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Maybe this is just because I watched Casablanca last night, but I think Mal is really more of a poorly-written Rick than a poorly written Han Solo. Both are characters that we are introduced to as cynical and selfishly motived, but quickly learn used to be romantic idealists drawn to hopelessly outmatched causes. Although I guess that's ultimately all the same archetype.
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Zaphod42 posted:lol one episode He got the post scarcity part because you said it was like star trek, which is post scarcity, while firefly is definitely not. In firefly they spend a great deal of time on recruiting the perfect pilot and engineer, and make a great big deal about how temperamental the engine is. One of the episodes is about an explosion in the engine. So, like I don't think anyone is trying to dunk on you, but you are super wrong about this crappy scifi show, and theres no reason to post just to be wrong.
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Feb 26, 2020 22:41
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Zaphod42 posted:lol one episode Unless you count all the other episodes where poo poo breaks down for them and it doesn't immediately cause a life-threatening emergency, yeah. It's a significant part of the show's runtime. quote:dunno where you possibly invented "post-scarcity economy" from since I said nothing of the sort, really going out of your way to try to dunk on me here. They live on the frontier and they're poor outlaws, but the point is they're at risk of running out of food and gas. They're not at risk of the ship exploding from too much pressure because they didn't properly calculate the azimuth angle or something like that which requires higher brain function. "Post-scarcity economy" is generally how the Trek universe - a tech level that you directly compared it to - is described. I said they were "out of space gas" because that's the episode's title, in reality they are at risk of everyone on the ship dying because they didn't properly replace a part - something that I'm guessing requires higher brain function. I don't know where your hostility is coming from but "one small thing went wrong and everyone almost died" is pretty directly contradictory to "ships are like subways, of course people with dire Space Madness can use them".
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Feb 26, 2020 22:43
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BioEnchanted posted:The best way I saw the kind of idea done was with Star Trek: Voyager
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Feb 26, 2020 22:50
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food court bailiff posted:Tudyk kept working with Whedon at least up through the second season of Dollhouse, like five years after Serenity. And uh even if they hadn't killed Wash how would that have had any bearing on Tudyk and Whedon's relationship, the show had already been canceled for two years at that point? In my defense, I forgot that Dollhouse existed just like 90% of all people.
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Feb 27, 2020 00:14
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I thought the stranded episode was about a broke engine part, not being outta space gas.
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Feb 27, 2020 00:54
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I thought the stranded episode was about a broke engine part, not being outta space gas. To be fair, the episode is called "Out of Gas"
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Feb 27, 2020 01:31
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muscles like this! posted:To be fair, the episode is called "Out of Gas" They were just tuckered out. I don’t remember a whole lot about Reavers, but isn’t it possible they’re not crazy all the time? Like they get into a blood lust whenever they find a passing vessel, but otherwise they manage to delegate responsibility enough to not blow up most of the time. People used to be scared shitless of Vikings, who would perform unspeakable acts on innocent people, but the boats didn’t sink and the leather was properly oiled.
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Feb 27, 2020 03:35
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muscles like this! posted:To be fair, the episode is called "Out of Gas" Ah, but you see, it was actually referring to the air in the ship. How delightfully devilish of Whedon to subvert expectations like that.
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Feb 27, 2020 04:41
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Another annoying thing from the show is that in the first episodes their guns made realistic gun sounds, but then for some reason, without changing the design of the weapons at all, they suddenly began making zappy laser gun sound effects instead.
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Feb 27, 2020 12:00
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Eclipse12 posted:Another annoying thing from the show is that in the first episodes their guns made realistic gun sounds, but then for some reason, without changing the design of the weapons at all, they suddenly began making zappy laser gun sound effects instead. It's been some time since I watched it : was it maybe just the gun that they were using? The show does have a mix of bullet guns and laser guns, depending on who manufactured them, I'm pretty sure. Edit: Wait actually I'm pretty sure they're all regular ones, isn't there an episode where they go to steal the only laser gun or something Morpheus has a new favorite as of 14:44 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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Feb 27, 2020 13:58
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I remember vaguely watching the commentary track and when someone brought up the noise the guns made, the production team joked about using space bullets.
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Feb 27, 2020 14:33
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Crowetron posted:In my defense, I forgot that Dollhouse existed just like 90% of all people. I'm in the 10% and I wish I could forget the Joss Whedon Rape Hour.
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Feb 27, 2020 14:37
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christmas boots posted:Maybe this is just because I watched Casablanca last night, but I think Mal is really more of a poorly-written Rick than a poorly written Han Solo. I'd agree with the comparison, although I don't think Mal ever got over his cause. He just stopped being optimistic it could be done. He'd been beaten and saw no way to actually stick it to the Alliance since he was too focused on surviving. The evidence of the Pax experiment on Miranda gave him the hope he thought he'd lost. I think the flashbacks to the war even show him wearing a cross around his neck, so losing the war also killed what actual religious faith he had. Morpheus posted:It's been some time since I watched it : was it maybe just the gun that they were using? The show does have a mix of bullet guns and laser guns, depending on who manufactured them, I'm pretty sure. It wasn't the "only" laser gun, but I think the first laser gun. That is, it was the original laser gun prototype. The setting probably uses both since actual regular guns are cheaper and easier to manufacture, probably.
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Feb 27, 2020 18:12
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Yeah, they steal an antique historic laser gun, not the only one. Pretty sure they use a mix of blams and pew pews, but its been awhile since I watched it all.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:05
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“Mal” is French for bad so him being a bad character wasn’t exactly hidden
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Feb 28, 2020 08:05
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More like oldbreadless.
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Feb 28, 2020 14:12
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oldpainless posted:“Mal” is French for bad so him being a bad character wasn’t exactly hidden They even point that out in the first episode, the autisticninjagirl tells her brother ‘Mal, bad. Like the Latin.’ Because Whedon has to explain all his jokes.
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Feb 28, 2020 16:26
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I'd like to see a horror thing in which the character gets one over on the ghost. Like he's hiding under the bed, sees the ghost looking for him and just darts his hand out, grabbing his ankle, and the ghost's just like "GAH! gently caress! You scared the poo poo out of me... Well played."
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Feb 29, 2020 08:34
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Back to the Future, the first film, has a great sense of humor and Marty is a genuine, empathetic dude, the whole movie has a great emotional core and balances comedy and action perfectly. Part II turns Marty into a moron who constantly does stupid poo poo, most of the movie is just Marty and Doc having to fix poo poo because of Marty's incompetence. Most of the humor is excised from the film and it has little emotional resonance. I loved Part II as a kid, it was an amusement park of nonstop set pieces, but as an adult Part I is a transcendent blockbuster experience that is both hilarious and nail bitingly tense at the clocktower scene, Part II just feels like it kind of shits on Marty as a character and turns him into a twat. The whole "chicken" character trait was so rear end-pulled.
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Feb 29, 2020 09:20
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That's the same reason I actually prefer Fun with Dick and Jane to Bruce Almighty. Carrey never takes his lovely position out on his wife in the former and they are super close, having each other's back at all times. It's a really sweet relationship. In Bruce Almighty he's just a lovely person. Bruce is more of an rear end to his wife that Robotnik is to Agent Stone. At least you get the feeling that Robotnik likes stone.
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Feb 29, 2020 09:23
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Feels like it's kind of the point that Bruce is a huge dick who doesn't know how good he has it, but yeah, that doesn't make it necessarily better to watch.
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Feb 29, 2020 10:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Feels like it's kind of the point that Bruce is a huge dick who doesn't know how good he has it, but yeah, that doesn't make it necessarily better to watch. Dick and Jane are just fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBI5Rk9qYjU I just love that when she finds out about the foreclosure notice, rather than getting angry with her husband for keeping it from her she just turns the stress onto the shopkeeper, joining him fully in the heist mentality.
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Feb 29, 2020 11:04
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Back to the Future 2 feel more like more the big finish to the trilogy, what with getting to actually see the future and revisiting the first movie. BTTF3 has much lower stakes, coming from 'Marty could get erased from the timeline' and 'Marty's entire timeline could get erased altogether' and ending with 'Marty could get shot by a cowboy.'
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Feb 29, 2020 12:15
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Back to the Future 2 feel more like more the big finish to the trilogy, what with getting to actually see the future and revisiting the first movie. BTTF3 has much lower stakes, coming from 'Marty could get erased from the timeline' and 'Marty's entire timeline could get erased altogether' and ending with 'Marty could get shot by a cowboy.' Hey. Getting shot by a cowboy is way worse than fading from the timeline. Fading from the timeline sucks, but getting shot hurts!
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Feb 29, 2020 12:16
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The clock tower sequence in 1 and the train sequence in 3 are probably my two favourite action bits ever. The pacing is astonishingly good. poo poo it might be time for a rewatch.
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Feb 29, 2020 12:50
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I've seen bttf so many times and the clock tower scene never fails to be exciting. Doc's reaction when he pulls the cable out is so great
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Feb 29, 2020 13:17
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I just realized that while I've seen a bunch of scenes from the third Back to the Future again and again over the years, I've never seen the whole movie. And honestly, I don't care to, especially if it continues the trend that started in two. Speaking of which, is Back to the Future the most obvious "Was supposed to be only one film and had to change a bunch of poo poo for a trilogy to happen" example? Maybe the Matrix trilogy? Any others?
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Feb 29, 2020 13:56
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I just realized that while I've seen a bunch of scenes from the third Back to the Future again and again over the years, I've never seen the whole movie. And honestly, I don't care to, especially if it continues the trend that started in two. The terminator. It worked well as two movies but they’ve basically tried to make a terminator 3 4 times now.
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Feb 29, 2020 13:59
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The terminator. It worked well as two movies but they’ve basically tried to make a terminator 3 4 times now. I was going more for something that was only ever supposed to be a single film but then turned into a trilogy, but that certainly works.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:08
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I love the middle films in a trilogy. Superman 2, Spider-Man 2, Empire Strikes Back, Temple of Doom, and even BTTF 2. They get to be darker and distance themselves somewhat from the more audience friendly first installments. Then the 3rd one comes up and is a sappy emotional mess (Last Crusade, Jedi, Spider-Man, Matrix Revolutions. BTTF 2 had that great ending with Marty trying to avoid himself in 1955. I didn’t really care much for Avengers Endgame, but when they did the BTTF 2 scene I was all about it.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:14
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Krispy Wafer posted:sappy emotional mess (Last Crusade, I pretty much agree with the rest of your post though
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Feb 29, 2020 14:18
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Yeah, I also prefer Last Crusade to Raiders. I've never really been able to figure out why, and it's not as though I don't like Raiders. Maybe it's the dad stuff with Connery? It was incredibly well done.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:19
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I just realized that while I've seen a bunch of scenes from the third Back to the Future again and again over the years, I've never seen the whole movie. And honestly, I don't care to, especially if it continues the trend that started in two. *I scream so loud it tears a hole in the fabric of reality* THE HOBBIT
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Feb 29, 2020 14:26
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RareAcumen posted:*I scream so loud it tears a hole in the fabric of reality* I enjoyed the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but nothing will make me watch the Hobbit films. It seems like a mind-numbing waste of nine hours, and I've honestly never heard anything worthwhile about them.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:30
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I enjoyed the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but nothing will make me watch the Hobbit films. It seems like a mind-numbing waste of nine hours, and I've honestly never heard anything worthwhile about them. I’ve only seen the first one, and some friends dragged me to see it in theatres. That movie just wouldn’t end, it was physically uncomfortable in the same way a long flight was.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:57
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It's really obvious that at least 25% of the second and third films was added in reshoots because it was originally supposed to be just two movies but then when filming was already done the studio decided three films was more profitable so they went back and added a bunch of filler like the big chase in the mines and the love triangle.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:59
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Where does “let’s split the last book of this series into two movies to wring the last drops outta this cash cow” fall into this conversation? I will never stop laughing out of the fact they did that for the Divergent series and then cancelled the fourth movie. I’m surprised that hasn’t happened more.
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Feb 29, 2020 15:02
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That last Star Wars might have benefited from a 4th movie. I think Divergent killed the 4 movie trilogies. That only seemed to work on YA audiences (Twilight, Harry Potter, Hunger Games). Avengers did 4 movies, but I don't know if that counts. I had to actually go look that up because it felt like more since you had so many other movies cribbing off the original series.
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Krispy Wafer posted:That last Star Wars might have benefited from a 4th movie. I don't think giving them more opportunities to continue the inter-director slapfight would have helped.
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