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Donald trump 100% is being shown pro regime protesters in Iran and is being told that these are opposition begging America to come to their rescue.
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Al-Saqr posted:Donald trump 100% is being shown pro regime protesters in Iran and is being told that these are opposition begging America to come to their rescue. lol
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Jan 3, 2018 17:42
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Not only that, he's probably already authorized funds for opposition groups and is looking at intervention plans. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy by any measure, but that plans for such a conspiracy have already been laid on the table.
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Jan 3, 2018 17:46
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really great that iran is mashing the protesters into a fine pulp with trucks and hosing them down the drain
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Jan 3, 2018 17:48
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:really great that iran is mashing the protesters into a fine pulp with trucks and hosing them down the drain Making fun of disinformation =/= Iranian regime is good.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:really great that iran is mashing the protesters into a fine pulp with trucks and hosing them down the drain This is not funny ironically so I can only assume you're being unironic 
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Jan 3, 2018 17:53
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Frijolero posted:Not only that, he's probably already authorized funds for opposition groups and is looking at intervention plans. Luckily, all opposition will be organized through TRUMP Hotels event planning, and the funds will be harmlessly embezzled.
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Jan 3, 2018 18:00
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Often Abbreviated posted:Luckily, all opposition will be organized through TRUMP Hotels event planning, and the funds will be harmlessly embezzled. I mean the CIA has been a huge laughable fuckup for 70 years, but they still manage to get thousands of people killed.
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Jan 3, 2018 18:03
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i support the downfall of the clerics and more freedoms for iranians, but knowing the history of iran and US backed coups, a far right wing dictatorship is a far more likely outcome than a leftist government that respects human rights. the 2009 protests resulted in rouhani, which was good, so I hope those kinds of developments continue
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Jan 3, 2018 18:05
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there have been way more anti-govt protests in the us than in iran this past year, and its funny to watch the media conveniently ignore this while building a case for war with iran based on their anti-govt protests, but to be fair i'd be ok with a foreign govt bombing the poo poo out of dc and installing a new constitution
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Jan 3, 2018 18:08
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Karl Barks posted:i support the downfall of the clerics and more freedoms for iranians, but knowing the history of iran and US backed coups, a far right wing dictatorship is a far more likely outcome than a leftist government that respects human rights. the 2009 protests resulted in rouhani, which was good, so I hope those kinds of developments continue iran is nearly a far right wing dictatorship already though
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this is like saying boy shucks i hope the tzar can stabilize things, wouldn't want a right wing military dictatorship to potentially take over.
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Karl Barks posted:i support the downfall of the clerics and more freedoms for iranians, but knowing the history of iran and US backed coups, a far right wing dictatorship is a far more likely outcome than a leftist government that respects human rights. the 2009 protests resulted in rouhani, which was good, so I hope those kinds of developments continue  But as Westerners, I think our primary role should be shutting the gently caress up and being wary of our right-wing governments' support for "change" in Iran. We can't tell Iranians how to shape their country. What we CAN do is, firstly, condemn Western sanctions on Iran, and, secondly, ensure our governments don't mettle in Iran.
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Jan 3, 2018 18:11
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:this is like saying boy shucks i hope the tzar can stabilize things, wouldn't want a right wing military dictatorship to potentially take over. otoh protesting against your repressive right wing govt is not an invitation to the us to kill ur children with drones
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Al! posted:otoh protesting against your repressive right wing govt is not an invitation to the us to kill ur children with drones i mean cops are basically drones
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Jan 3, 2018 18:16
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:this is like saying boy shucks i hope the tzar can stabilize things, wouldn't want a right wing military dictatorship to potentially take over. i think most of the people in this thread who are cynical about the protests are mostly coming from the stand point of not wanting the US to get involved, which they almost certainly are. to your prior post, the iranian economy is definitely not right wing in the sense that it's not market based. it's majority public sector and there is a large amount of central planning.
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i mean it's hard to talk about the repression in Iran without pointing out it's a direct result of british and american meddling
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Karl Barks posted:i mean it's hard to talk about the repression in Iran without pointing out it's a direct result of british and american meddling
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I think anybody with half a brain already is well aware that the Iranian regime is really bad and horrible. I absolutely hate them for what they've done in the middle east especially what they did in Syria, but I'm not going to dive head-first into wishful thinking and swallow the obvious disinformation campaign, the Idea that what america has in store for them isnt even worse and will absolutely be even more repressive and murderous (see:- Egypt) are kidding themselves, and the amount of disinformation and coverage their getting compared to arab activists who go against americas allies in the region is hilarious to see. What I hope is that through these protests (if they develop and keep going) can knock some sense into the regime and start making a peaceful landing, they've already conquered four arab capitals and they've gotten as far as they could, it's time for them cash their chips in and start making meaningful changes and not make the same mistakes and dive headfirst into bloodshed the way other arab countries did. (and they had plenty a hand in, might I add). They already have mass participation in election, they already have parliamentary politics, they already have much of the things needed to make that soft landing and transition possible, I just hope the ayatollahs and the military establishment of the regime start allowing their people more say in their day to day. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 18:29 on Jan 3, 2018 |
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Al-Saqr posted:I think anybody with half a brain already is well aware that the Iranian regime is really bad and horrible. I absolutely hate them for what they've done in the middle east especially what they did in Syria, but the Idea that what america has in store for them isnt even worse and will absolutely be even more repressive and murderous (see:- Egypt) are kidding themselves, and the amount of disinformation and coverage their getting compared to arab activists who go against americas allies in the region is hilarious to see. Yes, but also the current situation is the making of both the government AND Western sanctions. We all know Iran needs to do a whole lot better, BUT the West is also at fault for the economic instability.
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Jan 3, 2018 18:29
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Frijolero posted:Yes, but also the current situation is the making of both the government AND Western sanctions. yeah obviously, the only reason why the corpse of egypt is still propped up is because america and it's allies are pumping insane amounts of money into the police state of that country, and the gulf countries have basically all the money in the world to delete their societies and buy off their population. it's a mixture of problems for sure.
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Karl Barks posted:i mean it's hard to talk about the repression in Iran without pointing out it's a direct result of british and american meddling crazy no matter how directly a regime is smashing heads it’s always the west’s fault
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:crazy no matter how directly a regime is smashing heads it’s always the west’s fault well there's never really been any reckoning for what we did soooo
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Karl Barks posted:well there's never really been any reckoning for what we did soooo if you want to pay for your sins as a westerner you can try 
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Lol
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bellingcat says you can clearly see US-manufactured equipment being used in this battle
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Jan 3, 2018 21:41
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Iranian government... bad.... American imperialism... also bad... *strains brain to maximum capacity to attempt to process the sheer breadth and complexity of these ideas* Sauds...bad...too? *brain explodes*
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I think you'll find that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is undergoing positive reforms.
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hot take, comin' through https://twitter.com/lawfareblog/status/948597473710362624
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Aliquid posted:hot take, comin' through those weapons would end up with ISIS somehow
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Jan 4, 2018 01:48
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It's speculated that a lot of protesters back Ajmadinnerjacket. So I don't know what arming them would accomplish.
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Speaking of, didn't he get barred from running for a third term back in april?
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Jan 4, 2018 02:17
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Hello. I am sent to receive American freedom weapons. My name? uh - Moderati Iranianandar
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RandomPauI posted:It's speculated that a lot of protesters back Ajmadinnerjacket. So I don't know what arming them would accomplish. they started in pro-ahmedinijad areas but they seem to be much broader now also any talk of american intervention, hypothetical or  current is pretty ridiculous considering the state department can barely coordinate tillerson's dinner plans let alone an armed uprising in a country of 80 million people halfway around the world
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Fallen Hamprince posted:they started in pro-ahmedinijad areas but they seem to be much broader now but the supreme leader said so
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Jan 4, 2018 02:44
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no one said it was the state department, why would it be state and not defense or intel
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Fallen Hamprince posted:they started in pro-ahmedinijad areas but they seem to be much broader now it doesn't have to be an armed uprising they just have to kill people, because pure spite is the sole motivator. Read the article.
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Jan 4, 2018 02:56
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Frijolero posted:Imagine the protests resulting in Ahmadinejad coming to power Ahmadinejad rallied a lot of people before he was DQ'd from the presidential election by attacking Rouhani and the system from the economic left. I don't think this thread could handle it. I'm still expecting him to be the fall guy though. He'll probably end up on house arrest.
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