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Wow MAGAs in this thread are flipping over backwards to defend lying under oath. Incredible.
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runupon cracker posted:You seem to know a lot about what Sessions did with the ASC, so I have a few questions for you: NPR had a list of different ambassadors he met with last year they were rattling off this morning. Japan is the big one I remember.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:28
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I'm not a MAGA I just feel like this is nitpicky bullshit that isn't very important in light of the overwhelming amount of other stupid poo poo going on.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:29
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no you dont understand pizzagate is the russians
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Mar 2, 2017 21:29
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sincx posted:Wow MAGAs in this thread are flipping over backwards to defend lying under oath. Incredible. yeah lying under oath is basically a complete and direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election. don't you read the news?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:29
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sincx posted:Wow MAGAs in this thread are flipping over backwards to defend lying under oath. Incredible. Hahaha "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
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Mar 2, 2017 21:30
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runupon cracker posted:You seem to know a lot about what Sessions did with the ASC, so I have a few questions for you: I dunno man, but this is pretty funny  The whole story being pushed is that he misled them under oath and should be charged with perjury, when it's obvious to anyone not trying to politicize things he was specifically talking about Russian communications in his capacity as a surrogate and was answering the specific question asked to him.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:30
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i never received or sent any material that was marked classified
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Mar 2, 2017 21:31
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Poetic Justice posted:it's obvious to anyone not trying to politicize things he was specifically talking about Russian communications in his capacity as a surrogate. right? like wtf I'm all radical leftist over here and even I can see that press conference later today though should be a good one ima lol heartily if he resigns
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Mar 2, 2017 21:31
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Poetic Justice posted:I dunno man, but this is pretty funny yeah way to fall for the fake news dude. he lied under oath, which makes sense for someone that's part of trump's cambinet. i dunno how you can believe that they DIDN"T lie under oath?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:32
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who cares if it's retarded let's get pence in the white house lol
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Mar 2, 2017 21:32
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Mar 2, 2017 21:32
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Moridin920 posted:right? like wtf I'm all radical leftist over here and even I can see that It really is a stretch, but apparently it's working and people are eating it up 
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Mar 2, 2017 21:32
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Poetic Justice posted:I dunno man, but this is pretty funny I assert that meeting with the Russian ambassador--known spy from a hostile foreign power--is plenty bad by itself. But even if you disagree with that, there's no excuse for not being 100% truthful under oath. It has to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Sessions outright lied. And even with all your mental gymnastics, he certainly and deliberately did not tell the whole truth. That's perjury. Clinton was impeached for not being truthful about a blowjob. You want Sessions to get away with perjury regarding contact with a hostile foreign power, a foreign power whose stated goals were to weak the US by interfering with its election?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:33
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sincx posted:LOL the Trumpzstaffel is out in full force today. There was nothing narrow about it. Maybe actually read the transcript instead of just listening to Fox? Translation: I did not have communications with the Russians (about this that you just asked me about) The fact that you bozos have Franken in a position such as he is is just as bad as Trump being in his position that whackos installed him.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:34
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a simple solution to this would be to just find out what the two meetings were about, and what was discussed, id think
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Mar 2, 2017 21:34
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The thing is he didn't outright lie if you consider the "(about this that you just asked me about)" bit so that's where people are going "chill out man."Kjoery posted:a simple solution to this would be to just find out what the two meetings were about, and what was discussed, id think That's fine w/ me, more information isn't bad.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:34
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sincx posted:I assert that meeting with the Russian ambassador--known spy from a hostile foreign power-is bad. But even if you disagree with that, there's no excuse for not being 100% truthful under oath. It has to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. you do realize this is russia we're talking about, right? like, the Russia IRL. the one run by putin. not the russia run by Yuri from Red Alert 2
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Mar 2, 2017 21:35
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sincx posted:I assert that meeting with the Russian ambassador--known spy from a hostile foreign power--is plenty bad by itself. But even if you disagree with that, there's no excuse for not being 100% truthful under oath. It has to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. What's it like to be as delusional as the opposing side?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:36
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Moridin920 posted:The thing is he didn't outright lie if you consider the "(about this that you just asked me about)" bit so that's where people are going "chill out man." Withholding material information is the same as outright lying.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:36
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Frijolero posted:
dude, so you want Sessions to get away with perjury? regarding contact with a hostile foreign power? a HOSTILE foreign power????
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Mar 2, 2017 21:37
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sincx posted:I assert that meeting with the Russian ambassador--known spy from a hostile foreign power--is plenty bad by itself. But even if you disagree with that, there's no excuse for not being 100% truthful under oath. It has to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, nice way to frame the argument that if I don't want him to be prosecuted with perjury (which I would say he didn't, since he answered the question being asked him), I must be for RUSSIA taking down ARE FREEDOMS. I'm going to disengage from this conversation, I feel like we won't ever agree with each other on this, and that is OK!
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Mar 2, 2017 21:37
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Knight posted:Yeah, not buying it, and seeing how congressional Republicans are calling for him to recuse himself, I'd say that argument is something for frogmen to tell themselves as they rock back and forward worrying that things have begun mattering again. McCain and Graham have done this at every turn and are the most rino of all rinos. gently caress them both.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:37
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sincx posted:Withholding material information is the same as outright lying. Well it isn't material information if the meetings have 0 relevance to the allegations Al Franken was talking about. So whether or not it was perjury hinges on what the meetings/calls were about. You can't just blanket state it was definitively a lie without knowing that information.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:38
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nigga crab pollock posted:you do realize this is russia we're talking about, right? like, the Russia IRL. the one run by putin. not the russia run by Yuri from Red Alert 2 Yes, the country whose leaders invade weaker neighbors, assassinates journalists and political opponents domestically and abroad, and funds extremist movements in stable democracies to bring the world down to its level. That's exactly the Russia I'm talking about.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:38
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Poetic Justice posted:So, nice way to frame the argument that if I don't want him to be prosecuted with perjury (which I would say he didn't, since he answered the question being asked him), I must be for RUSSIA taking down ARE FREEDOMS. I'm going to disengage from this conversation, I feel like we won't ever agree with each other on this, and that is OK! Yeah if you don't think Russia is bad, you are wayyyy to far down in the alt-right hole for a conversation with you to be productive.
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sincx posted:Yes, the country whose leaders invade weaker neighbors, assassinates journalists and political opponents domestically and abroad, and funds extremist movements in stable democracies to bring the world down to its level. That's exactly the Russia I'm talking about. sounds like Saudi Arabia to me It's not that Russia isn't bad, it's that they aren't so bad we can't have diplomatic relations w/ them wtf?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:39
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I think it's more Russian than American to presume guilt before innocence, personally.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:39
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Moridin920 posted:I'm not a MAGA I just feel like this is nitpicky bullshit that isn't very important in light of the overwhelming amount of other stupid poo poo going on. Also, the super-focus on Russia by the Democrats is, very transparently, an attempt for the Clintonite wing of the party to a) deflect criticism for their monumental fuckup in the last election b) further the growing connections between neo-conservatives and Democratic hawks in the party that the Clinton campaign was nurishing in the first place, that would coincide with not really moving the party in a more social democratic direction. This has been true for months and if you look at who's tweeting about this the most it's easy to put together where the energy for this stuff is coming from. This isn't to exonerate Trump but it's worth considering.
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Wiped? Like with a cloth?
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Mar 2, 2017 21:39
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nigga crab pollock posted:yeah lying under oath is basically a complete and direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election. don't you read the news? Protip: you can maintain a healthy skepticism about the degree of Russian involvement in the election while still thinking Sessions should be removed from office or, at a bare minimum, removed from overseeing any investigations/prosecutions focused on the area that he lied about under oath.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:40
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sincx posted:Yes, the country whose leaders invade weaker neighbors, assassinates journalists and political opponents domestically and abroad, and funds extremist movements in stable democracies to bring the world down to its level. That's exactly the Russia I'm talking about. hmm good points lots of good evidence there that russia interfered with the election you loving moron
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Mar 2, 2017 21:40
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Poetic Justice posted:I think it's more Russian than American to presume guilt before innocence, personally. So, like all the BUT HER EMAIL stuff? If you want to get all "whataboutthat", I can too.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:40
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nigga crab pollock posted:dude, so you want Sessions to get away with perjury? regarding contact with a hostile foreign power? a HOSTILE foreign power???? What's the worst that could happen. It's not like Russia is an unstable autocracy with nuclear weapons or anything.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:41
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nigga crab pollock posted:hmm good points lots of good evidence there that russia interfered with the election you loving moron That's not what you asked for. But since you asked about this now, here you go: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/ http://www.npr.org/2017/01/05/508355408/intelligence-chiefs-stand-more-resolutely-behind-finding-of-russia-election-hack
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The Landstander posted:I think Trump's personal boner for Putin, explicitly framed around his authoritarianism, and the geopolitics of all this are definitely legitimate issues - but yeah, I can't really bring myself to give a poo poo about most of the Russia stuff that gets leaked to the WaPo every week or so. I'm for a full independent investigation into election interference and all that, but I'm not sure Sessions' answer there is evidence of some kind of major internal conspiracy. I agree with this post pretty much entirely. It's totally worth considering which is why I say more information isn't a bad thing. It's good to investigate our public officials; I'm just wary of people going "aha this is clearly perjury!!" on the basis of some fairly tenuous stuff. At the same time yeah, c'mon Clinton has been doing the Russian boogey man dance ever since she was running against Bernie and all the while our butt boys Saudi Arabia do the same or worse. At least women can drive in Russia.
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Kjoery posted:a simple solution to this would be to just find out what the two meetings were about, and what was discussed, id think Holy poo poo a reasonable post!
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LGD posted:Protip: you can maintain a healthy skepticism about the degree of Russian involvement in the election while still thinking Sessions should be removed from office or, at a bare minimum, removed from overseeing any investigations/prosecutions focused on the area that he lied about under oath. i never said anything about not removing him from office. im just saying that its basically a direct confirmation of the russian conspiracy to elect trump, that as we all know has been confirmed
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Mar 2, 2017 21:42
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i mean as an eastern european just loving lol if you think the russians are that competent to begin with maybe that's a racist statement but fwiw I don't think anyone is competent enough to influence US elections to that degree with that much secrecy
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LGD posted:Meeting with the Russian ambassador wasn't actually an expected part of that job, so the notion that it was normal/unexceptional doesn't really pass the laugh test. From the AP: "Sessions had more than 25 conversations with foreign ambassadors last year in his role as a U.S. senator and senior member of the Armed Services Committee, and had two separate interactions with Kislyak, the department confirmed. One was a visit in September in his capacity as a senator, similar to meetings with envoys from Britain, China, Germany and other nations, the department said. The other occurred in a group setting following a Heritage Foundation speech that Sessions gave during the Republican National Convention, when several ambassadors - including the Russian - approached him after the talk as he was leaving the stage, according to the department." He should totally avoid ambassadors from places that liberals would like us to be at war with.
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