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tbc you are literally too stupid to live
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fleshweasel posted:tbc you are literally too stupid to live lol
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Dec 23, 2014 20:22
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i mean drat 1058 pages and peeps still gettin owned
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Dec 23, 2014 20:22
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M31 posted:those php arrays sound pretty sweet to be honest. they should name them something different to set them apart from other plebeian languages, maybe something like "map" nah. PHP arrays do what "arrays" in other languages do but even better, so there's no reason to rename them. if PHP implemented regular "arrays" they should have a different name, like ShittyArray or maybe even SplFixedArray
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Dec 23, 2014 20:37
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MononcQc posted:PHP's arrays are a hybrid between arrays, sparse arrays, maps, and sets. They do it all with one data structure, so it's super expensive. exactly. this is why you have people like you see above scream and cry and whine about PHP arrays even though they are literally the same as old style arrays but even better. (from the standpoint of the end user of the programming language--the developer. maybe the arrays work differently on the inside, but that doesn't matter.) you can pretend a PHP array is an old array and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but because there might possibly be some miniscule performance hit, the useless academics ooze out of the woodwork to bitch. developers shouldn't have to care about stuff like how much memory an array uses, and with PHP you don't.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:44
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memory and cpu usage doesn't matter as long as everything you do is completely insignificant it's the mental poison of PHP that has lead web devs to solutions like these as they acknowledge that no, the performance of their favorite scripting language is not up to par https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2010/02/02/hiphop-for-php--move-fast/
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Dec 23, 2014 20:53
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lol if you care about anything other than the following in a programming language: - is there too many curly braces - is there not enough curly braces - do you have to put a period on top of a comma symbol after very line - what good apps use it - is there a sublime text plugin for it that's good - do you have to write var - does anyone stupid evangelize it that's it
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Dec 23, 2014 21:01
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fleshweasel posted:memory and cpu usage doesn't matter as long as everything you do is completely insignificant what exactly is it that you're bitching about here? that they made a faster interpreter? that's exactly what they should be doing. code should always be written in the clearest, most straightforward manner possible. if you're worried about performance you're not going to do that; instead you're going to add all kinds of little hacks and "optimizations". (and of course most developers rely on nothing but the power of belief when it comes to these optimizations. what are benchmarks?? i learned about this in my CS class, it must be faster!) i readily admit that PHP's performance needs to be improved. the only place that can happen is the interpreter. and PHPNG, by all accounts, looks like it's going to be a quantum leap in terms of performance. the future of PHP has never been brighter 
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Dec 23, 2014 21:05
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Tiny Bug Child posted:the future of PHP has never been brighter php burning on the garbage heap of old and poo poo technologies nobody really wants to work with any more does put out a fair bit of light i guess yeah 30 years ago you'd have been evangelising REXX i bet
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Dec 23, 2014 21:08
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Tiny Bug Child posted:what exactly is it that you're bitching about here? that they made a faster interpreter? that's exactly what they should be doing. tbc.. was right
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Dec 23, 2014 21:12
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if writing clear code makes ur code slower, something in ur language or tools is bad.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:13
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PleasureKevin posted:- do you have to put a period on top of a comma symbol after very line this one's called a semicolon. you might not have learned about it since most bloggers don't use them.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:16
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they should be using a better language in the first place. have you ever done any kind of performance profiling because this is a thing that devs do. premature optimization or optimizing on hunches is stupid too but if you know your tools at all you are aware of how to identify bottlenecks
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Dec 23, 2014 21:18
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Mr Dog posted:php burning on the garbage heap of old and poo poo technologies nobody really wants to work with any more does put out a fair bit of light i guess yeah it's cute that web hipsters think it matters that they're prissy bitches who don't want to work with anything other than their precious perubythonode. maybe it would matter if they ever stuck with one language long enough for it to build up momentum, but python basically committed purist seppuku, ruby enthusiasm is dying out, and lol @ node meanwhile product managers and bosses with actual sense go "hey, what's been around for a while, is reliable, powers lots of heavily used big-name sites, and we can find lots of developers for. ok PHP it is"
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Dec 23, 2014 21:22
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fleshweasel posted:they should be using a better language in the first place. well now you're not only talking about an imaginary ideal language, but imaginary ideal developers too, on an imaginary ideal project where they got to pick what language they used. a fitting line of argument for a useless academic
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Dec 23, 2014 21:23
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it's funny that php and js are getting the most performance boosts because 2 companies are literally throwing millions of man hours trying to improve them
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Dec 23, 2014 21:24
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i finally got my bespoke artisinal lovingly-handcrafted float to string routines to pass the test harness for every float in the domain i needed to display (about 2.4 bn out of the 4.4 bn single precision floats). the effort was complicated by some instances where fcvt_r() rounds some numbers which have a trailing 5 incorrectly.  now i;ve got my kilobytes back and one less dependency on a newlib routine
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Dec 23, 2014 21:25
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the gods of capitalism are pissing on every CS phd ever to have phd'd
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Dec 23, 2014 21:26
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Blotto Skorzany posted:i finally got my bespoke artisinal lovingly-handcrafted float to string routines to pass the test harness for every float in the domain i needed to display (about 2.4 bn out of the 4.4 bn single precision floats). the effort was complicated by some instances where fcvt_r() rounds some numbers which have a trailing 5 incorrectly. white & steele not good enuff for u or maybe grisu?????
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Dec 23, 2014 21:29
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Tiny Bug Child posted:it's cute that web hipsters think it matters that they're prissy bitches who don't want to work with anything other than their precious perubythonode. maybe it would matter if they ever stuck with one language long enough for it to build up momentum, but python basically committed purist seppuku, ruby enthusiasm is dying out, and lol @ node
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Dec 23, 2014 21:30
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FamDav posted:this one's called a semicolon. you might not have learned about it since most bloggers don't use them. if u use semicolons or are attracted to languags which use semicolons you should consider taking yourself in for a semicolonoscopy
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Dec 23, 2014 21:34
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FamDav posted:Java or c++ I think you meant c# there, nobody writes webs in c++ but asp is pretty good if shaggar is to be believed
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Dec 23, 2014 21:44
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I would not write web stuff in anything other than the current aspnetwebstack these days. its too good.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:45
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shaggar whats the diffenece between all of these i just want to make a web site which one should i click on
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Dec 23, 2014 21:49
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MVC 4 web application.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:50
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ok thanks!
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Dec 23, 2014 21:50
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Shaggar posted:I would not write web stuff in anything other than the current aspnetwebstack these days. its too good. i am currently attempting to do a web for not quite the first time (crapped out a couple little toy things in python cgi scripts) in asp.net and it seems p decent, not that ive done much yet
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Dec 23, 2014 22:13
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MVC and WebAPI are excellent frameworks and the one problem with them is they have a lot of overlap, but they're being merged in vnext which comes out next year but is in community preview in vs2015 if ur feeling brave.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:15
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lead guy in my group is trying to hard sell node by telling everyone it's better than webapi which is what the current rest stack is in I asked him why he thinks it's better and he said it's faster and easier to write he's never written anything using node I asked him which of the 20 half finished sql server drivers he plans on using, but he hasn't figured that out yet
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Dec 23, 2014 22:17
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woah this is pretty cool
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Dec 23, 2014 22:17
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tiny bug child you should try this it even has arrays!
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Dec 23, 2014 22:18
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the idea of node is an actual mind virus infecting enterprise developers and managers that are desperately trying to sound relevant
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Dec 23, 2014 22:18
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AWWNAW posted:lead guy in my group is trying to hard sell node by telling everyone it's better than webapi which is what the current rest stack is in node is really bad and idk where hes getting the idea that it would be faster than webapi. like is he the kind of guy who gets mad at descriptive variable names and brackets?
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Dec 23, 2014 22:19
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Shaggar posted:MVC and WebAPI are excellent frameworks and the one problem with them is they have a lot of overlap, but they're being merged in vnext which comes out next year but is in community preview in vs2015 if ur feeling brave. im using vs2015 preview because this is a toy project so what the hell seems really nice, got an occasional crash or thing that stopped working until i restarted it but coming from embdev land this stuff is fantastic
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Dec 23, 2014 22:20
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Dicky B posted:woah this is pretty cool yeah. don't use viewbag even tho it has it in the default template. use real models pls!
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Dec 23, 2014 22:20
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Shaggar posted:node is really bad and idk where hes getting the idea that it would be faster than webapi. like is he the kind of guy who gets mad at descriptive variable names and brackets? he tab aligns variable assignments
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Dec 23, 2014 22:21
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Shaggar posted:yeah. don't use viewbag even tho it has it in the default template. use real models pls!
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Dec 23, 2014 22:24
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we had a dude trying to evangelise node at our place and the senior developers came back with a nice patronising "ok let's wait and see if it lasts any longer than the last ten next big things"
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Dec 23, 2014 22:24
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Arcsech posted:im using vs2015 preview because this is a toy project so what the hell also make sure to setup ur free team fortress server on visualstudio.com so u can use it for source control + maybe project planning if u want but also if u want to put it on a server u just get azure web site in ur account and publish ur project 2 the site and blam theres u webzone ready 2 go.
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Dicky B posted:ok i am following this training course atm and everything seems very cogent. I'm used to MVC style development but only in desktop apps just fyi entity framework is a big pos but these are ok courses for the most part.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:27
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