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birdstrike posted:relatedly here is a tip to make your Twitter feed readable for the next month: Its deffs not you
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I feel like government should have a policy (perhaps unpublicized to prevent perverse incentives) of only easing up on restrictions when %first dose and %second dose are fairly close. Opening up any time you've got a bunch of people just about to get their 2nd shot seems overly rushed. Then there's the period between the shot and maximum effectiveness. Doing anything less than holding off until you more-or-less stabilize at the max realistic vaccine percent before opening up is putting people at increased risk to save weeks. Ideally they'd slowly roll things out and watch what happens, only releasing additional restrictions when numbers show the previous is sustainable. The fact that it's just a bunch of changes at X% of pop with the 2nd jab makes it feel very arbitrary. Anyway, personally I'm not changing any of my habits (staying in my cave) until after we've had time to see what the government plan does to the spread of COVID. Probably a month or 2 before we have a good idea of how things will go and have actual relevant data to judge risks and make plans around.
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Phigs posted:I feel like government should have a policy (perhaps unpublicized to prevent perverse incentives) of only easing up on restrictions when %first dose and %second dose are fairly close. Opening up any time you've got a bunch of people just about to get their 2nd shot seems overly rushed. Then there's the period between the shot and maximum effectiveness. Doing anything less than holding off until you more-or-less stabilize at the max realistic vaccine percent before opening up is putting people at increased risk to save weeks. The 70% and 80% are very much political targets rather than healthcare ones. It is good to see NSW trying to keep the momentum going and aiming for 90+.
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Yeah it was good seeing the vaccination% map where almost all of greater Sydney was 80%+ first dose and a lot hitting 90+. A lot of regional NSW is not looking as good though, hopefully we can get those numbers up. The other thing I don't like about our open up is no requirement for masks outdoors. I'd like to see n95s for retail and hospitality workers as just standard PPE and at a minimum cloth masks required for everyone else whenever not in a private residence. Your mouth and nose should just become another thing you're required to cover in public IMO. If we do really well and COVID does become just the flu bro then we can consider no masks, but until then I can't see a justification for not requiring them. Acting like it's a huge burden is real dumb given the example Asia was setting even before COVID.
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Phigs posted:A lot of regional NSW is not looking as good though, hopefully we can get those numbers up. This is because the atagi advice re the clot juice was "okay, yeah, get it anyway if you're in a hot spot" and most of regional nsw hasn't been a hot spot for the duration of Sydney's meltdown even in the month we joined in on the lockdown fun so the pfizer opening for younger age groups at the end of August was the first time it was really in advice for most of us to actually start getting jabbed
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Lolie posted:The 70% and 80% are very much political targets rather than healthcare ones. It is good to see NSW trying to keep the momentum going and aiming for 90+. If we're talking about real health targets rather than political ones, then 95% of total population is typically the magic number when it comes to controlling disease. I have no idea if the magic numbers are the same for covid as they have been for other viruses though.
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bowmore posted:Relatives keep linking me this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/?fbclid=IwAR3IBoYelM3iWv1KKCuF2b8DFk9TmoLhFwkj2N1mMPkPJ8o7ejcsA4d53pg I wouldn't read it and who cares what they think you're doing
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Hungry Jack’s billionaire Jack Cowin has a stern message for Australia’s anti-vaxxers, as well as rogue states playing to their own rules.
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bowmore posted:Relatives keep linking me this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/?fbclid=IwAR3IBoYelM3iWv1KKCuF2b8DFk9TmoLhFwkj2N1mMPkPJ8o7ejcsA4d53pg I mean, it's a meta analysis of retracted or discredited studies, but even if we imagined that ivermectin works to control covid in humans (it doesn't), it is not a reason to not get vaccinated.
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Seemlar posted:You should probably have spent less time listening to covid-zero doomers, they are literally the only people who insisted 80% was "let er rip" time I didn't realise that Morrison was a loving covid-zero proponent, because for months now he's been lecturing any state that isn't on the East Coast how they need to "FOLLOW THE PLAN" at 80% and give people their freedoms back.
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Senor Tron posted:I didn't realise that Morrison was a loving covid-zero proponent, because for months now he's been lecturing any state that isn't on the East Coast how they need to "FOLLOW THE PLAN" at 80% and give people their freedoms back. Scomo's stance is that liberal states are good and labor states are bad. It looks bad that many labor states are doing great. So they need to be infected of course. It's also why he's focusing on WA and QLD as being bad despite having the same policies as NT, SA, and TAS. Read the actual national plan and related documents: https://pmc.gov.au/national-plan-transition-australias-national-covid-response Notice how NSW attempted to transition to phase B before hitting the 70% target? It hosed them, now he's pushing for other states to make the same mistake (transition early) via the media. Edit: for extra fun read the Doherty report and see how hosed it predicts we will be if we follow the national plan. Hint: very hosed. yoloer420 fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Sep 27, 2021 |
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Animal Friend posted:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2021/sep/27/australian-bird-of-the-year-2021-vote-now-for-your-favourite Oh, the silver gull is fine but no turbo chook. Go gently caress yourself Australia.
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Box of Bunnies posted:This is because the atagi advice re the clot juice was "okay, yeah, get it anyway if you're in a hot spot" and most of regional nsw hasn't been a hot spot for the duration of Sydney's meltdown even in the month we joined in on the lockdown fun so the pfizer opening for younger age groups at the end of August was the first time it was really in advice for most of us to actually start getting jabbed If regional nsw didn’t want to die from leterriperitus they should have listened to the health advice of a bunch of forum posters rather than ATAGI imo
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Solemn Sloth posted:If regional nsw didn’t want to die from leterriperitus they should have listened to the health advice of a bunch of forum posters rather than ATAGI imo Funny how that's actually true. quote:The 70% and 80% are very much political targets rather than healthcare ones. It is good to see NSW trying to keep the momentum going and aiming for 90+. Some areas - like Camden (98.8% first dose holy poo poo) are just amazing. I just didnt think that kind of rate was possible - and noted that's the kind of levels that specialists been saying is needed to reach some sort of herd immunity with Delta. Glad to see NSW by and large surprising us all Byron Bay predictably OTOH is noticably worse than anywhere else. loving antivaxxer hellhole, wall it off from Australia.
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Phigs posted:I'd like to see n95s for retail and hospitality workers Nerdlinger mask chat has finally come to Australia
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birdstrike posted:relatedly here is a tip to make your Twitter feed readable for the next month: "bird" "strike"
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hambeet posted:"bird" "strike" “word” “cloud”
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freebooter posted:Nerdlinger mask chat has finally come to Australia Alright fine. P2 masks.
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Most of the let it rip people I see online are convinced the day NSW hits 80% will be a Boris style freedom day where everyone else finally joins them in ignoring covid restrictions. They're starting to talk about how a high court challenge will succeed at reopening state borders when each state reaches 80% because the court will have to honour section 92 of the constitution as soon as covid is no longer an immediate threat. If that fails plan B seems to be for Scomo to flood Brisbane and Perth airports with returned overseas citizens until the covid zero state premiers buckle and let them (and covid) in.
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Is anyone else worried that Morrison keeps saying that the National Plan calls for borders to open at 80% vaxxed, when it doesn't? When he was there. When there are dozens of people to say 'we didn't say that' and a paper document to refute his claims. A simple read is that this is a political motivation, he's trying to look good, or wants Labor states to poo poo the bed - whatever it is. But isn't it also possible that Morrison is a total loving dunce? There's a lot of evidence for it. He's pretty much left or been pushed out of every job he's ever had before his contract was up and the project turned out to be a massive poo poo the bedfest. The PM of Australia is a literal moron. He's got brainworms. He's not playing at strategy to win the next election, he actually is just a dumb rear end. He doesn't have motivations, he just does stuff. He's an ant infected with the cordyceps fungus, he appears alive but it's just nerves firing off inside of a long dead corpse. The man makes deals for submarines with the UK and US whilst, same day, assuring France that everything is hunky dory. If he were in a position he could be fired from, that would have done it. I have taught students whose IQs were so low they had paperwork labelling them medically retarded (hadn't been updated to Intellectual Disability yet) and they had been grasps of their immediate surroundings that the PM does. At least President Trump was driven by greed and self love, what drives Morrison? What makes Morrison work? It's a total mystery, is it a moth flapping around inside of an empty cavity? What will he do next? Who knows! Roll some loving dice. 1d10, land on an 8. Morrison threatens Indonesian sovereignty over Bali because Aussies think of it as a second home. Roll a 6? He expels all New Zealanders. Roll a 4? He goes on holiday again.
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Konomex posted:Is anyone else worried that Morrison keeps saying that the National Plan calls for borders to open at 80% vaxxed, when it doesn't? When he was there. When there are dozens of people to say 'we didn't say that' and a paper document to refute his claims. I think the election is gonna be as late as possible and it's all posturing to try and make him look like the PM who brought Australia back together. Let's say all the states hit 80% by the end of the year, but WA and some others don't freely open their borders because it would likely mean introducing more local restrictions. Morrison will at that point be hitting them still with the "time to open up" calls. They will eventually, once they determine it's safe to, as they always would have, but this way it will be spun as them finally giving into Morrison. It will work as well. Edit: on the submarines it seems like a slam dunk for Labor to campaign on a royal commission into the whole thing, considering it was the Coalition government that rushed the deal through with France in the first place.
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Konomex posted:Is anyone else worried that Morrison keeps saying that the National Plan calls for borders to open at 80% vaxxed, when it doesn't? When he was there. When there are dozens of people to say 'we didn't say that' and a paper document to refute his claims. Watch Australia re-elect him.
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Front of house hospo staff are still required to wear masks after 1 December. Until then, masks are mandatory in all indoor settings and hospitality workers are also required to wear them outside. Masks will still be mandatory on public transport, on airlines and in airports. The real wildcard is what businesses will require themselves. Will people be happy to patronise businesses which adopt a "no jab, no entry" policy? On the Scomo front, Gladys is positioning herself to be the one who brought back Christmas and it's hilarious. Scotty being out of the country at the moment is a huge mis-step and every single premier should take advantage of it. freebooter posted:Nerdlinger mask chat has finally come to Australia I ordered a heap of N95s and KF94s a few weeks ago because I intend to be masking for the foreseeable future.
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Konomex posted:A simple read is that this is a political motivation, he's trying to look good, or wants Labor states to poo poo the bed - whatever it is. But isn't it also possible that Morrison is a total loving dunce? There's a lot of evidence for it. He's pretty much left or been pushed out of every job he's ever had before his contract was up and the project turned out to be a massive poo poo the bedfest. If it helps, consider that Morrison no vision for Australia. The objective is simply to be in charge - he's the dog that caught the bus and now has no idea what to do with it. He'll weathervane to whatever he thinks keeps him in C1. Like it or loathe it, previous PMs have at least had some objective for the country and saw being in power as being key to achieving that goal (Abbott was probably closest to power for power's sake).
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Capt.Whorebags posted:If it helps, consider that Morrison no vision for Australia. The objective is simply to be in charge - he's the dog that caught the bus and now has no idea what to do with it. He'll weathervane to whatever he thinks keeps him in C1. He literally believes that him being PM is God's will. I guess he's waiting for a divine revelation about the future direction of Australia (beyond making international enemies).
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Abbotts first budget was a very clear plan for the country compared to anything Morrison or Turnbull did, it was just a terrible plan that everyone hated.
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Lolie posted:He literally believes that him being PM is God's will. I guess he's waiting for a divine revelation about the future direction of Australia (beyond making international enemies). Remember pre-Covid when the big thing his government was going to do was RELIGIOUS FREEDOM to discriminate.
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Centusin posted:Abbotts first budget was a very clear plan for the country compared to anything Morrison or Turnbull did, it was just a terrible plan that everyone hated. The Abbott/Hockey 2014 budget, that was mostly never legislated, was a largely reactive piece to unwind the Labor years and turn the dial to austerity (for plebs, largesse for corporations still allowed). That and making Australia a Jesuit Theocracy.
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can we make I Am Australian the national anthem already
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ungulateman posted:can we make I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQO1qZD5lek
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ungulateman posted:can we make Whatareya the national anthem already
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ungulateman posted:can we make I Am Australian the national anthem already I'm kind of partial to Eric Bogle's Shelter. https://genius.com/Eric-bogle-shelter-lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdIPcsLABU
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Eediot Jedi posted:No, because we can't show weakness in front of the okay we’ll go with this then https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9xEmnTuaJ6I
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birdstrike posted:okay we’ll go with this then Agreed. God drat that is so much older than I thought.
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Scott Morrison is too outlandishly incompetent to change the status quo in a meaningful way for a majority of Australians and a lot of people find that appealing Further, the media makes sure that the abhorrent stuff that IS happening under his leadership is either buried or in many cases, applauded. I don't see any way out of this until Australia becomes the world's abandoned mining town. you can listen to question time or watch stuff on YouTube and see Labor leaders relentlessly dumpstering the liberal party but none of it makes the news so the average person doesn't care.
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Lolie posted:He literally believes that him being PM is God's will. I guess he's waiting for a divine revelation about the future direction of Australia (beyond making international enemies). Yeah, I can see that. But most people believe that God chose them to do something. George Bush thought he had a divine will to lead the country to some end goal. Morrison thinks God picked him to be PM and now he's just making GBS threads the bed and sucking his filthy thumbs. I think if you put a potato sack on his head he'd be stuck inside of it until someone kindly lifted it off out of embarrasment.
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That we can attack our current Prime Minister with "at least Tony Abbott was a moronic, evil cretin with a goal" is just fabulous. Australian politics is great.
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abigserve posted:Scott Morrison is too outlandishly incompetent to change the status quo in a meaningful way for a majority of Australians and a lot of people find that appealing I've lived in Australia for 5 years now. So most of it with Morrison as PM. I've been consistently impressed, even before Covid at how little he/his party have actually done. I remember discussing it with a Danish friend who also lives here and we were just....seriously, they haven't actually "done" anything. What was their purpose for getting into power? Possibly there isn't one, literally the dog catches car scenario. Or more likely I just never hear about what they're actually doing i.e grifting and doing favours for their mates. They're so reactive, I never see them announce anything that isn't in response to some other thing. Everything they do is through the lens of "how will this look in this weeks papers?"
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