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I hope the AA2 Let's Play doesn't die. Farewell, My Turnabout is so good.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Is it just me or does anyone else find Larry and Oldbag both extremely annoying in all subsequent appearances compared to how they were in AA1? I liked Oldbag in 2, but otherwise, yeah. Larry had a couple good moments in 3 even if he spent most of it being needlessly obstinate.
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So Phoenix spends a couple days in and around court with some of these colorful characters, but Edgeworth has to deal with them every day of his life? The policeman's lot is not a happy one.
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Before we get to investigating, here's an overview of our evidence and profiles, since it's been a while since I've gone over them all:            The pendant has some stuff we can examine in detail, which I haven't gone over yet:    ! Oh no, Mr. Edgeworth! What? Did you find an important piece of evidence? This...is made of platinum silver! That makes this thing super-valuable! I've seen this type of jewelery at a lot of stores before, so I know it when I see it! .............Kay, if you ever laid so much as a finger on those pieces of jewelery... Wh-what? Me? I-I'd never do something like that! (........is it possible that she has never wanted to steal from a jewelery store before?)  Oh? And why would that be? You have no imagination, Mr. Edgeworth. Did you ever think that maybe people want to have their loved ones always nearby? It's not as if I have a wedding band, and I have no interest in accessorizing. *sigh* I suppose. Anyway, you know what? More than wearing flashy accessories, I'd rather be engraving my name into every treasure I can find all around the world! (A sign of affection is one thing, but blatant vandalizing is just a bit different.)And now, back to your regularly scheduled investigation. Re-creation ~ The Noble Thief’s Secret Weapon    Talking to Ema and Oldbag gives us these lines and the opportunity to recap what we just talked to them about. Enlightening.  Kay has more to say, though.   Yeah, of course! Pretty neat, huh? By inputting info like this, it can re-create the crime scene exactly as it was. Although, Little Thief was originally intended to be a training sim for heists... A training sim for thievery?! I don't believe I can turn a deaf ear to that, Kay. Bah, it's for practice! Practice! It's not like I've actually stolen anything yet! Besides, we're in the middle of an investigation! So stop nitpicking! Even if it is just "practice", I can't exactly endorse the act of stealing. Although, admittedly, this device is rather useful in an investigation. Full speed into tutorials.  Oh! That's right! I guess I should explain how to use it, huh? Objects outlined in yellow are things that are not present in our time, but were in the past. Things outlined in a dotted line are things that exist now, but didn't in the past. I see... You can examine and interact with replicated people and objects as you normally do. You can even present evidence whenever you find an inconsistency. Oh, and be sure to point out mistakes in the re-creation with evidence, too! Hmm...very well, let's continue with the investigation. If there's something you don't get about Little Thief, feel free to ask anytime, OK? I guess this means they're done for the day... Or maybe it's because a different show is scheduled to start its run tomorrow. Kay, is it not possible to re-create the face of the killer? Well, I can't exactly input what we don't know into Little Thief. (She has a point...) That's right. But...? But, if that's the case, then we've already found our first contradiction. Huh? What? Where?! If this is the real scene of the crime, there's something missing that should be here.Tricks And Gimmicks   Eh? Is something wrong with me re-creation? If this is the real scene of the crime, something specific should be here. If you think back, how did we deduce that the other crime scene was not the real one? Oh! I get what's missing now! There's no blood on the ground here either, right? Right. The fact that there is no blood here casts doubt on the witness's testimony.   I know what I saw! And I saw the victim get shot down! You know, I don't think she's lying, Mr. Edgeworth. (To be honest, I can't think of a reason why she would lie to me.) Logic ~ The Way To The Truth   So you really think that Mr. Deacon was one of the kidnappers? I think we can reasonably assume there is a very good chance that he was. And if he was shot while he was inside one of those stolen costumes... ...then Mr. Deacon's blood would be inside the costume instead of on the ground! Precisely. Now, if only we could prove that the victim was wearing a costume... You'd think it'd be pretty easy if we could find some footprints...but the problem is FINDING them, since there doesn't seem to be any around. (Footprints, huh...? I wonder how we can go about finding some of those...?)Re-creation ~ The Noble Thief’s Secret Weapon  Yes, I wonder. It's a very deep and complex mystery that requires a lot of thought to solve.   Ah, finally my expert knowledge in forensics is needed! Yes, well...can you detect and trace even partial footprints? Very well. If you could please analyze the footprints in this area... OK! Stand back now, and witness the power of science at work!Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters' Theme 2005   ? I don't see anything... Oh, that's right! Here, put these special glasses on, Mr. Edgeworth! Sadly, we don't get to see Edgeworth wearing pink science glasses. Judging by the way the prints are layered, those seem to be the newest. (Then...we can conclude that the victim was definitely wearing a costume at the time.)  I can't wait to see what we find out from this new info!Re-creation ~ The Noble Thief’s Secret Weapon   And with that, we should be one step closer to the truth, right? (Hmm...I see the re-creation has changed in accordance with the new information.) We may be closer, but now, something else has caught my attention. Your testimony, naturally. I'd like to hear it one more time, if you please.  Confrontation ~ Moderato 2009  I came to this stadium to take a short break. As I was resting, I happened to glance over and I saw two men facing each other in that area. Suddenly, there was a loud gunshot, and the person who was shot fell to the ground. It was a very terrifying experience, let me tell you! Yes, and I believe our best course of action is to compare it with your re-creation. See! I just KNEW Little Thief would be of help! Now let's see if we can pull more info from Ms. Oldbag to put into the re-creation! For that, we must first find the contradiction in her testimony. You might have noticed her testimony is exactly the same as last time. Her responses to pressing each piece of testimony are also the same.  So let's get to the point.    ...seeing as how the victim was wearing a costume at the time?! Ah! Furthermore, I have another matter that I'd like to inquire about! I'd very much like to know why you failed to mention the costume in your testimony?! Uwah! I'm beginning to doubt if you really witnessed the murder at all. But I'm telling you, I really did see it! I saw it with my very own eyes! .......from a seat in the second tier.Interesting People  That was...you know...I was using the phrase in the metaphorical sense...? (*sigh* I see our witness still has a screw loose, in the metaphorical sense.) Which is exactly why I go there now and again to take a nap! I can't see how you could've gotten a good look from there. It's so high up! Were you able to see even the victim's costume from way up there? Well, I know I saw two people. My eyesight isn't what it used to be, you know.  You got it! Re-creation ~ The Noble Thief’s Secret Weapon   Ah, it was nothing! I'm just glad that science and I could be of service! Pretty amazing how we could see the footprints. So what's the secret behind that thing? Oh, you want to know? Um...here, you can read the manual! Aha...very interesting...so if I do this, I can avoid leaving footprints... (She can't seriously be trying to use the information to her advantage as a thief...wait...)  The silhouettes can change depending on information I input. But Little Thief can re-create more than just people... So investigate away! We may even find more info with which to make a more accurate sim! Alright. Sounds like a plan. Despite what Kay just said, the way forward is not investigating at all and just using logic.  ...the murder occurred before the stage was broken down. Do you want me to input that bit of info into Little Thief? Yes, if you please.  Please stop stealing my lines! Oh, come on. It wasn't that hard to see it coming, even for a layman like me! I suppose. In any case, it's not possible for the killer to have stood here in that way... Yeesh, I told you I got it! Do you feel the need to explain everything?! Isn't it obvious? The killer was on top of the stage, naturally. Right, Ms. Oldbag?! Yes, I remember now! The killer was standing on top of the stage!  Shi-Long Lang ~ Lang Zi Says!    Agent Lang, we've discovered that the real scene of the murder is here, the stadium. I see. Thanks. For what? I'm just trying to show you my appreciation for all the time you saved me. Who knew that such a strange little toy could re-create a crime scene like that. Little Thief is NOT a toy!   And there you have it. You see? Big boys like me don't need silly toys, little girl.  So what? Do you still intend to assert that Officer Meekins is the killer? Of course. Even knowing that the crime took place here doesn't let him off the hook. Welp.
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drat, I was hoping for more of Oldbag driving Edgeworth bonkers. Does she show up again later to torment him further?
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Haifisch, when is the (mild background detail) Phoenix Wright cameo?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Haifisch, when is the (mild background detail) Phoenix Wright cameo?
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Oh good. I thought we might have missed it.
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Edgeworth is already a heart-stopper, but if we saw him wear Ema's he would ascend to a straight up 60s Mod fashion icon. The criminal justice sector of the PW world is in such a sorry state that Shi-Long Lang saying "thanks" is a remarkable act of decorum.
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Confrontation ~ Allegro 2009 This is the real scene of the crime. Officer Meekins lay in wait for the victim on top of the stage. And when the victim finally showed, he shot him from on high! That's the truth your little re-creation showed. He's the most likely suspect we've got, especially given the situation with his gun. Well, even if he is the killer, at least my re-creation was on the mark. You see? Thank you for understanding, my little crow-girl. Grr...I'm not some common crow! I'm the Yatagarasu! The raven of legend! Unfortunately, your conclusion has yet to be tested, so let's see how well it holds up.  Looks like we found the real crime scene first. Ha! Brag all you want, but we don't have all that free time, unlike the two of you. Heh heh. You know what you remind me of? A dog licking his wounds as he whimpers home! Well, I guess I should be thankful for all the time you saved me. Xie xie. That's how we say "thanks" in my country.In case you haven't caught on yet, the Republic of Zheng Fa is Very Definitely Not China. Y-you're welcome. (I hope he realizes we didn't do all this for him...) But I'm here now, so I'll be taking over! As I was saying, this is where the crime took place. Lying in wait? How did Officer Meekins even know the victim was going to come here? Simple. He was investigating the kidnappers, right? And while he was doing so, he came to understand the victim, Mr. Deacon's movements. Hah! And why would the good officer want to ambush and kill a kidnapper? You mean his motive? Who knows, and who cares. You can find that out for yourself when you talk to him in jail. Hmph. You have no respect for the order of law. Don't get me wrong, but I need more than "there's no motive!" to convince me otherwise. (He's right. The lack of a motive is a rather weak argument by itself.) So the officer lay in wait on top of the stage... So you agree with how our re-creation turned out...? Like I'm said, I'm grateful that you were able to save me some time. Alright, but we still don't know why he chose to wait on top of the stage. Who cares. Maybe he wanted to become the Blue Badger. Who's to say he didn't see the stage and decided to put on a Badger stage show of his own? (Or maybe there's a completely different reason...?) What does it matter?! It still doesn't change the fact that Officer Meekins... ...stood up on that stage and shot the victim on the ground below. So you honestly believe that what you're saying is what really occurred? Hey, you're the ones who came up with this scenario. Are you saying you doubt yourselves? Nnngh...touche... And loop. Hmm...then, does that mean it all went down just as he says? No, not quite. (I wonder if what we had re-created earlier was the whole truth?)So what's the problem? Well, let's refresh ourselves on the crime scene notes:    I should have warned you that our re-creation is incomplete. You cut in quite unexpectedly, after all. What's that supposed to mean?Miles Edgeworth ~ Objection! 2009 You said that the victim was shot by the killer from up above, correct? I hate to break it to you, but that's not possible. Huh? Why not? Recall Mr. Deacon's body, specifically, where the gunshot wounds were located. ........actually, I didn't get that good of a look. Oh. Well then.  Kngh! Yes, our re-creation had the victim being shot at an angle from above. A clear contradiction! You're discounting your own conclusions?! No, this one point is the only flaw. Time for another round of wrong responses. That's right. The location of the stage was wrong. You mean the stage was in a totally different spot than where it is now? Yes, the stage was situated where the victim was standing in our simulation. Hah! Are you out of your mind, Mr. Prosecutor?! I've never heard of a stage show where the stage actually blocks the audience's view! I-I suppose not... But I swear I know the reason for the error!>The witness's location The location of the witness was our mistake. Edgey-poo! How can you betray me like this?! Your testimony was riddled with vague statements. Hey, now. I can't let you get away with bad-mouthing a very valuable witness! Besides, if you're saying it was wrong for you to think she saw it from far away, then, perhaps she saw it from up close? That'd make her story even more trustworthy. I-I didn't mean it that way... Edgey-poo! You can do it! Hang in there! (So the wrong parameter was not where the witness was...in that case...!)In that case it's the obviously correct answer, which is so staggeringly obviously correct that it feels like this question was padding for time. >The killer's & victim's locations Yes, the locations of the killer and the victim were wrong. Ah, I get it. I see what you're trying to say! I believe the killer and the victim were standing opposite to what we initially thought. Re-creation ~ The Noble Thief’s Secret Weapon  But then, what about the footprints? Since footprints don't lie, we can assume then, that the killer also wore a costume. OK! I'll try using that data instead! ...I'd say it was a killing between the two kidnappers. That would be the most natural conclusion. Wouldn't you agree, Agent Lang? Hmph. Well done, Mr. Prosecutor!   Confrontation ~ Allegro 2009 I ask that you take another good look at the tire marks over there. The three marks are indicative of the Blue Badgermobile. That story Officer Meekins told about that shop on wheels getting stolen was just a lie. He drove the Blue Badgermobile here and committed the murder. Then, he used the car to move the body to the garage in the Wild, Wild West Area. That's right. It was Officer Meekins himself who pointed us to the way he did it. (The three-tired tread marks are very telling, however...is the Blue Badgermobile the only thing capable of making such a pattern?)  The tire marks...? Yes, the tire marks. The ones there behind the stage. Helpful pan. The Troupe Gramarye really brings disaster with them wherever they go, don't they? They were hidden up until now by the various pieces of stage equipment. As for when they were made... ...they must have been made after the rain begun to fall, correct? Yes, and probably around the same time as when the killer's footprints were made. The tires on that Blue Badgermobile probably got pretty muddy because of that. I say it's the Blue Badgermobile because, well, that's pretty obvious, too. Three tire marks...I have to agree that the Blue Badgermobile has three tires. Of course! The only thing in this park that could make those marks is that roving shop. Are you forgetting that there are, in fact, three of them? You can't simply ignore the Pink and the Proto Badgermobiles, Agent Lang. Of course, I didn't say it couldn't be either of the other two... ...but I see no reason to drag them into this just to complicate things! Of course, you have some sort of proof that it was all a lie, correct? Of course not. Well, that was blunt. But, suppose it is a lie. It would explain a lot of things. Like his movements and his whereabouts. So you still claim that the tire marks belonged to the Blue Badgermobile? It must have arrived on the scene after the ground had become wet with rain. Officer Meekins committed the murder. Besides the Blue Badgermobile, there are other ways the body could've been moved. Recall what the Wild, Wild West Area looked like. (I suppose if one were to look at that place, that would be the only logical conclusion. However, my experience tells me that the truth is usually not so easily found. Is there some sort of problem with Agent Lang's statement with regard to that scene?) And loop. Only if what Agent Lang believes turns out to be true. (The three-tired treadmarks are telling, however...is the Blue Badgermobile the only thing capable of creating such a pattern?) Despite Edgeworth's comment at the end of the loop, the actual problem is whether the Blue Badgermobile was possibly at the scene at all. The game does hint at that a little by highlighting 'muddy' during the first Press. We're finally at the point where you have to think about things slightly. Hooray? Sorry, Agent Lang, but that's an impossible tale. And why is that?Pursuit ~ Lying Coldly Those tire marks could not have been left by Officer Meekins's Blue Badgermobile! One look at the car would've told you so!  I'm showing this off mostly because it's an example of the target area being kind of bullshit. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking at. Perhaps you're a bit worn down by all this excitement, Mr. Prosecutor? It's none of your business. Just allow me to explain it once again. Yes, it's the tires. Just like I was selecting last time.  Nngh! If this car had come to the backstage area and left those tire tracks, then the lack of mud on these tires stands out as very peculiar indeed.  Don't be ridiculous! I was sleeping the entire time in the second tier seats! Indeed, I believe we can rule her out as someone related to the crime. However, there is yet one more roving store, as I recall.  And it proves the existence of a Proto Badgermobile. There must still be some sort of incriminating evidence on it. Nngh.............Silence  Hey, did you hear something????: H.........hel....... Suspense    Well, this is something! Looks like we've found our kidnapping victim. Where were you all this time? Wild West...with kidnappers... (He was in the room next to the one I was held in?!) Ran away using underground...and got lost...th-the kidnappers... Hm? What is it?! I can't understand what you're trying to say! Th-the kidnappers...escaped...wearing costumes... Did you see the faces of your kidnappers?! No...I didn't see their faces...but...two...one was a w-woman... (A woman...?) Quite an important piece of testimony.   Akgn... (Again...?) You're nothing but a big bully! Come on, Mr. Edgeworth! Let's go! Oh, no, no, no. Not you. You're a very important witness for my case. I'm not about to let you get away that easily.  Hey, calm down. There's no need for all this hostility. I just want to take a statement from each of you. I'm not going to rough either of you up. I give you my word. Come now, fair maidens. What do you say? Will you cooperate? "Fair maidens"...? My, you little rascal! You sure know the way into a woman's heart. "The passage of time is but a fleeting moment", and a lady is young forever. ...hmph! Trying to outdo my Edgey-poo with your fancy-schmancy sayings. Let's get this over with. So we're clear, I'm only interested in giving you my statement. Sure, just as soon as Mr. Prosecutor leaves us be. 
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Yeah, what the gently caress "Oh, he just gave a statement and died. Now, how can I score points in this dick measuring contest with Edgeworth?"
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"Do you have any proof?" "No." "What about the other two vehicles." "W-well, I guess they could have been involved, but I didn't bring them up to avoid overcomplicating things." How is this even a debate?
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Edgeworth's so used to Phoenix making dumb bullshit arguments that somehow turn out to be right that he gives other people too much benefit of the doubt.
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tbf the argument here isn't about whether Meekins is provably guilty of the crime, but whether there's reasonable cause to consider him a suspect.
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Torrannor posted:Yeah, what the gently caress There's no blood, that means he's just a little sleepy.  Justice does not take naps!
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Haifisch posted:
This pisses me off. The rain and mud stuff sounds potentially complicated and confusing. Hope they keep that to a simple binary mud/no-mud thing, instead of like: Perpetrator does things before the rain / During the rain and leaves evidence like muddy footprints (possibly intentionally) / During the rain and lets rain wash evidence away / Does things after the rain stops.
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It sure is useful the killers played around with all these distinctive costumes and vehicles instead of trying to avoid drawing attention to themselves.
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Well, they're in an amusement park with costumed mascots all over the place. When you're at a costume party, not showing up incognito is inherently conspicuous.
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Cerebral Bore posted:tbf the argument here isn't about whether Meekins is provably guilty of the crime, but whether there's reasonable cause to consider him a suspect. Lang even already stated he does not give a poo poo about things like motive, and if the guy actually did the crime. That's the job of guys like Edgeworth. He views his job as arresting anyone that he thinks could have done the crime, then letting the Justice System sort out the right answers.
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Even holding him for suspicion without charging him outright for the crime would be sensible, because he's suspicious as hell. Now in the US, you can only do so until you get to the point you have to arraign the guy and either formally charge him with a crime or let him go, but for a few hours he's sitting in detention while you figure out whether he's a benign fuckup or a malign fuckup and that's honestly as much as someone like Meekins deserves. This being Japanifornia though I'd not be surprised that they've skipped the indictment/arraignment steps and go straight to "do we execute him today or tomorrow" so Edgeworth being stubborn is fine given the weirdness of the setting's system.
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I mean, in Japanifornia, your client gets convicted even if you can prove that they aren't guilty. You have to prove somebody else's guilt to keep them out of prison.
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Torrannor posted:I mean, in Japanifornia, your client gets convicted even if you can prove that they aren't guilty. You have to prove somebody else's guilt to keep them out of prison. Not necessarily. Mors Rattus posted:
Before Wellington shows up in 2-1, the Judge was about to declare Maggey innocent of the crime after Phoenix cast sufficient doubt on the prosecution's argument.
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: Mr. Payne.
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: Alright! You did it, Mr. Wright!
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Not necessarily. On the other hand, sometimes you get a game over when you've already proved that your client was innocent and they get convicted anyway. They've gotten better at having different failure states depending on trial progress more recently, though, so it's more an oversight that anything else.
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Yeah, starting with Dual Destinies, they’ve gotten way better at writing “alternative” bad endings where you don’t really lose, but you don’t really win, either. And dammit Capcom, when are we getting an AA7 announcement? 
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Epicmissingno posted:On the other hand, sometimes you get a game over when you've already proved that your client was innocent and they get convicted anyway. Ace Attorney vs. Layton had one of the most jarring examples I can think of.
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kw0134 posted:Even holding him for suspicion without charging him outright for the crime would be sensible, because he's suspicious as hell. Now in the US, you can only do so until you get to the point you have to arraign the guy and either formally charge him with a crime or let him go, but for a few hours he's sitting in detention while you figure out whether he's a benign fuckup or a malign fuckup and that's honestly as much as someone like Meekins deserves. That's actually what Lang said. Telling Edgeworth to interrogate him in detention and find out if he has a motive or not. Edgeworth is just trying to keep Lang from arresting him in the first place, because he dislikes Lang's grab anyone suspicious and let the law sort em out later methods
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MonsterEnvy posted:That's actually what Lang said. Telling Edgeworth to interrogate him in detention and find out if he has a motive or not. Especially since it makes a very poor mixture with his old Von Karma methods. Von Karma: It's the police's job to catch the right person. I'm just supposed to convict anyone they put in front of me. Lang: It's the Police's job to arrest anyone suspicious. It's up to the court to figure out what, if anything, they actually did. Edgeworth: Now wait a minute-
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Lang is probably personally very jarring to Edgeworth because he was a von Karma until Phoenix showed up, so he knows exactly how hosed someone arrested on spurious charges in Japanifornia will be.
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Yes in reality holding someone to get more info is perfectly legit, and is not a means to hand off work to the prosecutors since by definition it's part of an ongoing investigation that will be done by the same police. Being detained as a person of interest is not unusual, there's a reason half of a "Law and Order" episode is a detective in a room with one or more suspects having a chat. In Japanifornia it's the first step to having someone judicially killed.
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Non-LP related announcement: Lowtax is broke. Give him money if you can.
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Lang probably knows little about the judicial proceedings of Japanifornia. He is an interpol guy from another country entirely.
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Let's talk about the elephant in the room: murderer or not, Meeks is obviously a spy from a completely different franchise. I mean, just look at him. His art style is completely wrong!
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That's just part of the curse of being Officer Meekins. No matter where he goes, he never quite fits in.
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Good news: This isn't dead. I've recorded through the end of this chapter. Bad news: I've been too lazy and distracted by other games to have an actual update ready. As penance, have a bunch of concept art.       And my all-time favorite, some extremely beta artwork featuring Edgeworth as Generic McEvil. 
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