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Grognan posted:Same with the house of reps since the eighteenth century Yeah no poo poo. The senate is fixed by the number of states, the house by the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 which was intended to do what it's doing, prevent electoral power from continuing to shift more toward cities.
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The EC will change when the winner needs it to. The winner will never need the EC to change.
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Third World Reggin posted:The EC will change when the winner needs it to. But but why do Nebraskans get to decide anything?????
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Never Forget https://medium.com/rx3-magazine/its-not-okay-to-hate-hillary-clinton-26774ef5d672#.vl2ntfyxc
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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lol if you never thought this was a civil war i'm glad i started organizing days after the election because these fuckers are going to fight tooth and nail if you want to join the fight against the neoliberals and crush this fascist after we purge this party report for duty: http://www.glyphgryph.com/index.html
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Zikan posted:lol if you never thought this was a civil war It's a civil war inside of a civil war inside of a civil war. what remains of the old establishment is squabbling with itself in the ruins of the HRC campaign.
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Venom Snake posted:I think the dems hosed themselves into this situation by ignoring every dissenting voice This tells me that things won't change, because so far there hasn't been any analysis of why everyone was so (trying to be diplomatic here) overconfident and dismissive. In fact, a lot of people are still trying to say that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. There are a lot of plans itt about what to do next, but if you don't have a solution to the blinding groupthink or any idea of how to do a better job of taking in and responding to new information - especially information that comes from outside the rather comfortable bubble where party stalwarts live - then the same thing will keep happening. As others have pointed out, the campaign team simply assumed that all of Obama's voters would show up for Hillary because... gently caress, I don't know. I don't think it even occurred to anyone to question it. This run failed on just about every metric - policy, branding, PR, data, community outreach, GOTV, you name it - and everyone was going on and on about what a slam dunk it was going to be until the states were being called.
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I unironically think the Dipshit Hillary campaign thought Obama was elected purely on the novelty of electing a black man for the first time, and they thought they could do the same thing with a woman
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Venom Snake posted:It's a civil war inside of a civil war inside of a civil war. what remains of the old establishment is squabbling with itself in the ruins of the HRC campaign. I read this in David Hayter's voice and it sounded like actual MGS dialogue.
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Gringostar posted:full stop Most tech companies are liberal riiiiiiiiiiight up to the point where unions are involved. Then NOPE, NO UNION FOR YOU! ENJOY YOUR 80 HOUR WORKWEEKS AND THE PRIDE OF WORKING FOR A COMPANY LIKE AMAZON! (oh, and it's not unique to tech companies too. It's well documented that retail and restaurants like to use salary based employees as "free overtime", something which Obama squashed this year for people making under around 48k. Watch Trump reverse that one  )
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since it appears that I'm gonna be super involved in the upcoming DNC civil war I really need a master miller avatar
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Grognan posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Apportionment_Amendment God imagine how much of a clusterfuck a house of almost 7000 reps would be. 435 is way the gently caress too small, though. Even the UK has 650. 800-1000 would probably be doable. And with that many it wouldn't be such a big deal if some of them actually visited their home districts more often than 'every two years, to campaign' Any reapportionment would have the result of shifting even more political power to cities at the expense of the rural areas, but the current situation isn't great either. This isn't really what this thread is for though. Gringostar posted:until intel, google, apple, and all the silicone valley companies unionize their workforce democrats should be eating poo poo sandwiches when it comes to congress and the EC since until that happens no "flyover state" should take the democrats seriously when their major donor class can't be asked to actually be liberal outside of identity politics poo poo 
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hailthefish posted:God imagine how much of a clusterfuck a house of almost 7000 reps would be. 435 is way the gently caress too small, though. Even the UK has 650. Galactic Senate size or bust, let's go full Star Wars prequels.
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zen death robot posted:It's gone too far though. The population in 1929 was 121 million. It's more than doubled since then. According to census.gov, the urban/rural split in 1930 was 56.1% to 43.9% In 2010 that split is 80.7% versus 19.3%. That's a pretty strong argument in favor of moving voting power toward urban areas although given the realities of most cities' urban cores versus their suburbs and the current REP/DEM split in state legislatures, the GOP would gain massively from expansion of congressional districts.
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I think it's ok if the Republicans benefit from things the government does as long as it also benefits the proletariat
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iospace posted:Most tech companies are liberal riiiiiiiiiiight up to the point where unions are involved. Then NOPE, NO UNION FOR YOU! ENJOY YOUR 80 HOUR WORKWEEKS AND THE PRIDE OF WORKING FOR A COMPANY LIKE AMAZON! Techies themselves also tend to be anti-unionization.
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Having more seats would make them even more likely to surprise seat challenged which is a big reason the GOP is as internally divided as it is
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Oh Snapple! posted:Is this why Willa got ran out of D&D because lol yea. evilweasel in particular got/gets really really pissy when willa posted that the ACA is flawed in all the ways the ACA is evidently flawed in ways that now even a dipshit D&D poster has to acknowledge now that you either have lovely insurance or pay a lovely premium and it degenerated after that. "petulant" was the phrase i think 
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enraged_camel posted:Techies themselves also tend to be anti-unionization. Which is loving dumb. Companies easily abuse them for free labor. If someone is making under 48k a year, they can qualify for OT, even on salary (well, it may go back down to 25k, who the gently caress knows). They know it, but for some odd reason they never organize to try to get OT pay.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjGggCw1VoA Man who said some things that are right
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iospace posted:Which is loving dumb. Companies easily abuse them for free labor. If someone is making under 48k a year, they can qualify for OT, even on salary (well, it may go back down to 25k, who the gently caress knows). They know it, but for some odd reason they never organize to try to get OT pay. You know when people say liberals should stop smugly talking about how working class Americans keep voting against their own self-interest Whenever someone says that you should point to techbros and their worship of crunch hours Also the legal industry too is a great example of that poo poo
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Larry Parrish posted:I think it's ok if the Republicans benefit from things the government does as long as it also benefits the proletariat I'm not convinced that it would help anyone, though at 2 in the morning I'm hardly up for combing census.gov for evidence. I guess it depends on whether you genuinely believe a congressional representative has done anything for a constituent ever as opposed to working only for the party, for his corporate masters, or his reelection. I do not have that kind of optimism left in my soul. From what I've read, all congressmen do now is follow the party line and make fundraising calls to large donors (though the fact that they all have to work massive phone banks where aides literally do everything to them that kids in call centers around the country have to endure cracks me up. "Congressman Smith, you've been on that phone two minutes, get the donation or move on!!!"). I don't see how more representatives helps anything other than diminish every representative's ability to do anything without party support and increase the cost of entry for corporations buying influence.
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iospace posted:Which is loving dumb. Companies easily abuse them for free labor. If someone is making under 48k a year, they can qualify for OT, even on salary (well, it may go back down to 25k, who the gently caress knows). They know it, but for some odd reason they never organize to try to get OT pay. it goes beyond that since IIRC there was a huge case a while ago of the big tech companies conspiring together to underpay programmers that programmers still think unionization was dumb after that can only mean that programmers are dumb while continuing to insist they aren't
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programmers are the perfect neoliberals and silicon valley's embrace of hrc should erase all doubt of it. also Facebook's refusal to acknowledge that they are the prime radicalization tool for fascism and racism as well
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And to be fair to the programmers, it's not an unreasonable fear that talking about unionization will lead to their jobs getting offshored right out from under them.
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MJ12 posted:You know when people say liberals should stop smugly talking about how working class Americans keep voting against their own self-interest Honestly, I think most, if not all, industries who use pay salary expect OT at this point.
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Zikan posted:programmers are the perfect neoliberals and silicon valley's embrace of hrc should erase all doubt of it. Eh, if FB goes back to human filtering instead of simply the algorithm for trending, it'll help, but until then they've pretty much given up. Twitter and Reddit, on the other hand are much bigger offenders.
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hailthefish posted:And to be fair to the programmers, it's not an unreasonable fear that talking about unionization will lead to their jobs getting offshored right out from under them. It's a threat to any unionization effort except in maybe retail and restaurants. e: ed "triple post" balls
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Zikan posted:programmers are the perfect neoliberals and silicon valley's embrace of hrc should erase all doubt of it. can we have "programmer" auto-changed to "fart sniffer" ZDR? also gently caress facebook on general principals, but gently caress them for that to
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hailthefish posted:And to be fair to the programmers, it's not an unreasonable fear that talking about unionization will lead to their jobs getting offshored right out from under them. Pretty much, I mean not that there aren't plenty of diehard techno-libertarians but the more common reason is that they don't want to be replaced by an office of H1Bs Normie Chomsky has issued a correction as of 08:21 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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hailthefish posted:And to be fair to the programmers, it's not an unreasonable fear that talking about unionization will lead to their jobs getting offshored right out from under them. this is every single job that isn't rooted in a physical space efb
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Humidora posted:Pretty much, I mean not that there aren't plenty of diehard techno-libertarians but the more common reason is that they don't want to be replaced by an office of H1Bs another source of economically-driven xenophobia that made Trump potentially appealing~
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Willie Tomg posted:yea. evilweasel in particular got/gets really really pissy when willa posted that the ACA is flawed in all the ways the ACA is evidently flawed in ways that now even a dipshit D&D poster has to acknowledge now that you either have lovely insurance or pay a lovely premium and it degenerated after that. that is extremely sad
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iospace posted:Which is loving dumb. Companies easily abuse them for free labor. If someone is making under 48k a year, they can qualify for OT, even on salary (well, it may go back down to 25k, who the gently caress knows). They know it, but for some odd reason they never organize to try to get OT pay. Most programmers make well above $48k, so those provisions likely don't apply to them. Gringostar posted:it goes beyond that since IIRC there was a huge case a while ago of the big tech companies conspiring together to underpay programmers The collusion was between the three big software companies in Silicon Valley. Programmers who work for those companies make up a very small percentage of programmers as a whole. And even though there was collusion, let's get real here: we're still talking about salaries that are comfortably in the six-figure range. Think $150k and up. So yeah, even if a programmer got demonstrably hosed over by it, that is still a very long shot from making them want to unionize.
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Tech workers have little incentive to unionize because at best, they'll see better working conditions, but at a big risk of losing the ability to individually negotiate salary raises (and jumping to other companies to further leverage themselves which is what currently happens). If it fails, they get quickly replaced and become persona non grata at the other nearby companies
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Gringostar posted:full stop Tech sector employees are so spineless that's rather do unpaid overtime than unionize
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hailthefish posted:God imagine how much of a clusterfuck a house of almost 7000 reps would be. 435 is way the gently caress too small, though. Even the UK has 650. 800-1000 would probably be doable. china even caps their farcical legislature at 3000
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LastInLine posted:I'm not convinced that it would help anyone, though at 2 in the morning I'm hardly up for combing census.gov for evidence. While all congress is poo poo hail Satan, I think this is an overly pessimistic view of congress people. A lot of them are empty suits, but a good deal of them actually care but are just as crushed by the system as we are, albeit much higher up the totem pole. I would wager a lot of them do actually listen to their constituents, but between the current political climate of do nothing ever plus the blanket ban on pork of all kinds it's really goddamn hard to do anything.
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