuff most of the time and click ahead until it gets where I want. Seeing all human information being reduced to parasocial nonsense is infuriating. lol trying to find videos of specific guitar models to hear how they sounded sucked so bad, I was genuinely shocked when I found one reviewer who's videos started with like just 5 or so minutes of playing with no talking at all forgot who it was though
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SettingSun posted:Luv 2 comb through an 8 minute video for information that could have been conveyed in a 4 step list Right? I believe that "take a human-readable coding question and provide a coding answer" is one of the things AI is actually good at. If I could google these questions and get an AI-derived code snippet of the proposed answer it would actually add value. Instead I just have to push past 5-10 videos and hope to find the stack overflow thread where someone just provides the 4 step list.
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Honestly for a specific question like “how do I do <thing> in Excel”, chatGPT etc actually works pretty well. Obviously don’t upload your data to it and ask for it to fix the formula, and thoroughly test the output, but overall it seems to write pretty decent excel formulas. Better than watching pointlessly long videos at least.purplestuffedworm posted:Google locked everyone into their ecosystem by providing a good search engine and email that didn't suck, maybe they should just try doing that again? Hell, a natural language chatbot interface could even be useful to refine results, that is if Google was actually interested in providing the user with the results they want to see instead of some Pinterest and SEO crap, and if we hadn't hosed the web to hell by putting any remotely useful into video format. They aren’t interested in that. The current head of search at Google is Prabhakar Raghavan, who was installed there by Sundar Pichai specifically to grow the ad revenue from search. When you have 99% market share it’s difficult to grow, so their strategy was literally “make search worse so people need to do more searches so we can show them more ads”. Also, that guy was head of Yahoo from 2005-2012, which is uh, not exactly a glowing endorsement
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Violated the number 1 rule of stealing things for your model. Just don't ask. Can't prove this voice thing didn't just flop out of the algebra sounding like ScarJo, can't be helped.
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Move fast! Break things! Wahoo!! *deaths due to mushrooms continue to rise* Good news everyone! We have just disrupted Big Mycology! Gutcruncher fucked around with this message at 00:35 on May 21, 2024 |
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An exercise in frustrationquote:There's an anonymous facebook posting that's been making the rounds, in which a studio art director tried to hire AI prompters to make art, only to discover that they were completely unable to carry out minor revision requests. Asked to remove a person from a shot or fix perspective errors, the prompters would return completely different art instead, or with other weird changes that didn't fit the brief. I completely believe that trying to revise AI generated art really is that frustrating.
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Gutcruncher posted:Move fast! Break things! Wahoo!! AI is incapable of discerning "good" and "bad," so "edible" and "deadly" tracks.
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Das Boo posted:AI is incapable of discerning "good" and "bad," so "edible" and "deadly" tracks. Are people much different?
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redshirt posted:Are people much different? Progress is paved in blood. 
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I've actually heard mushroom identification is extra fun because some incredibly deadly mushrooms look identical to safe ones, and it differs depending on where in the world you are. People from Europe or Asia sometimes end up in the hospital after going mushrooming in America following the knowledge that was valid where they came from.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I've actually heard mushroom identification is extra fun because some incredibly deadly mushrooms look identical to safe ones, and it differs depending on where in the world you are. People from Europe or Asia sometimes end up in the hospital after going mushrooming in America following the knowledge that was valid where they came from. I'm almost positive there are some even mycologists have trouble with
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Das Boo posted:Progress is paved in blood. Harsh, but true?
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Windows is now AI and will let the AI help you in MS Paint and also you need a Processor with Ai cores but you need at least 40 TFOPS of AI power to be good so imagine when we get to 40 Mega TFLOPS Cortana will definitely be real yo.
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zedprime posted:Violated the number 1 rule of stealing things for your model. Just don't ask. Can't prove this voice thing didn't just flop out of the algebra sounding like ScarJo, can't be helped. This isn't directly AI related, but how is it that in TYOOL 2024 there is so little pushback against the fact all the AI assistants are "women"? I mean, I can think of a half dozen reasons why this is the case, but they're all kind of gross. Not to mention, it's not just sexist, it's boring. gently caress branding, if I'm going rig up my house with microphones that sell all my fart and sneeze data to advertisers, I at least want to be able to choose entertaining voices to talk to. Where's my Jeeves-type voice, my wizened old machine-shop employee "there's your problem" voice, my Fran Drescher voice?
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Women are by and large considered more pleasant than men.
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Women are by and large considered more pleasant than men. I mean, I agree with this statement, but it's still gross and sexist if you think about it for more than 30 seconds.
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AlmightyBob posted:I'm almost positive there are some even mycologists have trouble with
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personally I really dislike how all of these ai assistants/"people" have personalities, usually cheery enthusiastic personalities that never fail to be engaged with what they're asked. this is probably in part because that's an American social norm, whereas I'm English and my model for how a person I don't know well should behave toward me is that they ought to be at least somewhat reserved. but also I think I just don't like that its a machine pretending to have a personality and to be interested in me. My mental picture of what a "thinking machine" (yes I know LLMs aren't really thinking) ought to be like is Data off of Star Trek, i think. And can I add a strawberry milkshake to that please.
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Hammerite posted:personally I really dislike how all of these ai assistants/"people" have personalities, usually cheery enthusiastic personalities that never fail to be engaged with what they're asked. this is probably in part because that's an American social norm, whereas I'm English and my model for how a person I don't know well should behave toward me is that they ought to be at least somewhat reserved. but also I think I just don't like that its a machine pretending to have a personality and to be interested in me. My mental picture of what a "thinking machine" (yes I know LLMs aren't really thinking) ought to be like is Data off of Star Trek, i think. And can I add a strawberry milkshake to that please. They're going for the Majel Barret-voiced Computer from Star Trek.
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Hammerite posted:personally I really dislike how all of these ai assistants/"people" have personalities, usually cheery enthusiastic personalities that never fail to be engaged with what they're asked. this is probably in part because that's an American social norm, whereas I'm English and my model for how a person I don't know well should behave toward me is that they ought to be at least somewhat reserved. but also I think I just don't like that its a machine pretending to have a personality and to be interested in me. My mental picture of what a "thinking machine" (yes I know LLMs aren't really thinking) ought to be like is Data off of Star Trek, i think. And can I add a strawberry milkshake to that please. That battle's long lost in the US, 2000s waitstaff and retail cashiers got fired for not acting like your best friend, including calling you by your first name (which you did not tell them, they read it off your bank card like a stalker, it absolutely made my skin crawl). It seems like they've backed off this some, but I haven't lived there since the early 2010s so I can't really say.
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Computer voices being women is a ship that sailed loooong ago, going way back to sci-fi and possibly a thing from women as secretaries, switchboard operators and such. Apparently people pay more attention to women's voices than men. Fun thing, Majel Barret's been the stock Star Trek computer voice since TOS.
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purplestuffedworm posted:This isn't directly AI related, but how is it that in TYOOL 2024 there is so little pushback against the fact all the AI assistants are "women"? I mean, I can think of a half dozen reasons why this is the case, but they're all kind of gross. When Google decided to release Google Assistant with both female and male voices back in 2016 it turned out to just not be feasible because the text-to-speech systems had all been trained on female voices, so they released with just a female voice. It took them an extra year of work to add a male voice option: https://www.fastcompany.com/90404860/the-real-reason-there-are-so-many-female-voice-assistants-biased-data It's a systemic bias that goes back to at least the 1880s where 100% of telephone switchboard operators were women, so when you talked into technology and gave it orders you were always assisted by a disembodied female voice. There's recently been a similar bias switch in the people who hold the stop/slow signs during roadworks are now primarily women, at least in Australia because it apparently cuts down on road rage.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:When Google decided to release Google Assistant with both female and male voices back in 2016 it turned out to just not be feasible because the text-to-speech systems had all been trained on female voices, so they released with just a female voice. It took them an extra year of work to add a male voice option: https://www.fastcompany.com/90404860/the-real-reason-there-are-so-many-female-voice-assistants-biased-data Huh, didn't realize you could do man Google in American English, I'll give them a little credit there. There was only a female voice for peninsular Spanish when I tried it on my Pixel back in like 2020. I gave up on it pretty fast because it only seemed to voice-activate about 30% of the time, no matter what language I spoke to it in or chose as my primary language to activate voice commands.
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