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GreyPowerVan posted:They did join one of the leagues IRL though. I'm guessing you're protestant and in the protestant league? Nope. I'm Catholic and not part of either league. The Ottomans are my rival and am I theirs, plus I just took a huge chunk of territory from them (some I kept for myself, some I gave to my vassal The Mamluks) so that may explain it, but it's still grating.
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Jul 8, 2015 07:13
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The league isn't like an alliance or coalition thought right...you can fight them without fighting the whole league.
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Jul 8, 2015 07:18
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In fact them being in a league might be good for you because they'll get drawn into the thunderdome and oyu can attack them.
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Jul 8, 2015 07:19
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The colonial game has changed so much, even from when I last bothered around CoP. MY absolute favourite thing is that almost all colonial powers prefer to focus their efforts on a single area, so you end up seeing stuff like big Portuguese brazils etc. Makes it real easy for the player to just go full retard with colonial policies and poo poo all over everything. I am the only power in Louisiana, Eastern US and I have the most provinces in the Caribbean and Canada while STILL getting all the trade company merchants from west africa to the moluccas. MEanwhile Portugal is getting beaten up by mega brazil. Fun stuff. The onoly annoying thing is getting pulled into old world wars every 10 years or so. GO AWAY I'M ZOOMED RIGHT INTO TAIWAN AND WAITING FOR THE COLONIST TO ARRIVE.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:32
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Also, Trade feels kind of like a worthless idea as a colnial power, especially if you are doing the trade company game. I have something like 14 merchant, and that's one more than I need. Got giant army of crigates to kjeep britain away, max forts, level 3 advisors and still making 50 ducats a month...I replenish my army by pushing the build all mercs button and shipping them around the world.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:36
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The Netherlands is insanely powerful with all the buffs they've given to trade-reliant nations and colonial nations, since they are both, more so than France, England, or Spain. They don't really have anywhere the expand militarily without coalition city.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:01
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Yeah...even taking the lowlands was hard. The only reason I never got coalitioned is that France was my ally. Althoug, expanding into the HRE is a lot easier in the beta because Austria loses the emperorship immediately and then it's Oooohhhh watch out for Hesse every body...uh oh, here comes the palatinate!!!! I made sure the protestants won the league war so I'd never have to care about the emperor ever again.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:09
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I still have perma-Austria in the beta I'm trying to play Mzab and this is a p challenging start. They're interesting because even though they have the bad and gay Berber ideas, they are an Ibadi Theocracy... Also I found out, Muslim Theocracies have unique events despite almost never existing for long in normal play. I got one that gave me 1% missionary strength, 0.25 prestige, and -5% tech cost for like 1 year income, or stronger versions of the strength or tech cost for a little less gold... Pretty sweet... Except Toggocourt got vassalized and Tlemcen or whatever somehow lost Tunis as a valid rival, then called them in to my war and pwned me.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:54
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Jul 8, 2015 22:47
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Jul 8, 2015 23:20
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good to see spain holding on to their colony in morocco in spite of the Actual Apocalypse
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Jul 8, 2015 23:53
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Did Sinaasappel. The game trolled me because the last Orangist I got to tip me into getting them in power was really poo poo and the statist was 6/6/6. FFFUUUUUUUUUU! also thought it was going to be hard, but I forgot that Taiwan is part of China. Ming had mil tech parity with the Euro powers and the biggest army in the world...really did not want to gently caress with that.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:47
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Looks like I ended up getting market control too...weird that I never got it before, but I think when I normally do colonise I ignore either asia or america and go after the other. Also haven't really played the trade game since I did Venetian sea and levelled up my knowledge.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:49
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Damnit, I think I made the Mamluks too big to annex by giving them back all their cores from the Ottomans. I was expecting it to take a while but not this long. What are my options, just try and get diplomatic reputation to speed it up? Also, check out the rest of the map. Some cool stuff you don't see a lot of, like buff Burgundy, huge Scandinavia, buff and separate Lithuania, Portugal tearing up northern Africa, etc.
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Jul 9, 2015 09:06
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The new Pope event bonuses are so sick...free 5 discipline yes please.
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Jul 9, 2015 10:25
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Yolomancer posted:Damnit, I think I made the Mamluks too big to annex by giving them back all their cores from the Ottomans. I was expecting it to take a while but not this long. What are my options, just try and get diplomatic reputation to speed it up? don't influence ideas help with that?
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Jul 9, 2015 10:35
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Knuc U Kinte posted:The new Pope event bonuses are so sick...free 5 discipline yes please. i continue to be amazed that the pope dominates italy in only most games, instead of all of them
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Jul 9, 2015 11:22
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I thought that TO and LO was gonna be the hard part of Holy Trinity...vassalised them both in a single war pretty early on. TO was small enough that they only needed 75 warscore, but I pulled LO in as a co-belligerent so I could still get them at 97 (Idunno if them not being a co-belligerent would double the cost for vassaling them, but I didn;t want to risk it). Venice is fairly mighty so don;t really want to gently caress with the knights until I get a deec navy. Allied with England, but the AI is loving hopeless at doing anything with their navy. Venice actually defeated the Ottomans in a war and own albania and a bunch of other provinces in Western Greece and it's still really early on...Austria didn;t rival them though and won't go to war with them...unless I no CB the Knights.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:30
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Also had to take out loans to win the war with TO/LO because England sent their army over ande got killed before I could walk through Lithuania (I used them as mil access) and we didn;t have the numbers until I took out some mercs. I left my navy in the black sea and it sunk from attrition lmfao and now I have no money so I hope the drat knights don;t get eaten before I rebuild a navy. I wish there was a big flashing message that tells you when a stationary navy is taking attrition because I lose so much ships from it.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:33
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You have 150 years from when Rhodes falls, and then there's a good chance Aragon will cede them Malta anyway.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:38
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Larry Parrish posted:You have 150 years from when Rhodes falls, and then there's a good chance Aragon will cede them Malta anyway. I won't be able to release them anyway because Rhodes is Greek.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:42
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I won't be able to release them anyway because Rhodes is Greek. You can do rebel fuckery and then invade them after they get released from you though.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:43
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Also, they aren't maltese anymore so I dunno if they can get malta.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:45
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Also, they aren't maltese anymore so I dunno if they can get malta. They are never maltese. The way it works is that whoever owns Malta gets an event when Rhodes falls, and they can choose to cede it to The Knights.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:48
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Larry Parrish posted:They are never maltese. The way it works is that whoever owns Malta gets an event when Rhodes falls, and they can choose to cede it to The Knights. That's good. I hope that the Knights don;t get taken though becuase I'll be pissed if I wait around for some event to fire and it never happens...maybe I can sell them Provence as insurance so they can always exist.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:52
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Any htoughts on what to take as my first idea set? I'm already 1 relation over my limit right now with TO and LO as marches so I was thinking diplomatic could ease that. Influence not really super useful because I don't think I'm going to be mucking aorund with non-march vassals too much...
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Jul 9, 2015 13:20
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Any htoughts on what to take as my first idea set? I'm already 1 relation over my limit right now with TO and LO as marches so I was thinking diplomatic could ease that. Influence not really super useful because I don't think I'm going to be mucking aorund with non-march vassals too much... Diplo is fantastic in general, but don't forget Influence doesnt just make vassal annexing cheaper, it makes you get more money from vassals and get more forcelimit from vassals too.
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Jul 9, 2015 15:35
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Yolomancer posted:Damnit, I think I made the Mamluks too big to annex by giving them back all their cores from the Ottomans. I was expecting it to take a while but not this long. What are my options, just try and get diplomatic reputation to speed it up? The Mamelukes have cores all the way up into northern Mesopotamia?
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Jul 9, 2015 17:57
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That is an extremely buff Ethiopia.
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Jul 9, 2015 18:02
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Pewdiepie posted:The Mamelukes have cores all the way up into northern Mesopotamia? That's called Syria.
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Jul 9, 2015 18:03
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Larry Parrish posted:Diplo is fantastic in general, but don't forget Influence doesnt just make vassal annexing cheaper, it makes you get more money from vassals and get more forcelimit from vassals too. True...just don't like the idea of wasting so many points in useless stuff like the annexing idea and the vassal cash idea since I'm never gonna annex or get money from my vassals.
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Jul 9, 2015 21:03
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Friendly Tumour posted:don't influence ideas help with that? They do, so does Diplomatic, but this time I went Trade -> Plutocratic -> Quality -> Religious -> Quality because, well, they are really solid idea groups for a Venice expanding into Asia and I was sick of going Influence -> Admin every drat game.
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Jul 9, 2015 21:27
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Yolomancer posted:They do, so does Diplomatic, but this time I went Trade -> Plutocratic -> Quality -> Religious -> Quality because, well, they are really solid idea groups for a Venice expanding into Asia and I was sick of going Influence -> Admin every drat game. tbh i usually do exactly that haha. I wouldn't worry about annexing mamluks atm, a big overseas vassal is a powerhouse for expansion. And of course you can eventually just intentionally piss them off enough so they declare a war of independence.
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Jul 9, 2015 22:33
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Knuc U Kinte posted:True...just don't like the idea of wasting so many points in useless stuff like the annexing idea and the vassal cash idea since I'm never gonna annex or get money from my vassals. You aren't expanding TO and LO to proper, worthy marches? 
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Jul 10, 2015 00:12
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I don't really know what I'm gonna do with them just yet...but why do it need influence to expand them? They won't give me money and the force limit buff is at the end of influence...
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Jul 10, 2015 00:44
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Poland has a bunch of TO cores that I'm gonna take back soon. Lucky Poland is a right oval office though.
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Jul 10, 2015 00:45
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I noticed that Poland almost always reduces the TO to it's historical borders when it beats them the first time which is kind of cool.
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Jul 10, 2015 00:46
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Dip reputation makes it easier to expand vassals without them getting ideas.
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Jul 10, 2015 01:52
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you get the same amount of dip rep going diplo though
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Jul 10, 2015 02:43
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I'm not listening to Larry Parrish anymore.
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