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stoutfish posted:hoping that bernie doesn't win the presidency, is in line with the status quo I hope that meaningful, lasting change happens, and I think that (this has been my point) the focus on the Sanders candidacy for President over and above down-ticket races and technocratic organizing sets up a situation wherein failure is both probable and damaging. Basically I fear a lasting return to the status quo after a failed Sanders administration more than I fear four more years of the status quo while leftism builds an organization capable of actually enacting lasting change.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:00
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Chantilly Say posted:Why do you want the establishment to be scared? You need them to do jobs, scared people don't work well. scared? you want them destroyed and replaced. A revolution is not a dinner party.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:00
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The lighter side of some of the candidates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03uNgu1ETmg
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Aug 20, 2015 21:01
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What would our grandparents think if they knew the 2016 presidential election would be between two nazis?
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Aug 20, 2015 21:01
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:scared? you want them destroyed and replaced. A revolution is not a dinner party. Yes! This is much better than scared. That's my point.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:02
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Chantilly Say posted:Basically I fear a lasting return to the status quo after a failed Sanders administration more than I fear four more years of the status quo while leftism builds an organization capable of actually enacting lasting change.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:03
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Rick Perry: I'm getting some phone calls from daddies, they're worried about their cummies.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:03
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Shifty Pony posted:No it isn't. It is just higher among the people you hang out with and those that make a lot of noise in the online communities you frequent. Obama's grassroots support was absolutely insane. Looks like I misremembered. But given that Sanders started comparatively late (for the most part he started at the time he said he was running, instead of years before), and his name is just now getting out there, him pulling 20k+ crowds is insanely good. Also, he's a crazy haired grandpa as opposed to a good looking young guy, and to me this says something about the strength of his appeal and message and the anger of the electorate. I think we're at a different place than we were 8 years ago, and Sanders and Trump as candidates are just as much products of the now. Anyways, I think we're all starting to talk past each other. Keep on feeling the way that you do (Sanders can't win, won't win, and if he does win, he'll be a loser like Carter or whatever), and I'll feel the way I do. To each his (or her) own!
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Aug 20, 2015 21:03
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JT Jag posted:What makes you think this would actually happen? Because it's never happened before. It'd take a catalyst to bring the leftists in this country together. A catalyst like Bernie Sanders. :bernget:
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Aug 20, 2015 21:04
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Neurolimal posted:solid supermajority Joseph Lieberman
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Aug 20, 2015 21:06
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Yesterday I saw someone wearing a Feel the Bern shirt and he looked normal and had a smile on his face and had a girl wrapped around him. I was definitely feeling the burn.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:08
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AfroLine posted:Yesterday I saw someone wearing a Feel the Bern shirt and he looked normal and had a smile on his face and had a girl wrapped around him. I was definitely feeling the burn. That definitely wasn't me.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:09
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AfroLine posted:Yesterday I saw someone wearing a Feel the Bern shirt and he looked normal and had a smile on his face and had a girl wrapped around him. I was definitely feeling the burn. Stupid sexy Sanders (supporter)!
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Aug 20, 2015 21:09
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Forums Terrorist posted:you don't want liebermen? then don't advocate for a 50 state strategy, because that's how you get liebermen. I think you're going to have to elaborate here because I'm not entirely sure how the former Senator of Conneticut relates to a 50 state strategy.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:10
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Feather posted:It is already blamed, quite heavily, and at least as often by Democrats as by Republicans. What are the numbers and demographics of these Bush-voting Democrats?
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Aug 20, 2015 21:10
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Taerkar posted:What are the numbers and demographics of these Bush-voting Democrats?
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Aug 20, 2015 21:11
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Considering many people still don't realize that the President needs the majority of the House and the supermajority of the Senate to pass legislation, I'd be fascinated to see the reactions of some Sanders supporters once a Sanders Presidency isn't able to pass the legislation he campaign on. Either they'll end up becoming disillusioned and turned off politics and possibly blame Sanders, or they'll wake up to realize that Presidents can't do jack poo poo if they don't have support of members of congress, and will also work towards changing congressional and state legislative seats. I"m leaning towards Sanders, but not because I'm excited of the possibility of his proposals being enacted, since I know they probably won't.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:11
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theblackw0lf posted:Considering many people still don't realize that the President needs the majority of the House and the supermajority of the Senate to pass legislation, I'd be fascinated to see the reactions of some Sanders supporters once a Sanders Presidency isn't able to pass the legislation he campaign on. Part of Sanders' campaign is encouraging voting for more Democratic legislators and governors.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:12
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theblackw0lf posted:Considering many people still don't realize that the President needs the majority of the House and the supermajority of the Senate to pass legislation, I'd be fascinated to see the reactions of many Sanders supporters once a Sanders Presidency isn't able to pass the legislation he campaign on.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:13
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Daduzi posted:I think you're going to have to elaborate here because I'm not entirely sure how the former Senator of Conneticut relates to a 50 state strategy. Because the 50-state strategy is about electing Democrats, not liberals
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Aug 20, 2015 21:14
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Jewel Repetition posted:Part of Sanders' campaign is encouraging voting for more Democratic legislators and governors. Oh yea that definitely encourages me. I wasn't criticizing Sanders. In fact he's even said he'll need a movement if he wants to get his agenda passed. I was thinking of some of his supporters who I'm concerned aren't listening to him when he says that.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:14
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theblackw0lf posted:Considering many people still don't realize that the President needs the majority of the House and the supermajority of the Senate to pass legislation, I'd be fascinated to see the reactions of some Sanders supporters once a Sanders Presidency isn't able to pass the legislation he campaign on. Nah, they will just accuse the rest of the Democratic party of being center-right conservatives
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Aug 20, 2015 21:15
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Because the 50-state strategy is about electing Democrats, not liberals
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Aug 20, 2015 21:15
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Heaven: Sanders Light Earth: Clinton Dark Earth: Trump Purgatory: Other Republicans Hell: Walker
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Aug 20, 2015 21:15
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JT Jag posted:They actually do, but not the minds of the sort of people supporting Trump. I'm thinking that is the exact demographic TV ads target. Goldfish memory that just remembers the last thing they were told about a candidate, good or bad. At least I'm hoping that is the Trump demographic. Rubies posted:Are people not aware that there is already a "wall" between the US and Mexico? Last year I went to The Imperial Valley and Yuma for work and the border security is insane. Like un-American surveillance, random stops, request for ID, etc. Nobody is getting through there. Most of the people cross in the vast desert wastelands, and there's already a poo poo ton of BP cruising that. People still get thru. A physical wall won't change the situation. Wall doesn't stop immigrants:build a bigger wall::our most conservative candidates can't win elections:be more conservative. It all makes sense. Xenophon posted:just call him Bush, I hate that his One Simple Trick to get people not to say that word works so well I think this criticism is overrated. I get it in the base terms but no exchange will go "Who's that?" "Jeb." "Oh, well that is enough information I need to make an important political decision. Thank you, fellow citizen." But then there is that Trump audience...
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Aug 20, 2015 21:16
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Jewel Repetition posted:Heaven: Sanders Hardly. Sanders is too conservative to be heavenly.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:18
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Internet Webguy posted:I think this criticism is overrated. I get it in the base terms but no exchange will go "Who's that?" "Jeb." "Oh, well that is enough information I need to make an important political decision. Thank you, fellow citizen." Bush Zero New Bush
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Aug 20, 2015 21:19
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Feather posted:The magickal thinking here, where it exists, is that there is any more than about 15%-20% of registered voters who are actually "leftist" in any meaningful sense of the word. Some Sanders supporters have a mistaken notion of some Silent Liberal Majority that is simply oppressed by the weight of control and money in the senior ranks. Most (I hope) of us aren't that deluded. There might not be a silent leftist majority, but an overwhelming percentage of americans who support financially leftist policies. Trump didnt get a standing ovation because the audience didnt understand him. He got a standing ovation because he was a conservative billionaire saying "Guys: universal healthcare can happen in america!". Conservative americans have been lied to by the republican establishment and confirmed by bluer dog democrats; that socialist policies that would make their lives better is impossible because of boogeymen like "Welfare Queens". They don't oppose socialist policies because a black man might get treatment, they oppose socialist policies because their leaders told them it wont work because a black man will get treated. Racist? Very Yes, Financially conservative? No The problem is that half of america doesn't reach out to these mistaken people, they assume them lost causes unfit for a role in their Intellectual circle, playing into the establishment (both parties') hands. Kind of like Liberal Exceptionalism; Woe be Us! For our champions doth be slain by thine cruel tyrants Bagging-Tree and Jerry's Men Daring! Deth to the farmer! Death to the Midwest! Only in the blood of the proletariat may we establish our utopia! That's why Donald Trump is a good thing, and why it would be a good thing if a Sanders-Trump race happened (with Trump outperforming Romney but losing to Sanders), he's completely ignoring establishment narrative and saying the truth: "hey Good Ol Boy! I'm a conservative who made it, and I can tell you that healthcare can be free!". Acknowledging Trump and Sanders flings mud in the face of both establishments' insistence that financial conservatism is an inevitability, flinging the overton window leftwards. Imagine being the republican who follows a Trump almost-successful campaign, telling a room full of conservatives that he's going to make healthcare cost them more.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:19
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JT Jag posted:What makes you think this would actually happen? Because it's never happened before. It'd take a catalyst to bring the leftists in this country together. A catalyst like Bernie Sanders. Yes, I agree! But I'm not worried about bringing leftists together. I'm worried about bringing the mainstream into the left. I don't want the mainstream to bandwagon to a Sanders administration and then snap back when the status quo proves too difficult to overcome. I think what we're getting is that I actually dislike the American political middle more than most do.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:20
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JT Jag posted:Get Democrats in the door at every level of government you can, then primary them if they're shitheads. Seems reasonable to me. Seems reasonable in theory, sure. Unfortunately, the latter part didn't work so well in practice.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:20
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AfroLine posted:Yesterday I saw someone wearing a Feel the Bern shirt and he looked normal and had a smile on his face and had a girl wrapped around him. Say goodnight Hillary Clinton!
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Aug 20, 2015 21:24
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Because the 50-state strategy is about electing Democrats, not liberals
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Aug 20, 2015 21:25
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Neurolimal posted:Silent majority. I think the deal with the "silent majority" is that they would vote as normal. Voters that normally vote Dem would vote for Sanders. Voters that normally vote for Repubs would vote for the Repub. The difference is that Sanders (and the same probably goes for a certain charismatic Repub candidate) would get people voting that normally don't vote, and it will probably be enough to swing seats. Edit: Also, I understand that I'm coming out pretty strongly in favor of Sanders and Trump being the strongest candidates. My opinion currently is that Trump will most likely get the nom. In terms of Sanders, I actually think odds are against him right now, but it's very possible for him to beat those odds (in like, if you're a nerd, roll a d20, and you roll higher than 13 Sanders wins!). His odds improve the longer he can keep up momentum and trending. Dahbadu fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Aug 20, 2015 21:25
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Dahbadu posted:If Bernie is able to win the nom, I think Bernie will pick someone he feels he can trust and work with, is charismatic, and a strong debater/speaker. I have no clue who that is. Still sticking by my bet that Hilary will have Hulian on her short list of VP picks to groom him for a possible run in 4-8 years and ushering in a Castro Presidency while his brother moves up through the ranks in Congress. Plus picking a Castro VP actually makes sense and would be a potential boost to the ticket, unlike fevered goon dreams of Elizabeth Warren who doesn't want to be part of the executive in the first place. Comedy option: Castro brothers run for the presidency itself and Hilary loses the primary to a young charismatic guy for the second time.  
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Aug 20, 2015 21:35
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The lighter side of some of the candidates: lol so any movie that filmed in Vermont during the 80s got a free cameo from Bernie?
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Aug 20, 2015 21:35
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Jeb Bush Cites Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio in Defending Birthright Citizenship http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/20/jeb-bush-cites-ted-cruz-and-marco-rubio-in-defending-birthright-citizenship/?_r=0 quote:NEW LONDON, N.H. — Jeb Bush invoked the names of two rivals for the Republican presidential nomination as he waded into the debate over birthright citizenship and immigration on Thursday, saying that Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Marco Rubio of Florida might not be able to run for president if some in the conservative wing of the Republican Party had their way. Marco Rubio - Anchor Baby.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:39
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Montasque posted:Jeb Bush Cites Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio in Defending Birthright Citizenship I mean, it's not a self-own like Jeb! has done so many times now, but he's painting a gigantic loving target right on his back by going after Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Also  he didn't even mention Bobby Jindal, who literally would not have US citizenship without Birthright Citizenship.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:46
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AfroLine posted:Yesterday I saw someone wearing a Feel the Bern shirt and he looked normal and had a smile on his face and had a girl wrapped around him. I was definitely feeling the burn. First Sanders starts a KKK rally, now his supporters are using women as clothing accessories? Disgusting LINO.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:47
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Bobby Jindal thinks he can run with the big dogs. 
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