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Motto posted:the fact that, as software, games can be deconstructed, modified, or recreated for the sake of alteration or reimagining by theoretically anyone on a level not realistically possible for most other mediums is a good and interesting thing about games, and wrt non-commercial efforts they're either reliant upon or, in the case of decompilations, actively part of preservation. You already have the OOT3D version getting lost because the one on Switch Online is based on the Gamecube port that had things like the changed block icon. e: I, on the other hand, attacked the Original Artistic Vision by playing it on a 2DS.
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Dunks are all well and good but we don't need to hear the same dunk several times in a row I think
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Alxprit posted:Dunks are all well and good but we don't need to hear the same dunk several times in a row I think I keep walking into the acorn and the dunk text pops up
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Nov 15, 2022 01:55
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In the spirit of Zelda we need to collect between 3-8 dunks to progress to the next stage of the game.
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Nov 15, 2022 02:31
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Seriously. I have to just pretend that it's all a huge joke/shitpost.
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Nov 15, 2022 02:51
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Playing Bloodborne on my PS5, loving FURIOUS that the versimilitude is ruined because I don't have 20 seconds to text girls on tinder after every death while the game loads.
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Nov 15, 2022 05:19
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MokBa posted:Playing Bloodborne on my PS5, loving FURIOUS that the versimilitude is ruined because I don't have 20 seconds to text girls on tinder after every death while the game loads. The funny thing is, I've actually gotten angry at PS5 games for loading too fast after getting used to them on PS4. Respect my attention deficit and stop popping me back into the game just as I reflexively check my phone, dammit  (no, I don't actually think that's a problem on the games' end)
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Nov 15, 2022 05:24
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DoctorWhat posted:The cultural vandalism is when the original art is memory-holed. Playing derivative works to the exclusion of the original is just depriving yourself - except insofar as Gameing culture makes the pursuit of "technical improvement" mainstream at the expense of source material. Except, by your definition, cultural vandalism occurs the first time a game is patched in any way and becomes derivative at that moment. Even if it's to stop game-breaking bugs on Day One that made players unable to fully experience the art piece as it was intended for them to enjoy. This also completely fails in games that have Alpha and Beta tests and feedback, where the player's "definitive" experience is a feature-incomplete build that can evolve daily.
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Nov 15, 2022 08:27
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Captain Hygiene posted:The funny thing is, I've actually gotten angry at PS5 games for loading too fast after getting used to them on PS4. Respect my attention deficit and stop popping me back into the game just as I reflexively check my phone, dammit Nothing is more annoying than PS5 ports of PS4 games that have loading screen tips you don't have time to read.
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Nov 15, 2022 09:16
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Except, by your definition, cultural vandalism occurs the first time a game is patched in any way and becomes derivative at that moment. Even if it's to stop game-breaking bugs on Day One that made players unable to fully experience the art piece as it was intended for them to enjoy. That's right, because intent doesn't matter in art. This is why preserving patches is so important, and why Live Services are an abomination.
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i'm glad humans will be extinct soon
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DoctorWhat posted:That's right, because intent doesn't matter in art. This is why preserving patches is so important, and why Live Services are an abomination. The ephemeral nature of live service games is an essential part of the depth and understanding of them as art, D-, please learn something if you're going to continue this
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Nov 15, 2022 17:16
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I just think Link's Awakening on Switch is a fun game.
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Shiroc posted:The ephemeral nature of live service games is an essential part of the depth and understanding of them as art, D-, please learn something if you're going to continue this Mm, true actually, my mistake; I failed my own holistic approach.
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Judge Tesla posted:I just think Link's Awakening on Switch is a fun game. Hard agree. I could never make it through the original because of the unskippable text boxes every time you brush past a pot, combined with the constant menu juggling due to only having two buttons to work with. It just drove me nuts! If that makes me shallow or whatever, then meh. I'll take that L and go play a version of the game that doesn't annoy me.
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Judge Tesla posted:I just think Link's Awakening on Switch is a fun game. 
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DoctorWhat posted:intent doesn't matter in art What the hell does this mean?
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Nov 15, 2022 17:28
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They’re trying to say Death of the Author but being very silly about it.
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The artist does not have sole and overriding proprietorship over how the art is received. If some event alters or recontextualizes an artwork after it leaves the hands of its intentional creators (writer, director, studio, publisher) but before or during its exhibition, too loving bad, that's what the art is now. If you make a movie about the life of Madonna, and Madonna dies unexpectedly the morning the movie is set to release, it doesn't matter whether you intended to make a memorial or just a celebration; it's a memorial now and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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I never would have played Link’s Awakening without the Switch version since I never got to it on Game Boy. I’m glad I got to have a version of a pocket adventure in a doomed dream world.
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DoctorWhat posted:The artist does not have sole and overriding proprietorship over how the art is received. If some event alters or recontextualizes an artwork after it leaves the hands of its intentional creators (writer, director, studio, publisher) but before or during its exhibition, too loving bad, that's what the art is now. If you make a movie about the life of Madonna, and Madonna dies unexpectedly the morning the movie is set to release, it doesn't matter whether you intended to make a memorial or just a celebration; it's a memorial now and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Death of the Author cannot apply in good faith for any work of art where an author is actively and continually profiting off of it. Say some extremist author writes a work about their views, but their views are so extreme that it's considered satire by the public at large. The profits from everyone buying that book as satire are still going to fund the original author's extremist views. This is not something that you can just shrug and go "Well, interpretation matters and not intent" because you are actively funding the intent. Death of the Author only matters if the Author is actually dead, basically.
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DanielCross posted:Death of the Author cannot apply in good faith for any work of art where an author is actively and continually profiting off of it. Say some extremist author writes a work about their views, but their views are so extreme that it's considered satire by the public at large. The profits from everyone buying that book as satire are still going to fund the original author's extremist views. This is not something that you can just shrug and go "Well, interpretation matters and not intent" because you are actively funding the intent. What if I  it though
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That, and also you could say the author is a zombie, having lost control of their work's reception but still manipulating the revenue to some end, confused or not. Such a thing could be realized and then further countermanded by piracy and counter donations and works made in response, like some zombie author who's become a shambling ecology of funguses and plants eating it as it eats others (and a bird nesting in one of it's eye sockets just for fun). Schrodinger's author's moving terrarium. This has all both been very thoughtful and good shitposts on both sides (but for real, ironically or not).
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It's impossible to return a work of art to its original context, because that context includes a society that is constantly subject to change. Curation is the act of placing art in a new context with some goal in mind. That goal is not necessarily to reconstruct a facsimile of some "original" experience, however.
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Both the artist's intent and all the things they said without realizing it super matter and aren't mutually exclusive.
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If I don't play LOZ with a smearing of potato chip oil on my hands while my older brother wails on me to relinquish the controller, I don't even consider it playing the game.
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DanielCross posted:Death of the Author cannot apply in good faith for any work of art where an author is actively and continually profiting off of it. Say some extremist author writes a work about their views, but their views are so extreme that it's considered satire by the public at large. The profits from everyone buying that book as satire are still going to fund the original author's extremist views. This is not something that you can just shrug and go "Well, interpretation matters and not intent" because you are actively funding the intent. What does any of that have to do with what I said, which is that authors do not have absolute omnipotent power over how their work is received and understood? The circumstances under which that art is received also shape the art itself; it's a holistic process. This doesn't have anything to do with whether it's okay to like Harry Potter or whatever, this is a simple statement of fact. Artists lack the godlike power to dictate the precise circumstances under which audiences receive and interpret their work.
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Nov 15, 2022 19:59
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This thread needs a new Zelda game stat
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It's simple, all of this discussion is pointless because video games are not art.
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The thread is in the downfall timeline because we didn’t collect all of the dunks when we had the chance.
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drat there’s a new Zelda out in six months
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There's only one thing worth taking away from these last few pages and it's that Tal Tal Heights is one of the best songs in the entire Zelda franchise and the Switch remake of Link's Awakening gave us three versions which makes it the best version
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The Merkinman posted:It's simple, all of this discussion is pointless because video games are not art.
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Namnesor posted:There's only one thing worth taking away from these last few pages and it's that Tal Tal Heights is one of the best songs in the entire Zelda franchise and the Switch remake of Link's Awakening gave us three versions which makes it the best version 
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External Organs posted:This thread needs a new Zelda game stat Do what I did a few days ago: start BoTW again.
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DoctorWhat posted:The artist does not have sole and overriding proprietorship over how the art is received. If some event alters or recontextualizes an artwork after it leaves the hands of its intentional creators (writer, director, studio, publisher) but before or during its exhibition, too loving bad, that's what the art is now. If you make a movie about the life of Madonna, and Madonna dies unexpectedly the morning the movie is set to release, it doesn't matter whether you intended to make a memorial or just a celebration; it's a memorial now and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. There's no wrong way to experience art, but yours is pretty drat close because it's rooted in pure willful ignorance, which is just about the antithesis of experiencing art itself. Your definition of your initial first glance at [Piece of Art] is the right one, and nothing else matters, with the key word being your. That means no effort to learn about the origins of the art piece, or context for how and why it came to be that might evolve your understanding and experience, just that first cold read of the piece with a deliberate intent to know nothing beyond seeing it with what you already know and learning anything past that blind experience is somehow derisive because it changes the context from your initial willfully-ignorant first impression. You fundamentally fail at art.
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Shiroc posted:Oh you stupid kid, you want a Playstation 5 to play God of War? You're going to sit right the down until you complete the curated hits of the Atari 2600 and you learn some loving appreciation. You absolutely should play Atari 50 instead of God of Bore https://twitter.com/itstheshadsy/status/1590954045371748352 jackhunter64 fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Games are better than art
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There's no wrong way to experience art, but yours is pretty drat close because it's rooted in pure willful ignorance, which is just about the antithesis of experiencing art itself. This definitely sums up what I was thinking when I first saw that take better than I ever could. In short - sure, art can change its meaning over time, but it's not changing its meaning towards the one you think is right and only that one. How selfish!
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